Freedman out!

[Enoch]

But then, looking at the thread title...

And don't they go on!

[coffeymagic]

I like how he has a 'reputation' for 'developing young players' (plural) but when journalists run through those young players they always stop at Wilfred Zaha.

So he got lucky once with a player who is very capable of being a big fish in a small pond but struggled when he became an average fish in a massive pond infected with fin rot.

I don't think the metaphor stretches.

Anyway.

[Andy Waller]

where did Kevin Nolan, Joey O'Brien and Nicky Hunt come from?

Not very good looking parents is my bet.

[Lord Kangana]

I can't believe this is rumbling on, considering how it is so self-evidently groundless bollox.

He's just lifted his own mantra, and that of his experience at QPR (the article's on here about 3 days ago), and plonked it verbatim in an article about his circumstances now. Its classic sociopathic behaviour, tell them anything to get you off, but make it sound remotely plausible. Its becoming clearer as to how he got this job with every further utterance from his gob.

[BWFC_Insane]

I can't believe this is rumbling on, considering how it is so self-evidently groundless bollox.

He's just lifted his own mantra, and that of his experience at QPR (the article's on here about 3 days ago), and plonked it verbatim in an article about his circumstances now. Its classic sociopathic behaviour, tell them anything to get you off, but make it sound remotely plausible. Its becoming clearer as to how he got this job with every further utterance from his gob.

I know, I mean I can't believe a manager is making excuses. Nor that people are on here agreeing with some of those excuses. It is simply a disgrace and behaviour I know that you would never associate yourself with.

[Il Pirate]

I can't believe this is rumbling on, considering how it is so self-evidently groundless bollox.

He's just lifted his own mantra, and that of his experience at QPR (the article's on here about 3 days ago), and plonked it verbatim in an article about his circumstances now. Its classic sociopathic behaviour, tell them anything to get you off, but make it sound remotely plausible. Its becoming clearer as to how he got this job with every further utterance from his gob.

I know, I mean I can't believe a manager is making excuses. Nor that people are on here agreeing with some of those excuses. It is simply a disgrace and behaviour I know that you would never associate yourself with.

I spent my career dealing with reasons, not excuses. Excuses are nothing but a lie or smokescreen to draw attention away from the real problem. The reason we are where we are in the league is because our manager is shit. Bin him.

[Lord Kangana]

I can't believe this is rumbling on, considering how it is so self-evidently groundless bollox.

He's just lifted his own mantra, and that of his experience at QPR (the article's on here about 3 days ago), and plonked it verbatim in an article about his circumstances now. Its classic sociopathic behaviour, tell them anything to get you off, but make it sound remotely plausible. Its becoming clearer as to how he got this job with every further utterance from his gob.

I know, I mean I can't believe a manager is making excuses. Nor that people are on here agreeing with some of those excuses. It is simply a disgrace and behaviour I know that you would never associate yourself with.

I can only imagine you'll be referring to him as c*nt Dougie very soon then. I won't be, but I'm sure you're looking for consistency.

[BWFC_Insane]

I can't believe this is rumbling on, considering how it is so self-evidently groundless bollox.

He's just lifted his own mantra, and that of his experience at QPR (the article's on here about 3 days ago), and plonked it verbatim in an article about his circumstances now. Its classic sociopathic behaviour, tell them anything to get you off, but make it sound remotely plausible. Its becoming clearer as to how he got this job with every further utterance from his gob.

I know, I mean I can't believe a manager is making excuses. Nor that people are on here agreeing with some of those excuses. It is simply a disgrace and behaviour I know that you would never associate yourself with.

I can only imagine you'll be referring to him as c*nt Dougie very soon then. I won't be, but I'm sure you're looking for consistency.

I'll wait till we're twenty league places lower than we were when he took over.

[Lord Kangana]

Nice to see you've picked up the chief balloon's mantra.

[bobo the clown]

↑↑↑ Shouldn't be too long, at his rate of progress.

[BWFC_Insane]

Nice to see you've picked up the chief balloon's mantra.

Its fine though, because you can point out to me we can't expect anymore when he's having to work to a budget a fraction of that his predecessor had etc.....

[Lord Kangana]

Good to see you've finally woken up to it.

[coffeymagic]

Probably the worst thing ever to happen in football management was Alex Ferguson squeezing through 'that game'.

Since then pundits, bell ends on 606 and managers themselves have spewed out the line that 'Alex Ferguson was ONLY ONE GAME AWAY FROM THE SACK YOU KNOW.'

Well he might have possibly been but he was also in charge of the richest club in the world who went out and smashed the transfer fee records again and again and again.

Remember when people nearly fainted when he paid £2m of Gary Pallister? A full back? £2m? What has happened to the game?

Moyes, now, again only 2 games from the sack has just spent £40m on a roll of the dice on a player who didn't fit in at his previous club. He's got a black hole of debt underneath him but as long as Koreans and Irish keep flooding through the Mega Store he's got the carte blanche to spend spend spend and get praise from that nice person hansen on the MotD sofa who'll keep telling everyone 'Moysie's a great manager.'

If Ferguson had have got the heave-ho after defeat to Forest then we wouldn't have known any different and managers like Freedman, Coyle, Megson, Jewell, Warnock and the rest of the 18month brigade wouldn't get as long to make a complete balls up as fans and Chairman alike sit fingers crossed that they've got the next Sir Purple Face on their hands.

These chancers can now eek out an extra 6months on top of their usual shelf life thanks to one man, once.

I knew I hated that c*nt for a reason.

[BWFC_Insane]

Probably the worst thing ever to happen in football management was Alex Ferguson squeezing through 'that game'.

Since then pundits, bell ends on 606 and managers themselves have spewed out the line that 'Alex Ferguson was ONLY ONE GAME AWAY FROM THE SACK YOU KNOW.'

Well he might have possibly been but he was also in charge of the richest club in the world who went out and smashed the transfer fee records again and again and again.

Remember when people nearly fainted when he paid £2m of Gary Pallister? A full back? £2m? What has happened to the game?

Moyes, now, again only 2 games from the sack has just spent £40m on a roll of the dice on a player who didn't fit in at his previous club. He's got a black hole of debt underneath him but as long as Koreans and Irish keep flooding through the Mega Store he's got the carte blanche to spend spend spend and get praise from that tw*t hansen on the MotD sofa who'll keep telling everyone 'Moysie's a great manager.'

If Ferguson had have got the heave-ho after defeat to Forest then we wouldn't have known any different and managers like Freedman, Coyle, Megson, Jewell, Warnock and the rest of the 18month brigade wouldn't get as long to make a complete balls up as fans and Chairman alike sit fingers crossed that they've got the next Sir Purple Face on their hands.

These chancers can now eek out an extra 6months on top of their usual shelf life thanks to one man, once.

I knew I hated that c*nt for a reason.

Yeah because sacking managers every 10 minutes is clearly far more progressive and a better way?

A few weeks ago West Ham fans were clamouring for Allardyce to be sacked. Since then they've had a couple of decent results and their position has improved.

Christ for a few years many Arsenal fans have questioned Wenger. Most people questioned Wenger, me included. They are now top of the league.

There is no one exact rule. Sometimes even when things seem beyond bad sticking with a manager pays off. Sometimes binning a manager off when they're seemingly doing ok pays off. Sometimes neither does. But football is so short minded, so in the "moment" now it is like most of its followers need to take ADHD medicine or something.

And I'm speaking generally here, not specifically. Not about any one club or situation.

[LeverEnd]

Look at what Ferguson Sam and Wenger, to use the examples on this page, had done in the past. They have earned the patience of chairmen. Look at what Freedman has done, not much. Not his fault as it's early days in his career, but when you take a punt on a novice you need to be prepared to act quickly if he's f##king up, which he is.

[BWFC_Insane]

Look at what Ferguson Sam and Wenger, to use the examples on this page, had done in the past. They have earned the patience of chairmen. Look at what Freedman has done, not much. Not his fault as it's early days in his career, but when you take a punt on a novice you need to be prepared to act quickly if he's f##king up, which he is.

Alternatively if as a Chairman you are confident you made the right choice (and you fecking well should be), and the reasons for the choice still stand, have the courage of your convictions to see it through.....

[Harry Genshaw]

Look at what Ferguson Sam and Wenger, to use the examples on this page, had done in the past. They have earned the patience of chairmen. Look at what Freedman has done, not much. Not his fault as it's early days in his career, but when you take a punt on a novice you need to be prepared to act quickly if he's f##king up, which he is.

Alternatively if as a Chairman you are confident you made the right choice (and you fecking well should be), and the reasons for the choice still stand, have the courage of your convictions to see it through.....

Which he didn't do with Sammy Lee. Which suggests he knows he's fecked up again but cant act as that would be an admission he did feck up. If he buries his head in the sand there's always that teeny tiny possibility it will all come good (which it wont)

[Hoboh]

Can we have him?

He may or may not be a tactical genius but he certainly knows what he is doing. After losing to Sunderland in the Capital One Cup he said that they weren't scoring enough goals to play expansively so he would shut up shop and win 1-0 or 2-0. Since then Chelsea have conceded two goals in ten games.

Knowing what you arre doing clearly works,

Freedman dosn't!

[LeverEnd]

Look at what Ferguson Sam and Wenger, to use the examples on this page, had done in the past. They have earned the patience of chairmen. Look at what Freedman has done, not much. Not his fault as it's early days in his career, but when you take a punt on a novice you need to be prepared to act quickly if he's f##king up, which he is.

Alternatively if as a Chairman you are confident you made the right choice (and you fecking well should be), and the reasons for the choice still stand, have the courage of your convictions to see it through.....

Which he didn't do with Sammy Lee. Which suggests he knows he's fecked up again but cant act as that would be an admission he did feck up. If he buries his head in the sand there's always that teeny tiny possibility it will all come good (which it wont)

He'll also be thinking that Freedman would be one cock-up too many on his part. His position should be untenable if Freedman has to be sacked which is why I think he'll cling to him not through the courage of his convictions, but naked self-interest.

[Prufrock]

On the developing players thing. He was at Palace a bit longer than he has been here. So either he gets credit for doing it at Palace, and criticism for not here, or he wasn't there long enough to get credit there and so can't be criticised for not doing it here in less time. You can't have it both ways.

On Pogba, yeah not good enough for United's central midfield but walked into the team at Juve. To say everyone wants to develop young players doesn't take it anywhere because - well, of course they do! Good players for free!