Freedman out!

[StaffsTrotter]

Isn't it about time an FA board was set up so that teams can go to arbitration on the grounds the manager is inept and a danger to the club. Then he could be fired without compensation. It's the only one sided contract I know. On the other hand, BWFC need to be given a bollocking for hiring the twunk in the first place. Swallow pride and get BSA back.

Oh good god, might as well just demand the club appoint Mourinho.

We have no money. Eddie has had enough.

We are not getting a manager out of another club.

We aren't getting managers from the premiership.

We aren't getting any manager who wants paying anything like proper money.

We aren't getting a manager who expects money to buy players.

There is zero, nay less than zero chance of Allardyce coming back, and it has nowt to do with swallowing pride.

As fans we are in for a long slog. Better to accept it and dig in that be expecting a miracle that has long past us.

agree with you about BSA - at his age and position why would he. As to all the other stuff, I just don't accept freedman has been hard done by. His inability to make the most of what he had, has led to the tightening of his options

[Worthy4England]

Isn't it about time an FA board was set up so that teams can go to arbitration on the grounds the manager is inept and a danger to the club. Then he could be fired without compensation. It's the only one sided contract I know. On the other hand, BWFC need to be given a bollocking for hiring the twunk in the first place. Swallow pride and get BSA back.

Oh good god, might as well just demand the club appoint Mourinho.

We have no money. Eddie has had enough.

We are not getting a manager out of another club.

We aren't getting managers from the premiership.

We aren't getting any manager who wants paying anything like proper money.

We aren't getting a manager who expects money to buy players.

There is zero, nay less than zero chance of Allardyce coming back, and it has nowt to do with swallowing pride.

As fans we are in for a long slog. Better to accept it and dig in that be expecting a miracle that has long past us.

Do you think he should be sacked?

Yeah. Allardyce out!

[BWFC_Insane]

Isn't it about time an FA board was set up so that teams can go to arbitration on the grounds the manager is inept and a danger to the club. Then he could be fired without compensation. It's the only one sided contract I know. On the other hand, BWFC need to be given a bollocking for hiring the twunk in the first place. Swallow pride and get BSA back.

Oh good god, might as well just demand the club appoint Mourinho.

We have no money. Eddie has had enough.

We are not getting a manager out of another club.

We aren't getting managers from the premiership.

We aren't getting any manager who wants paying anything like proper money.

We aren't getting a manager who expects money to buy players.

There is zero, nay less than zero chance of Allardyce coming back, and it has nowt to do with swallowing pride.

As fans we are in for a long slog. Better to accept it and dig in that be expecting a miracle that has long past us.

agree with you about BSA - at his age and position why would he. As to all the other stuff, I just don't accept freedman has been hard done by. His inability to make the most of what he had, has led to the tightening of his options

I don't think anywhere in that post did I mean Freedman has been hard done by.

I just outlined the situation as to where we are.

In short damned if we do, damned if we don't.

It isn't going to be pretty. Been here before like....

[enrdentw]

Millwall boss Ian Holloway:
"I'm deadly serious when I say you would be bored senseless watching that kind of performance from them (Bolton). If that's how you set out to play when people pay a lot of money to watch I'd be bored senseless.
"The penalty save gave us the lift we needed. We got a couple of things wrong today when we overplayed a bit but the fans were brilliant and didn't get on our backs.
"They had one cross, one diving header and it went in off the post. And then they got a penalty.
"But it was a massive save. Everything is massive for us at this point.
"We're getting fitter and more confident. It's all about scrapping but we scrapped with style today."

[truewhite15]

Isn't it about time an FA board was set up so that teams can go to arbitration on the grounds the manager is inept and a danger to the club. Then he could be fired without compensation. It's the only one sided contract I know. On the other hand, BWFC need to be given a bollocking for hiring the twunk in the first place. Swallow pride and get BSA back.

Oh good god, might as well just demand the club appoint Mourinho.

We have no money. Eddie has had enough.

We are not getting a manager out of another club.

We aren't getting managers from the premiership.

We aren't getting any manager who wants paying anything like proper money.

We aren't getting a manager who expects money to buy players.

There is zero, nay less than zero chance of Allardyce coming back, and it has nowt to do with swallowing pride.

As fans we are in for a long slog. Better to accept it and dig in that be expecting a miracle that has long past us.

Close personal friend, are you?

[StaffsTrotter]

Isn't it about time an FA board was set up so that teams can go to arbitration on the grounds the manager is inept and a danger to the club. Then he could be fired without compensation. It's the only one sided contract I know. On the other hand, BWFC need to be given a bollocking for hiring the twunk in the first place. Swallow pride and get BSA back.

Oh good god, might as well just demand the club appoint Mourinho.

We have no money. Eddie has had enough.

We are not getting a manager out of another club.

We aren't getting managers from the premiership.

We aren't getting any manager who wants paying anything like proper money.

We aren't getting a manager who expects money to buy players.

There is zero, nay less than zero chance of Allardyce coming back, and it has nowt to do with swallowing pride.

As fans we are in for a long slog. Better to accept it and dig in that be expecting a miracle that has long past us.

agree with you about BSA - at his age and position why would he. As to all the other stuff, I just don't accept freedman has been hard done by. His inability to make the most of what he had, has led to the tightening of his options

I don't think anywhere in that post did I mean Freedman has been hard done by.

I just outlined the situation as to where we are.

In short damned if we do, damned if we don't.

It isn't going to be pretty. Been here before like....

ok. do you think where we are, is where we should be with the resources at our disposal ? and if not why would someone else not make a better job of it ?

[Il Pirate]

Dougie is a c*nt. He's made me not care anymore. If Megson did anything, he made me do the opposite of that.

[SmokinFrazier]

Isn't it about time an FA board was set up so that teams can go to arbitration on the grounds the manager is inept and a danger to the club. Then he could be fired without compensation. It's the only one sided contract I know. On the other hand, BWFC need to be given a bollocking for hiring the twunk in the first place. Swallow pride and get BSA back.

Oh good god, might as well just demand the club appoint Mourinho.

We have no money. Eddie has had enough.

We are not getting a manager out of another club.

We aren't getting managers from the premiership.

We aren't getting any manager who wants paying anything like proper money.

We aren't getting a manager who expects money to buy players.

There is zero, nay less than zero chance of Allardyce coming back, and it has nowt to do with swallowing pride.

As fans we are in for a long slog. Better to accept it and dig in that be expecting a miracle that has long past us.

Even if you were right with those assumptions that are plucked out of thin air, it still wouldn't excuse Freedman in any way. He's a useless tactician and his man management skills are equally terrible.

The fact is, we have a good squad capable of much more. We don't need a saviour but what about a Uwe Rosler? Someone like that, who is capable of getting the most out of the players which Freedman clearly isn't. You.mention lack of funds but we don't need anyone to come in and spend £30m on players, we need a manager who knows what he's doing with our talented squad.

Freedman is worse than Megson, worse than Coyle and is severely damaging the club, yet you continue to bury your head in the sand and defend him.

[jaffka]

Duggie's biggest achievement is getting rid of N'dogshit, which tells you how shit Duggie is.

[Prufrock]

He's not worse than Coyle.

[BWFC_Insane]

Isn't it about time an FA board was set up so that teams can go to arbitration on the grounds the manager is inept and a danger to the club. Then he could be fired without compensation. It's the only one sided contract I know. On the other hand, BWFC need to be given a bollocking for hiring the twunk in the first place. Swallow pride and get BSA back.

Oh good god, might as well just demand the club appoint Mourinho.

We have no money. Eddie has had enough.

We are not getting a manager out of another club.

We aren't getting managers from the premiership.

We aren't getting any manager who wants paying anything like proper money.

We aren't getting a manager who expects money to buy players.

There is zero, nay less than zero chance of Allardyce coming back, and it has nowt to do with swallowing pride.

As fans we are in for a long slog. Better to accept it and dig in that be expecting a miracle that has long past us.

Even if you were right with those assumptions that are plucked out of thin air, it still wouldn't excuse Freedman in any way. He's a useless tactician and his man management skills are equally terrible.

The fact is, we have a good squad capable of much more. We don't need a saviour but what about a Uwe Rosler? Someone like that, who is capable of getting the most out of the players which Freedman clearly isn't. You.mention lack of funds but we don't need anyone to come in and spend £30m on players, we need a manager who knows what he's doing with our talented squad.

Freedman is worse than Megson, worse than Coyle and is severely damaging the club, yet you continue to bury your head in the sand and defend him.

None of that was a defense of Freedman.

The damage to this club was done upon relegation from the premiership. Since then it has been a repair job.

That was the point people buried their heads. I did say at the time should we go down we could be outside the top flight for years if not longer. You buried your head then.

The horse bolted then and the fact we haven't found someone who has been able to catch it and put it back is sad, but still the most frustrating thing is the door was left wide open for so long.

[TonyDomingos]

I'll write up something in more detail later, but that was definitely two points dropped. Wheater probably MotM for us. Davies barely in it. Eagles saw more of the ball, but did little. Get Medo & Speaaring to pass to a white and we'd have been very comfortable.

[Worthy4England]

Isn't it about time an FA board was set up so that teams can go to arbitration on the grounds the manager is inept and a danger to the club. Then he could be fired without compensation. It's the only one sided contract I know. On the other hand, BWFC need to be given a bollocking for hiring the twunk in the first place. Swallow pride and get BSA back.

Oh good god, might as well just demand the club appoint Mourinho.

We have no money. Eddie has had enough.

We are not getting a manager out of another club.

We aren't getting managers from the premiership.

We aren't getting any manager who wants paying anything like proper money.

We aren't getting a manager who expects money to buy players.

There is zero, nay less than zero chance of Allardyce coming back, and it has nowt to do with swallowing pride.

As fans we are in for a long slog. Better to accept it and dig in that be expecting a miracle that has long past us.

Even if you were right with those assumptions that are plucked out of thin air, it still wouldn't excuse Freedman in any way. He's a useless tactician and his man management skills are equally terrible.

The fact is, we have a good squad capable of much more. We don't need a saviour but what about a Uwe Rosler? Someone like that, who is capable of getting the most out of the players which Freedman clearly isn't. You.mention lack of funds but we don't need anyone to come in and spend £30m on players, we need a manager who knows what he's doing with our talented squad.

Freedman is worse than Megson, worse than Coyle and is severely damaging the club, yet you continue to bury your head in the sand and defend him.

None of that was a defense of Freedman.

The damage to this club was done upon relegation from the premiership. Since then it has been a repair job.

That was the point people buried their heads. I did say at the time should we go down we could be outside the top flight for years if not longer. You buried your head then.

The horse bolted then and the fact we haven't found someone who has been able to catch it and put it back is sad, but still the most frustrating thing is the door was left wide open for so long.

Agree with this pretty much, which is why I was so angry when they didn't flirt Coyle 12 months earlier. That said, I don't think Freedman should still be here either.

[LeverEnd]

I think you are being too much of a doom-monger BWFCi. A good, inspirational manager can work wonders in this division. It takes a bit of positivity and belief. Once we comply with FFP we will be able to compete with most in the league.
You seem to think we just have to meekly accept being rubbish for ages. I disagree.

[bwfcdan94]

I'll write up something in more detail later, but that was definitely two points dropped. Wheater probably MotM for us. Davies barely in it. Eagles saw more of the ball, but did little. Get Medo & Speaaring to pass to a white and we'd have been very comfortable.

I thought we were very poor and could have lost it keep in mind Millwall had 3 efforts cleared of the line.

[StaffsTrotter]

I think you are being too much of a doom-monger BWFCi. A good, inspirational manager can work wonders in this division. It takes a bit of positivity and belief. Once we comply with FFP we will be able to compete with most in the league.
You seem to think we just have to meekly accept being rubbish for ages. I disagree.

where I am, just pissed off we've had a dick in charge who has dug us into a position where we are scratching around trying to cadge players off lower champship clubs

[BWFC_Insane]

I think you are being too much of a doom-monger BWFCi. A good, inspirational manager can work wonders in this division. It takes a bit of positivity and belief. Once we comply with FFP we will be able to compete with most in the league.
You seem to think we just have to meekly accept being rubbish for ages. I disagree.

Compete with most? Why? Will our income not equate to a mid table championship budget at best?

[LeverEnd]

I think you are being too much of a doom-monger BWFCi. A good, inspirational manager can work wonders in this division. It takes a bit of positivity and belief. Once we comply with FFP we will be able to compete with most in the league.
You seem to think we just have to meekly accept being rubbish for ages. I disagree.

Compete with most? Why? Will our income not equate to a mid table championship budget at best?

Probably top half I'm thinking, so yes mid table. That's where the inspirational manager makes it up. I think we should keep looking for one rather than accept the failure we've got. We won't compete financially with the relegated clubs, but who's to say they won't be as screwed as we were when we came down. They have there own set of problems, they don't all do well. Look at us and Wolves and Rovers who came down with us.

[SmokinFrazier]

He's not worse than Coyle.

He obviously is. Coyle has done far more in his managerial career and is a lot better tactically. I won't expand on that too much because it'll seem like I rate Coyle, which I don't, but he's clearly a superior manager to Freedman. Coyle's career statistics are better and they're also better as Bolton manager, despite the fact we were in a tougher league for the majority of Coyle's reign.

None of that was a defense of Freedman.

The damage to this club was done upon relegation from the premiership. Since then it has been a repair job.

That was the point people buried their heads. I did say at the time should we go down we could be outside the top flight for years if not longer. You buried your head then.

The horse bolted then and the fact we haven't found someone who has been able to catch it and put it back is sad, but still the most frustrating thing is the door was left wide open for so long.

You're deflecting the criticism onto other things as a means of defending Freedman. Mentioning Eddie Davies' interest and FFP is completely besides the point and has nothing to do with Freedman's failure as a manager, yet rather than address that criticism of him properly, you always push the discussion onto another subject. Those things are irrelevant to our performances and position.

We have a talented group of players who should, at the very least, have finished in the top 8 this season. Failure to do so hasn't got the slightest thing to do with money or anything else, the failure has got to be pinned on Freedman who, time and time again, has shown himself up to be a very limited manager. You can talk about our financial issues all you want but they don't have an affect on our performances int he slightest. They aren't the reason for our awful tactics every week, the poor signings, the illogical substitutions, lack of confidence and a lack of faith within the manager. The person responsible for all that is Freedman, which is why he's failed in every area of his job.

And, no, I didn't bury my head when you said that we could be outside the top flight for years, I correctly said that it didn't need to be the case. Teams who get relegated don't have to sell every quality player they've got, go down to League One, spend 12 years rebuilding before they finally mount a challenge to get back into the Premier League. We were relegated with a side that narrowly missed out on surviving in the best league in the world, and we still have, as Dougie says, that same 'nucleus' of players. Bogdan, Eagles, Ream, Knight, Wheater, Pratley, Holden, Chungy, Davies, Vela, Mears and Riley were all part of our Premier League squad, so why can't we get a manager who has a clue how to get the most out of those players?! Why do we have to accept a turnaround period? If Owen Coyle is such a disastrous manager then why can't we appoint something slightly better than him, to get us promoted in an inferior league? We don't need to be rebuild, we need to hire a manager who can get the most out of our squad, just like Wigan have done by appointing Rosler as a successor to Coyle. Do Wigan need a lengthy period to rebuild or can they get promoted this season or the next?

For what it's worth, Wigan are 4 points off the play-offs and they've got a game in hand. Maybe someone should remind them that they need to sell all their best players and spend the next 10 years rebuilding rather than trying to go straight back up. How dare they hire a manager who knows what he's doing!

We could have got promoted last season. We could have got promoted this season. We can get promoted next year. However, that won't happen if we strip all the quality we've got and instead focus on a long term revival. That isn't necessary when you've got a group of players who can get promoted. We wouldn't have got promoted under Coyle and we won't under Freedman, because they're both atrocious managers, but how about giving the job to someone who has a clue?

The failure of our season lies solely at the feet of Freedman. He is the one responsible for the mess we're in on the pitch, nobody else.

[BWFC_Insane]

He's not worse than Coyle.

He obviously is. Coyle has done far more in his managerial career and is a lot better tactically. I won't expand on that too much because it'll seem like I rate Coyle, which I don't, but he's clearly a superior manager to Freedman. Coyle's career statistics are better and they're also better as Bolton manager, despite the fact we were in a tougher league for the majority of Coyle's reign.

None of that was a defense of Freedman.

The damage to this club was done upon relegation from the premiership. Since then it has been a repair job.

That was the point people buried their heads. I did say at the time should we go down we could be outside the top flight for years if not longer. You buried your head then.

The horse bolted then and the fact we haven't found someone who has been able to catch it and put it back is sad, but still the most frustrating thing is the door was left wide open for so long.

You're deflecting the criticism onto other things as a means of defending Freedman. Mentioning Eddie Davies' interest and FFP is completely besides the point and has nothing to do with Freedman's failure as a manager, yet rather than address that criticism of him properly, you always push the discussion onto another subject. Those things are irrelevant to our performances and position.

We have a talented group of players who should, at the very least, have finished in the top 8 this season. Failure to do so hasn't got the slightest thing to do with money or anything else, the failure has got to be pinned on Freedman who, time and time again, has shown himself up to be a very limited manager. You can talk about our financial issues all you want but they don't have an affect on our performances int he slightest. They aren't the reason for our awful tactics every week, the poor signings, the illogical substitutions, lack of confidence and a lack of faith within the manager. The person responsible for all that is Freedman, which is why he's failed in every area of his job.

And, no, I didn't bury my head when you said that we could be outside the top flight for years, I correctly said that it didn't need to be the case. Teams who get relegated don't have to sell every quality player they've got, go down to League One, spend 12 years rebuilding before they finally mount a challenge to get back into the Premier League. We were relegated with a side that narrowly missed out on surviving in the best league in the world, and we still have, as Dougie says, that same 'nucleus' of players. Bogdan, Eagles, Ream, Knight, Wheater, Pratley, Holden, Chungy, Davies, Vela, Mears and Riley were all part of our Premier League squad, so why can't we get a manager who has a clue how to get the most out of those players?! Why do we have to accept a turnaround period? If Owen Coyle is such a disastrous manager then why can't we appoint something slightly better than him, to get us promoted in an inferior league? We don't need to be rebuild, we need to hire a manager who can get the most out of our squad, just like Wigan have done by appointing Rosler as a successor to Coyle. Do Wigan need a lengthy period to rebuild or can they get promoted this season or the next?

For what it's worth, Wigan are 4 points off the play-offs and they've got a game in hand. Maybe someone should remind them that they need to sell all their best players and spend the next 10 years rebuilding rather than trying to go straight back up. How dare they hire a manager who knows what he's doing!

We could have got promoted last season. We could have got promoted this season. We can get promoted next year. However, that won't happen if we strip all the quality we've got and instead focus on a long term revival. That isn't necessary when you've got a group of players who can get promoted. We wouldn't have got promoted under Coyle and we won't under Freedman, because they're both atrocious managers, but how about giving the job to someone who has a clue?

The failure of our season lies solely at the feet of Freedman. He is the one responsible for the mess we're in on the pitch, nobody else.

Looks this is rather dull. Whoever the manager is next season they won't have the services of any of our out of contract players. Apart from possibly Stuart Holden. And the manager, whoever that is won't have any choice in the matter.

The club isn't rebuilding out of choice or some sort of masochistic streak. They are doing it because there seemingly, isn't any other choice.

Keep banging the good manager drum if you like. That was needed in November 2011, when this whole mess could have been prevented. But funnily enough only some on here could see that and you weren't one of them.......