By Eck- T' Huddersfield Match Thread

[Tombwfc]

Bolton:

2012/13 games 31 - 40 -- 6 wins - 2 draws - 2 defeats - 20 points.

2013/14 games 11 - 40 -- 11 wins - 10 draws - 9 defeat - 43 points.

Reading:

2013/14 games 31 - 40 -- 4 wins - 4 draws - 2 defeats - 16 points.

2013/14 games 11 - 40 -- 12 wins - 8 draws - 10 defeats - 44 points.

Bizarre!

Thanks, Enoch!

Tom - I suppose the subtext to my post was that Dougie had an horrendous start to the season, but he rectified it and has sustained the improvement over a decent period of time - we've been achieving play off form for six months now. I know that's little consolation when we're actually in 15th, but I think that he isn't as bad as some make out.

I wasn't doubting that the stats were correct. I take issue with the idea that has been 'playoff form' on the basis that being slightly worse than the current sixth placed team over the past 30 games doesn't prove anything.

Over the period in question (the past 30 games) we're eleventh when you take into account the rest of the division. If you add the worst start in a century to six months of mid-table form you get to where we are, 15th.

I just think it's a really odd way to look at a season. The league table does a good job of drawing together results across the whole campaign, without sectioning off the bits where we did poorly.

[thebish]

we won FFS!!!!!

[Prufrock]

We've conceded more in our last ten aways, than we did in our first ten aways...

Someone might argue there's an outlier in that data set from a horror show in Berkshire ! In six of them we conceded one goal or fewer.

I'd say a team that plays ten games with nine clean sheets and one game where they concede 25 is more solid that one which concedes two in each game .

But I agree with you on systems.

I'm still not handing out a shred of credit to anyone who claims they were calling for 4-4-2 all along. This wonky diamond is not what they meant, and is no nearer a flat 4 than it is the 4-2-3-1 when we play with 5.

Also, according to the live twitter we scored from a corner so feck knows what the system has to do with it.

But most of all, as TKIZ points out, FECKING GET IN!

^ rare words of sense... BRAVO!

You trying to say Pru normally talks bollocks?

Yes it does contain a couple of outliers, think the 5 conceded against Leicester are in there too. Two outliers in a dataset of 10 is 20%, which sorta makes them a bit less like outliers.

Either way I'm struggling to get too excited about having little to play for in the Championship.

That's what I thought he meant at first!

Well, they were both in the first 3 of that ten game run I think. Plus, the only person who mentioned our last ten away games was you. BWFCi was on about our defending in away games in our last ten matches so

We seem a lot better defensively to me than we did at the start of the year anyway!

And yeah, I agree with the last sentence. It's a bit meh, which is why we need to squeeze as much enjoyment from the wins as we can

[BWFC_Insane]

We've conceded more in our last ten aways, than we did in our first ten aways...

Someone might argue there's an outlier in that data set from a horror show in Berkshire ! In six of them we conceded one goal or fewer.

I'd say a team that plays ten games with nine clean sheets and one game where they concede 25 is more solid that one which concedes two in each game .

But I agree with you on systems.

I'm still not handing out a shred of credit to anyone who claims they were calling for 4-4-2 all along. This wonky diamond is not what they meant, and is no nearer a flat 4 than it is the 4-2-3-1 when we play with 5.

Also, according to the live twitter we scored from a corner so feck knows what the system has to do with it.

But most of all, as TKIZ points out, FECKING GET IN!

^ rare words of sense... BRAVO!

You trying to say Pru normally talks bollocks?

Yes it does contain a couple of outliers, think the 5 conceded against Leicester are in there too. Two outliers in a dataset of 10 is 20%, which sorta makes them a bit less like outliers.

Either way I'm struggling to get too excited about having little to play for in the Championship.

That's what I thought he meant at first!

Well, they were both in the first 3 of that ten game run I think. Plus, the only person who mentioned our last ten away games was you. BWFCi was on about our defending in away games in our last ten matches so :8

We seem a lot better defensively to me than we did at the start of the year anyway!

And yeah, I agree with the last sentence. It's a bit meh, which is why we need to squeeze as much enjoyment from the wins as we can

Actually I was on about defending in our last ten matches. Not aways. Last ten, period.

[Prufrock]

Christ. Well, if Worthy didn't get it, and I didn't get it, I reckon it's your fault !

[BWFC_Insane]

Christ. Well, if Worthy didn't get it, and I didn't get it, I reckon it's your fault !

Nah. Worthy tried to confuse it by conflating two separate paragraphs if written into one point.

I was talking about our defending over the past ten games.

[bobo the clown]

Looking at Enoch's 30 game data .... extrapolate that to 40 games we'd currently be on 61-62 points and 7th, chasing reading on 63.

Now, of course, the simple line is that we can't ignore the first 10 games .... or/and that this proves just HOW fckg poor the first 10 games were. That would be/is my natural reaction, but I'm trying to see Enoch's point, which is a fair enough one as we are now about to prepare for the coming season.

However, this period of sustained 'good form' leaves me a little like that great (results-wise) run late last year. Though we've accumulated decent points there's only been one faze when the actual performances have had me buzzing.

It's all about results, of course it is. We can worry about performances when we're achieving the points. It's a marked improvement on the feeling by last October, for sure. Next season it all starts over again. Let's hope we're challenging.

[Worthy4England]

Christ. Well, if Worthy didn't get it, and I didn't get it, I reckon it's your fault !

Nah. Worthy tried to confuse it by conflating two separate paragraphs if written into one point.

I was talking about our defending over the past ten games.

I'm with Pru, clearly your fault!

I didn't try to confuse it. I was confused.

[BWFC_Insane]

Christ. Well, if Worthy didn't get it, and I didn't get it, I reckon it's your fault !

Nah. Worthy tried to confuse it by conflating two separate paragraphs if written into one point.

I was talking about our defending over the past ten games.

I'm with Pru, clearly your fault!

I didn't try to confuse it. I was confused.

I will take partial fault, but I want someone else blamed too, errrrrr.......

Zat Knight, he will do.

Bloody Zat...

[Lost Leopard Spot]

I thought the game was absolutely dire and probably one of the worse I have ever seen, we were the weaker team and how we did not concede I don't know with Freedman playing the usual 4-5-1 hoofball. However everything changed when he brought on Mason, with two up front we looked so much better and of course he went on to score the winner, we could have had a second in the last minute. 3 points that we did not deserve but ultimately we are now safe from relegation, yet again Bogdan bailed us out time and time again, if we had an average goalie in the sticks we would have probably lost 3-0, he was truly outstanding again as im delighted to say given how many times I have held faith in him while others have slagged him off. Good atmosphere created by our fans although the Hudds fans did not sing even once. My highlight was when the lad who sat in the row in front of me fell asleep after having a few to many and as a result missed most of the 2nd half.

Cheers Danny boy! Ginger power!

[Lost Leopard Spot]

we won FFS!!!!!

[thebish]

i know, Spotty... terribly inconvenient, eh? never mind - there'll be another defeat along soon! chin up!

[TKIZ!]

Anyone would think that you derive some sort of pleasure from us losing, Spotty?

[Enoch]

...I'm trying to see Enoch's point, which is a fair enough one as we are now about to prepare for the coming season.

I'm never too sure what my point is, but I guess I was trying to highlight that it's seldom as clear cut as some might have us believe. There are never many stand out teams and the margin between being heroes or villains is, in truth, quite a thin one.

I think.

[Prufrock]

Looking at Enoch's 30 game data .... extrapolate that to 40 games we'd currently be on 61-62 points and 7th, chasing reading on 63.

Now, of course, the simple line is that we can't ignore the first 10 games .... or/and that this proves just HOW fckg poor the first 10 games were. That would be/is my natural reaction, but I'm trying to see Enoch's point, which is a fair enough one as we are now about to prepare for the coming season.

However, this period of sustained 'good form' leaves me a little like that great (results-wise) run late last year. Though we've accumulated decent points there's only been one faze when the actual performances have had me buzzing.

It's all about results, of course it is. We can worry about performances when we're achieving the points. It's a marked improvement on the feeling by last October, for sure. Next season it all starts over again. Let's hope we're challenging.

Yup, get this. When it comes to taking comfort at least it's a little more than 'if you take out all the games we drew or lost we'd be top of the league' . We've shown over an extended period we can pick up points. No excuses if the same mistakes are made next year (though I can see how some might say there weren't any excuses this time around!).

[Lost Leopard Spot]

We won after a severe and uncomfortable ninety two minutes when we weren't winning. It has launched us from 17th to 15th in the table. We have three points to play with and six games to go before it is mathematically impossible to join the playoffs. Relegation, however, is still, mathematically just around the corner. And all this under a manager in his second term, whose imperitive was to get us up in his first term. The parachute payments run out soon, and God only knows which of the ones we've bought and lent out and which of the ones we've loaned we are going to buy.
And you want me to celebrate winning a dire shite match against UDDERSFIELD 1 fxckin nil jn the ninety second minute.
Nothing to do with revelling in defeat, everything to do with being cynically against way hay happy clappy shite.
But excuse me for living, go and celebrate as long as you want, because if you don't want to hear my opinion (rather than the one you want me to have) you can always do a Boltonboris and just ignore me.

[BWFC_Insane]

Looking at Enoch's 30 game data .... extrapolate that to 40 games we'd currently be on 61-62 points and 7th, chasing reading on 63.

Now, of course, the simple line is that we can't ignore the first 10 games .... or/and that this proves just HOW fckg poor the first 10 games were. That would be/is my natural reaction, but I'm trying to see Enoch's point, which is a fair enough one as we are now about to prepare for the coming season.

However, this period of sustained 'good form' leaves me a little like that great (results-wise) run late last year. Though we've accumulated decent points there's only been one faze when the actual performances have had me buzzing.

It's all about results, of course it is. We can worry about performances when we're achieving the points. It's a marked improvement on the feeling by last October, for sure. Next season it all starts over again. Let's hope we're challenging.

Yup, get this. When it comes to taking comfort at least it's a little more than 'if you take out all the games we drew or lost we'd be top of the league' . We've shown over an extended period we can pick up points. No excuses if the same mistakes are made next year (though I can see how some might say there weren't any excuses this time around!).

We won't be amongst the promotion favourites next year our budget will be reduced again.

I'm not sure what to expect to be honest. But a good start, whatever that means would help hugely.

[thebish]

And you want me to celebrate winning

yep! that's about the long and short of it... go on - enjoy it - last minute winners are ACE!! always have been - always will be!!!

GET IN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BWFC_Insane]

We won after a severe and uncomfortable ninety two minutes when we weren't winning. It has launched us from 17th to 15th in the table. We have three points to play with and six games to go before it is mathematically impossible to join the playoffs. Relegation, however, is still, mathematically just around the corner. And all this under a manager in his second term, whose imperitive was to get us up in his first term. The parachute payments run out soon, and God only knows which of the ones we've bought and lent out and which of the ones we've loaned we are going to buy.
And you want me to celebrate winning a dire shite match against UDDERSFIELD 1 fxckin nil jn the ninety second minute.
Nothing to do with revelling in defeat, everything to do with being cynically against way hay happy clappy shite.
But excuse me for living, go and celebrate as long as you want, because if you don't want to hear my opinion (rather than the one you want me to have) you can always do a Boltonboris and just ignore me.

So you only celebrate when we win if we are 'doing well'?

Couple of Man Utd fans at work I know are just like that.......

[NiceHotCuppaTea]