Freedman out!

[Prufrock]

I think something is off. We're at the stage now where there were plenty of black players around at the same time as a lot of the managers currently managing. Yet, the number of black managers is pathetically small. I'm not convinced there is much institutional racism going on, my own gut feeling is it's because there aren't many black managers, so not many black players decide on going into management, so there aren't many black managers...rinse and repeat.

Whilst I get that it sort of brings the issue to the fore, I do find it a little odd that the racism thing only comes up when a black manager is sacked. I mean Norwich clearly aren't racist, given they were one of however many few clubs who DID hire a black manager.

Feel a bit for Hughton. Tough gig that, and whilst he was never outstanding, he did OK too.

[BWFC_Insane]

I think something is off. We're at the stage now where there were plenty of black players around at the same time as a lot of the managers currently managing. Yet, the number of black managers is pathetically small. I'm not convinced there is much institutional racism going on, my own gut feeling is it's because there aren't many black managers, so not many black players decide on going into management, so there aren't many black managers...rinse and repeat.

Whilst I get that it sort of brings the issue to the fore, I do find it a little odd that the racism thing only comes up when a black manager is sacked. I mean Norwich clearly aren't racist, given they were one of however many few clubs who DID hire a black manager.

Feel a bit for Hughton. Tough gig that, and whilst he was never outstanding, he did OK too.

Agree with that. Summer did for him though, spent a lot of money, by Norwich's standards (by most clubs of that size standards) and still they are in a relegation battle and not playing anything close to attractive football.

But as an outsider I'd say that surely premiership survival is where it is at for Norwich and Hughton has done a decent job there last season and surely deserved to see this campaign through, at the very least.

It is where football is going though. Sacking managers is the default now. Have a bad run, sack your manager. Fans a bit bored? Sack him. Wonder what all those West Ham fans who wanted Allardyce out are thinking now?

IMO the supply of good managers out there is far less than the demand clubs have for them.

[Prufrock]

Yeah Van Wolfswinkel (any excuse to type that) in particular. I'd be surprised if he spent as much as, say Cardiff did though.

Really odd time tondonit though, unless they're hoping for a quick upturn to get a win on Sat and hope that's enough.

[LeverEnd]

I think something is off. We're at the stage now where there were plenty of black players around at the same time as a lot of the managers currently managing. Yet, the number of black managers is pathetically small. I'm not convinced there is much institutional racism going on, my own gut feeling is it's because there aren't many black managers, so not many black players decide on going into management, so there aren't many black managers...rinse and repeat.

Whilst I get that it sort of brings the issue to the fore, I do find it a little odd that the racism thing only comes up when a black manager is sacked. I mean Norwich clearly aren't racist, given they were one of however many few clubs who DID hire a black manager.

Feel a bit for Hughton. Tough gig that, and whilst he was never outstanding, he did OK too.

Agree with that. Summer did for him though, spent a lot of money, by Norwich's standards (by most clubs of that size standards) and still they are in a relegation battle and not playing anything close to attractive football.

But as an outsider I'd say that surely premiership survival is where it is at for Norwich and Hughton has done a decent job there last season and surely deserved to see this campaign through, at the very least.

It is where football is going though. Sacking managers is the default now. Have a bad run, sack your manager. Fans a bit bored? Sack him. Wonder what all those West Ham fans who wanted Allardyce out are thinking now?

IMO the supply of good managers out there is far less than the demand clubs have for them.

True about clubs often being too quick to pull the trigger but in this case watching dire football whilst clinging to a Prem place by the skin of your teeth is not good enough when you've shelled out on 3 strikers. being in the Prem is not the be all and end all for me but I know others disagree. I just use Wigan as an example.
Maybe Hughton would have liked to try to entertain but Prem money has taken over and survival is paramount. It depresses me a bit.

[BWFC_Insane]

Yeah Van Wolfswinkel (any excuse to type that) in particular. I'd be surprised if he spent as much as, say Cardiff did though.

Really odd time tondonit though, unless they're hoping for a quick upturn to get a win on Sat and hope that's enough.

Just read the Norwich official website. They've replaced him with their youth team coach.

Some of the quotes are mind-boggling from the official site:

Neil Adams, 48, steps up from his current role as our Under-18s Coach with a wealth of experience as a player, having won a league title with Everton in 1987 and made 206 appearances in all competitions as a stalwart wide player for Norwich City between 1993 and 1999.

His long experience as a player, coach and as a media analyst for BBC local radio means Neil understands the Club and its fans extremely well and the Club is sure the Canary supporters will unite behind Neil and the team for the crucial games ahead.

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Well I'm glad they got someone well qualified then. I mean I'm sure that when selecting a manager the first thing you look for is someone with experience as a media analyst for local BBC radio stations......

[LeverEnd]

Dougie out, Simon Charlton in!

[BWFC_Insane]

True about clubs often being too quick to pull the trigger but in this case watching dire football whilst clinging to a Prem place by the skin of your teeth is not good enough when you've shelled out on 3 strikers. being in the Prem is not the be all and end all for me but I know others disagree. I just use Wigan as an example.
Maybe Hughton would have liked to try to entertain but Prem money has taken over and survival is paramount. It depresses me a bit.

Aye but the Norwich board haven't sacked Hughton now because they want to play better football and finish higher. It is cos they're scared they are going down. Which shows the priorities they have (and rightly so).

I'd personally love for us to be clinging to a premiership place right now. Your best chance of being better is through premiership money and if it means hanging in there, as we did for a few seasons then so be it.

And frankly outside of the top sides I think teams in the top flight are so close in terms of ability and fitness now that it is very hard to play effective free flowing football a lot of the time - ask Allardyce...

[Bruce Rioja]

How many has Elmander scored for them, btw? It can't be many. I saw a clip of him ballooning one about 40ft over the bar on Saturday.

[thebish]

How many has Elmander scored for them, btw? It can't be many. I saw a clip of him ballooning one about 40ft over the bar on Saturday.

Elmo has been rattling in 1 league goal in 26 appearances... (and a couple in the league cup)

meanwhile... a couple of divisions lower down, our other ex goal machine has amassed 3 league goals in 33 games for Preston North End...

[Bruno3]

How many has the other goal machine Craig Davies got?

[thebish]

How many has the other goal machine Craig Davies got?

for some (presumably) mad and stupid and possibly sinister reason, PNE have only opted to play hot-shot Craig in one league game so far - but he did score in it - so 100% scoring record! he's the saviour!!


PNE are discovering that our old policy of Davi(e)s accumulation only takes you so far!

[Bruce Rioja]

Marvelous Marvin? 4 in 25 according to Wiki.

Dear me.

[thebish]

Marvelous Marvin? 4 in 25 according to Wiki.

Dear me.

it doesn't seem unreasonable to have offloaded them....

[Bruno3]

Marvelous Marvin? 4 in 25 according to Wiki.

Dear me.

it doesn't seem unreasonable to have offloaded them....

Careful - you'll be seen as a Dougie supporter

[thebish]

Marvelous Marvin? 4 in 25 according to Wiki.

Dear me.

it doesn't seem unreasonable to have offloaded them....

Careful - you'll be seen as a Dougie supporter

he didn't offload elmo... I think I'm safe!

[jaffka]

elmo offloaded himself the feckin great big pile of w*nk

[Worthy4England]

So if we look across our recent attacker base

Elmander - £8.2m (I'm sure LK will be along shortly to make this £19m when we count his salary) - 1 goal in 26 appearances
Marvellous Marvin - £3.5m? - 4 in 25 in the Championship
Wash N'gog - £4.5m - 4 in 21 mostly in the Championship
Cravies - £0.3m - 2 in 23 - in League 1
SKD - £nowt - 5 in 40
Tom Eaves - £250k - 3 in 30 in League 1
Odelusi - £nowt - 2 in 16 against Shrewsbury - majority of appearances in League 1
Wilkinson - £NK - 1 in the Conference for Chester


We should've clubbed it all together and bought a decent one.

[Prufrock]

A bit harsh to stick the goals per game figures of some of the against the fee paid for them donkeys ago .

He weren't great value for us, Elmander, but he was better than 1 in 26!

And I still reckon we did ok out of Kev.

[Worthy4England]

A bit harsh to stick the goals per game figures of some of the against the fee paid for them donkeys ago .

He weren't great value for us, Elmander, but he was better than 1 in 26!

And I still reckon we did ok out of Kev.

Yeah - I know.

Elmander would quite possibly been our highest scorer in a Prem Season, had we not shunted him out on the wing to accommodate Sturridge.

[BWFC_Insane]

A bit harsh to stick the goals per game figures of some of the against the fee paid for them donkeys ago .

He weren't great value for us, Elmander, but he was better than 1 in 26!

And I still reckon we did ok out of Kev.

Yeah - I know.

Elmander would quite possibly been our highest scorer in a Prem Season, had we not shunted him out on the wing to accommodate Sturridge.

It still brings me out in cold sweats thinking that Elmander was one of our TWO central midfielders when we lost in THAT game at Wembley!

Especially considering we went with two up front and had Petrov and Lee out wide.

When you think about it, how we didn't see that absolute tonking coming a mile off at the time is mindblowing!