Swansea release David N Gog

[Puskas]

You only have to compare the workrate of Jutkiewicz and Beckford.

Beckford is embarrassing. Would rather wave his arms at the referee than fight for a 50/50 ball.

Nobody is talking about running round like a headless chicken, just putting the graft in when required.

Beckford is also a million miles off being talented enough to act in the way he does.

What does "putting the graft in when required" actually mean?

Or is it argue in cliches day?

If so, at the end of the day, I'd be as sick as a parrot if I were Beckford.

[bobo the clown]

.... At worstest it confuses the team as they don't necessarily understand who the boos are directed at.

Oh, Gary, there was no-one confused.


I do get the "support the man in the white shirt", I get the "I won't boo a Bolton player" but your determination would have been stretched on that occasion, honestly.

[Gary the Enfield]

.... At worstest it confuses the team as they don't necessarily understand who the boos are directed at.

Oh, Gary, there was no-one confused.


I do get the "support the man in the white shirt", I get the "I won't boo a Bolton player" but your determination would have been stretched on that occasion, honestly.

Perhaps not on this occasion. But this culture of booing that I've experienced in recent years gets on my tits.

[BWFC_Insane]

You only have to compare the workrate of Jutkiewicz and Beckford.

Beckford is embarrassing. Would rather wave his arms at the referee than fight for a 50/50 ball.

Nobody is talking about running round like a headless chicken, just putting the graft in when required.

Beckford is also a million miles off being talented enough to act in the way he does.

What does "putting the graft in when required" actually mean?

Or is it argue in cliches day?

If so, at the end of the day, I'd be as sick as a parrot if I were Beckford.

Putting in the graft? Holding the ball up, working across the line, closing defenders down, chasing 50/50 balls, putting your head in to win aerial challenges, using your body to hold off defenders, not appealing for decisions when there is still a 50/50 ball to be won, chasing back when you lose possession.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

.... At worstest it confuses the team as they don't necessarily understand who the boos are directed at.

Oh, Gary, there was no-one confused.


I do get the "support the man in the white shirt", I get the "I won't boo a Bolton player" but your determination would have been stretched on that occasion, honestly.

Perhaps not on this occasion. But this culture of booing that I've experienced in recent years gets on my tits.

Boo (& co) Haram.

[Bruno3]

I wasn't going to post this next bit, and haven't done inthe few months I've known about it because it sounds like the kind of thing you hear in the pub, but here goes - Dougie was strongly advised NOT to sign Beckford. I don't know if it was desperation on his part to get more of his own players in and Coyles lot out, but he took a punt when a lot of important folk were telling him not to.

Sounds like b*llocks to me.

I'm aware it's fashionable in some quarters to boo players who don't run around like headless chickens, achieving nothing (and, similarly, praise those who do achieve sod-all, but sometimes run to put a late tackle in, half-an hour after the ball has been booted forward before strolling back to the half-way line to wait, hands on hips, for the next chance to cock something up) but suggesting Beckford is lazy is just nonsense.

I didn't go to many games last season (couldn't be arsed, to be honest - I no longer really care whether they win or lose), but watching Beckford on that last game getting booed by his own "supporters" every time he was fouled was an intriguing experience. There was one occasion in particular, in the second half, after he did a rather good turn to get past two players on the half-way line before sprinting forward with no in in support and losing out to three players who crowded him out, when the chap sat behind me started booing him again.

But there you go, eh? I'm too apathetic to boo anyone these days. Couldn't even be bothered to stay to boo the team on their lap of dishonour.

He didn't get crowded out - he hadn't a clue what to do and just left the ball behind.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

What I don't understand, and I know I'm easily confused, but when did David N'gog transform himself into Jermaine Beckford

[Bruce Rioja]

appealing for decisions when there is still a 50/50 ball to be won

That's the very bit that infuriated me the most in the Brum game. Every single time he went in with a Brum player he immediately looked to the ref for something out of nothing when the ball was still there to be won. I didn't boo him, like others, I never boo one of our own, but the levels of sheer exasperation he was drawing out of the supporters on that day were exceptional.

[thebish]

What I don't understand, and I know I'm easily confused, but when did David N'gog transform himself into Jermaine Beckford

last thursday.

[bobo the clown]

appealing for decisions when there is still a 50/50 ball to be won

That's the very bit that infuriated me the most in the Brum game. Every single time he went in with a Brum player he immediately looked to the ref for something out of nothing when the ball was still there to be won. I didn't boo him, like others, I never boo one of our own, but the levels of sheer exasperation he was drawing out of the supporters on that day were exceptional.

Anyway, he has a nice long break to look at himself and sort himself out. In that time he can stop being confused.

Currently he probably thinks he's David N'Gog.

[Puskas]

You only have to compare the workrate of Jutkiewicz and Beckford.

Beckford is embarrassing. Would rather wave his arms at the referee than fight for a 50/50 ball.

Nobody is talking about running round like a headless chicken, just putting the graft in when required.

Beckford is also a million miles off being talented enough to act in the way he does.

What does "putting the graft in when required" actually mean?

Or is it argue in cliches day?

If so, at the end of the day, I'd be as sick as a parrot if I were Beckford.

Putting in the graft? Holding the ball up, working across the line, closing defenders down, chasing 50/50 balls, putting your head in to win aerial challenges, using your body to hold off defenders, not appealing for decisions when there is still a 50/50 ball to be won, chasing back when you lose possession.

Which he has done. He was magnificent away at Bournemouth, for instance - worked hard, scored a great goal, and, most importantly, at the end, when we were trying to run down the clock, looked to play intelligent balls to keep possession, rather than just hoofing it, as other "hard working" strikers may have done in the past.

But he was rubbish against Birmingham, no denying that. And confirmation bias tends to indicate that you'll start cherry picking data when he didn't do the things you mention, and ignore the times when he did - I already mentioned one time when he did do something good against Birmingham and still got booed.

Anyway, it seems to be indisputable fact amongst the fashionable, politically correct cognoscenti that he's lazy and rubbish. So hopefully we'll bin him off and bring in another Trevor Morgan clone. That should keep everyone happy.

[bobo the clown]

...... it seems to be indisputable fact amongst the fashionable, politically correct cognoscenti that he's lazy and rubbish.

Gosh,I'm flattered ...... I think.

Never, ever, fitted that description before and I feel my life may have changed now.

[thebish]

...... it seems to be indisputable fact amongst the fashionable, politically correct cognoscenti that he's lazy and rubbish.

Gosh,I'm flattered ...... I think.

Never, ever, fitted that description before and I feel my life may have changed now.

get off Bobo - you're the most cognoscenti poster on here!

[Gary the Enfield]

...... it seems to be indisputable fact amongst the fashionable, politically correct cognoscenti that he's lazy and rubbish.

Gosh,I'm flattered ...... I think.

Never, ever, fitted that description before and I feel my life may have changed now.

get off Bobo - you're the most cognoscenti poster on here!

He's not fashionable or politically correct though. Ask him what he thinks about scousers, go on!

[Jugs]

If Ngog was British and had never played for PSG or Liverpool he would be languishing in League Two. He probably wouldn't even be scoring many goals there either. I can't believe the amount of money this guy has made.

[Prufrock]

...... it seems to be indisputable fact amongst the fashionable, politically correct cognoscenti that he's lazy and rubbish.

Gosh,I'm flattered ...... I think.

Never, ever, fitted that description before and I feel my life may have changed now.

get off Bobo - you're the most cognoscenti poster on here!

He's not fashionable or politically correct though. Ask him what he thinks about scousers, go on!

Bobo likes shell-suits ?!

[Bruce Rioja]

If Ngog was British and had never played for PSG or Liverpool he would be languishing in League Two. He probably wouldn't even be scoring many goals there either. I can't believe the amount of money this guy has made.

Well, he's still only 25, so he might come good yet.

[BWFC_Insane]

You only have to compare the workrate of Jutkiewicz and Beckford.

Beckford is embarrassing. Would rather wave his arms at the referee than fight for a 50/50 ball.

Nobody is talking about running round like a headless chicken, just putting the graft in when required.

Beckford is also a million miles off being talented enough to act in the way he does.

What does "putting the graft in when required" actually mean?

Or is it argue in cliches day?

If so, at the end of the day, I'd be as sick as a parrot if I were Beckford.

Putting in the graft? Holding the ball up, working across the line, closing defenders down, chasing 50/50 balls, putting your head in to win aerial challenges, using your body to hold off defenders, not appealing for decisions when there is still a 50/50 ball to be won, chasing back when you lose possession.

Which he has done. He was magnificent away at Bournemouth, for instance - worked hard, scored a great goal, and, most importantly, at the end, when we were trying to run down the clock, looked to play intelligent balls to keep possession, rather than just hoofing it, as other "hard working" strikers may have done in the past.

But he was rubbish against Birmingham, no denying that. And confirmation bias tends to indicate that you'll start cherry picking data when he didn't do the things you mention, and ignore the times when he did - I already mentioned one time when he did do something good against Birmingham and still got booed.

Anyway, it seems to be indisputable fact amongst the fashionable, politically correct cognoscenti that he's lazy and rubbish. So hopefully we'll bin him off and bring in another Trevor Morgan clone. That should keep everyone happy.

The problem isn't that he was "rubbish". Like others have said Danns was rubbish against Birmingham. He had a stinker. It happens. I can accept players being rubbish in a game. Or a season. They might just be rubbish.

But you can't excuse the lack of effort ever.

The fact that he CAN do those things is the problem. Because in many games he chooses not to. It cannot be that he's having an "off day" because the things I'm talking about are nothing to do with skill and everything to do with effort and application.

Birmingham wasn't the only game where he performed in that manner.

I do think he's lazy. He performs more often than not in that manner, in my view. Especially when as a team we're under pressure. The difference Juke makes is staggering. And Beckford is physically capable of doing the same should he choose.

I really shake my head at Dougie's decision to bring Beckford in. As I've said before I'm not for sacking Douglas but Beckford is my major and nagging doubt about whether he gets what we need.

[LeverEnd]

He's put in more poor performances than good. Top scorer or not, his goal record for us is below average. I'm sick of players who show flashes of ability but generally waste their talent despite picking up a big fat wedge from our club.
There have been times where he has been given unfair grief, has made great runs and been ignored, lacked support etc. That last game was not one of them, and it wasn't a one off. He should be giving more, simple as that.

[Puskas]

...... it seems to be indisputable fact amongst the fashionable, politically correct cognoscenti that he's lazy and rubbish.

Gosh,I'm flattered ...... I think.

Never, ever, fitted that description before and I feel my life may have changed now.

Happy to be of service....

To be honest, I just thought it was a phrase that gets used when you're too lazy to think of an argument (like I am at the moment...)

But I may use it more often. I like it.