Freedman out!

[TKIZ!]

New season, clean slate. Let's give him at least 5 games to decide whether to round up the torches and pitchforks. He's made decent start in terms of acquisitions. Still needs a couple of strikers though

[jaffka]

Not really sure that Dougie's gas-bagging statement said much. I hate the concept of finding victims instead of solutions. A managers job is to weld a side together, not split them apart and if he can't do that without getting rid of half the side, then what exactly has he got to be proud of, finishing fifteenth in the Championship (or whatever)? He'd be far better off patting himself on the back by results, not self-printed diplomas and self-serving interviews. What's behind is behind and the only way he'll convince me of anything is by improvement and putting Bolton Wanderes back where they belong in the respect stakes. Right now all he seems to have done is turned to a new blank page in the notebook. Pretty much anybody can do that.

I suspect (and have been told by someone far more ITK than me) that he wants every player to be a blank page. Instead of working to players' strengths he tries to turn them into what he thinks they should be. This is fine with youth teamers but sums up why he seems unable to get the best out of some seasoned pros. Not all of course, Mills has re-emerged under him, fair play on that one.
This approach is fine if you have the luxury of a clean slate but very few managers do. Good ones can exploit the strengths and talents in the squad with flexibility. That's clearly not the Dougie way. If it works hats off to the guy, but if his new bunch of good eggs (yes men?) don't start winning early then the club should not hesitate to send him off to educate someone else's fans.

Its what I have heard as well, earlier in the season though, when I mentioned about Eagles being trouble. I wonder if we have the same source?

If he cannot work with experienced pros or cannot adapt to do so, his managerial career his going to be short as wherever he goes, he will have to deal with players who are already at a club.

[BWFC_Insane]

Not really sure that Dougie's gas-bagging statement said much. I hate the concept of finding victims instead of solutions. A managers job is to weld a side together, not split them apart and if he can't do that without getting rid of half the side, then what exactly has he got to be proud of, finishing fifteenth in the Championship (or whatever)? He'd be far better off patting himself on the back by results, not self-printed diplomas and self-serving interviews. What's behind is behind and the only way he'll convince me of anything is by improvement and putting Bolton Wanderes back where they belong in the respect stakes. Right now all he seems to have done is turned to a new blank page in the notebook. Pretty much anybody can do that.

I suspect (and have been told by someone far more ITK than me) that he wants every player to be a blank page. Instead of working to players' strengths he tries to turn them into what he thinks they should be. This is fine with youth teamers but sums up why he seems unable to get the best out of some seasoned pros. Not all of course, Mills has re-emerged under him, fair play on that one.
This approach is fine if you have the luxury of a clean slate but very few managers do. Good ones can exploit the strengths and talents in the squad with flexibility. That's clearly not the Dougie way. If it works hats off to the guy, but if his new bunch of good eggs (yes men?) don't start winning early then the club should not hesitate to send him off to educate someone else's fans.

Same story came out of Newcastle when Allardyce was there, couldn't manage senior pros who didn't do what he wanted them to.

[bobo the clown]

It's the nature of a management & coaching pricess called NLP. Neuro Linguistic Programming ... I ask you !! That was the foundation of Allardyce's system and, for a comparison, the whole New Labour concept. A lot of business took it up and many later dropped it due to its divisiveness.

A person is deconstructed, made to analyse their actions and to break them down and then improve each element. In extremis it's a bit like "born again" stuff. Creates real zealots disturbing system. To be avoided in business if you can. Moonie-Management really. Creates cliques and a high stress option.

[jaffka]

So in summary Duggie is old hat, trying to repeat stuff at doesnt work. Not surprising really.

[bobo the clown]

So in summary Duggie is old hat, trying to repeat stuff at doesnt work. Not surprising really.

It's a very extreme and unforgiving scheme which demands people buy in utterly and if you don't you're toast. It worked for BFSA and it worked for Blair .... but it damages people. Maybe that's the way to go forward.

I hope not though.

[jaffka]

So in summary Duggie is old hat, trying to repeat stuff at doesnt work. Not surprising really.

It's a very extreme and unforgiving scheme which demands people buy in utterly and if you don't you're toast. It worked for BFSA and it worked for Blair .... but it damages people. Maybe that's the way to go forward.

I hope not though.

Very small pool of players that are of the required standard that we can attract.

Reduced even more by not being able to buy into the managers theory.

We are going no where under him.

Stagnant or relegation on the cards.

[Worthy4England]

So in summary Duggie is old hat, trying to repeat stuff at doesnt work. Not surprising really.

It's a very extreme and unforgiving scheme which demands people buy in utterly and if you don't you're toast. It worked for BFSA and it worked for Blair .... but it damages people. Maybe that's the way to go forward.

I hope not though.

How have you arrived at the conclusion that either Allardyce or Labour used it? Are there any references to them using it?

[Prufrock]

No-one has suggested he's actually using NLP have they (or the other two for that matter)? Coz that would fecking swing it for me!

I've no time for any players who don't 'buy into' what the manager says though, even if it is bollocks.

[jaffka]

So in summary Duggie is old hat, trying to repeat stuff at doesnt work. Not surprising really.

It's a very extreme and unforgiving scheme which demands people buy in utterly and if you don't you're toast. It worked for BFSA and it worked for Blair .... but it damages people. Maybe that's the way to go forward.

I hope not though.

Now you will earn your money, worthy is questioning you

I'm joining in to chorve the insane idiot.

[bobo the clown]

No-one has suggested he's actually using NLP have they (or the other two for that matter)? Coz that would fecking swing it for me!

I've no time for any players who don't 'buy into' what the manager says though, even if it is bollocks.

No. I'm not .... though what is described fits that completely.

Allardyce also His methods jusr scream it.

New Labour certainly did.

[Worthy4England]

So we have some people that get others "on-side", using the power of persuasion, therefore there's mysterious forces at work.

How unnatural.

That sort of describes every person I've ever met. Some are better at it than others.

[bobo the clown]

So we have some people that get others "on-side", using the power of persuasion, therefore there's mysterious forces at work.

How unnatural.

That sort of describes every person I've ever met. Some are better at it than others.

Some are downrught sinister about it. There's a difference.

[Worthy4England]

I figured there'd be bogeymen in it somewhere.

Let's all shout "witch" and see who believes it.

[bobo the clown]

I figured there'd be bogeymen in it somewhere.

Let's all shout "witch" and see who believes it.

So you're an NLP man. Who'da thought it ?

[Worthy4England]

I figured there'd be bogeymen in it somewhere.

Let's all shout "witch" and see who believes it.

So you're an NLP man. Who'da thought it ?

You can make just about anyone you want fit the description, just to be able to shout "bogyman".

[thebish]

this thread just surpassed itself...

the implication that Dougie has instigated some kind of Neuro-Linguistic-Programming scheme at the club?

really??

I mean, really??????

[bobo the clown]

That's what he describes ... wanting "clean slates" upon which he can build and needing willing oarticipants and thise who don't sign up are exiled. Yes. It's a well practiced, high level coaching technique. I don't even see it as odd, just not my cuppa.

[Worthy4England]

I guess the bit I'm missing here, is that to me, that's just "management".

Generally when a new manager comes in, in any line of business, they start from not knowing any fcuker, so they see how it goes for a bit.

They generally then set out their plan.

Some folks don't like it. They get shifted, especially if they're overtly or covertly try to derail the plan.

I don't think that's NLP, I think that's gone on since before NLP became a pseudo "science".

Hardly sinister.

[Enoch]

Some bloke down the pub told me Ferguson was the master of this here NLP and he had it on good authority it takes about three and a half years to kick in.

He also said Clough knew feck all about it and as such did well to last the full 44 days.

I think it's bollocks myself. I much prefer managers that allow everyone to do as they like.

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Wenger out!!