Adam Bogdan

[Enoch]

and probably one that it's difficult for dougie to "win" either way..

Are you suggesting he's damned if he does and all that?!!

[Worthy4England]

Wants to play in the Premier League? Yeah, I quite fancy having a crack at that myself, Ginge.

I'll offer you £25k per week if that's ok? Because that'll make you a better player than if I only offer you a paltry £6k per week.

That good with you?

I'd wait to see what he's like facing free-kicks from behind a wall before committing to that if I were you, Worthy.

I think he'd have struggled to get up to the top corner for that one yesterday.

[TANGODANCER]

Unless he say "It's Bolton I want to play for", let him go. He wants top flight, we aren't top flight and can't even guarantee we will be. Give me a trier who wants to play for Bolton over some body dreaming of Chelsea or United coming for them.

[Bruce Rioja]

Wants to play in the Premier League? Yeah, I quite fancy having a crack at that myself, Ginge.

I'll offer you £25k per week if that's ok? Because that'll make you a better player than if I only offer you a paltry £6k per week.

That good with you?

Make it £30K and I'll 'put in a good shift' as well.

[Bruce Rioja]

Wants to play in the Premier League? Yeah, I quite fancy having a crack at that myself, Ginge.

I'll offer you £25k per week if that's ok? Because that'll make you a better player than if I only offer you a paltry £6k per week.

That good with you?

I'd wait to see what he's like facing free-kicks from behind a wall before committing to that if I were you, Worthy.

Well, I'll have my wall set up correctly, for one.

[BWFC_Insane]

I thought we had to comply with FFP Insano? Surely Boggers is on a more expensive contract than Lonners. Plus a small fee.

Every little helps...

Well if someone comes in with a bid you have to weigh that up.

I'm saying that it isn't as simple as saying do a new deal or sell.

Doesn't work like that, both scenarios involve others doing something.

Well, to be fair, I thought it was obvious that it dependind on other things was a given, but apparently not.

Not like we're powerless though. When you want to sell a player I doubt you sit by the phone hoping that by chance someone comes in for that player.

And whilst teams might want to wait a year, plenty might not! I doubt Chelsea are going to sit out for the rest of Diego Costa's contract to run down are they?

Sure, we might not be able to agree a new contract, and we might not be able to sell him but we should try rather than sitting around like Marvin the Paranoid Android moping.

"Oh, he'll probably leave for free at the end, what's the point".

Equally I don't see the issue of waiting it out and seeing what happens. We might lose a player for free, equally we might save a big contract on a player who has yet to be consistent.

If a bid comes in consider it. Think about contracts one we know what is happening next season and approximately where we might be.

[jaffka]

I thought we had to comply with FFP Insano? Surely Boggers is on a more expensive contract than Lonners. Plus a small fee.

Every little helps...

Well if someone comes in with a bid you have to weigh that up.

I'm saying that it isn't as simple as saying do a new deal or sell.

Doesn't work like that, both scenarios involve others doing something.

Well, to be fair, I thought it was obvious that it dependind on other things was a given, but apparently not.

Not like we're powerless though. When you want to sell a player I doubt you sit by the phone hoping that by chance someone comes in for that player.

And whilst teams might want to wait a year, plenty might not! I doubt Chelsea are going to sit out for the rest of Diego Costa's contract to run down are they?

Sure, we might not be able to agree a new contract, and we might not be able to sell him but we should try rather than sitting around like Marvin the Paranoid Android moping.

"Oh, he'll probably leave for free at the end, what's the point".

Equally I don't see the issue of waiting it out and seeing what happens. We might lose a player for free, equally we might save a big contract on a player who has yet to be consistent.

If a bid comes in consider it. Think about contracts one we know what is happening next season and approximately where we might be.

You actually don't know what you are talking about.

You are going around in circles and confusing yourself.

A quick tip, engage your brain before typing

[Prufrock]

I thought we had to comply with FFP Insano? Surely Boggers is on a more expensive contract than Lonners. Plus a small fee.

Every little helps...

Well if someone comes in with a bid you have to weigh that up.

I'm saying that it isn't as simple as saying do a new deal or sell.

Doesn't work like that, both scenarios involve others doing something.

Well, to be fair, I thought it was obvious that it dependind on other things was a given, but apparently not.

Not like we're powerless though. When you want to sell a player I doubt you sit by the phone hoping that by chance someone comes in for that player.

And whilst teams might want to wait a year, plenty might not! I doubt Chelsea are going to sit out for the rest of Diego Costa's contract to run down are they?

Sure, we might not be able to agree a new contract, and we might not be able to sell him but we should try rather than sitting around like Marvin the Paranoid Android moping.

"Oh, he'll probably leave for free at the end, what's the point".

Equally I don't see the issue of waiting it out and seeing what happens. We might lose a player for free, equally we might save a big contract on a player who has yet to be consistent.

If a bid comes in consider it. Think about contracts one we know what is happening next season and approximately where we might be.

I don't see an issue either, other than the massive issue you pointed out in your next sentence. We don't have very many internationals in their mid-twenties with Premier League experience. I've never been Boggers' greatest fan but we're f*cked if players like him are leaving for nowt.

Save a big contract? I know you're well into this 'we have to meet FFP' etc, but we do also have to turn a side out. You find out what he wants, decide if he's worth it factoring all that in, and if he is, great, and if he's not you get rid now for actual cash dollar rather than next summer for nowt.

[Bruce Rioja]

Equally I don't see the issue of waiting it out and seeing what happens. We might lose a player for free, equally we might save a big contract on a player who has yet to be consistent.

If a bid comes in consider it. Think about contracts one we know what is happening next season and approximately where we might be.

Hang on, hang on. So, if we wait it out, something you don't see an issue with, we end up paying top Dollar to an inconsistent player who can leave for nothing at the end of it then? Sorry, how's any of that to our advantage?

[jaffka]

Equally I don't see the issue of waiting it out and seeing what happens. We might lose a player for free, equally we might save a big contract on a player who has yet to be consistent.

If a bid comes in consider it. Think about contracts one we know what is happening next season and approximately where we might be.

Hang on, hang on. So, if we wait it out, something you don't see an issue with, we end up paying top Dollar to an inconsistent player who can leave for nothing at the end of it then? Sorry, how's any of that to our advantage?

Exactly and this is just the latest example of talking total bollox.

[BWFC_Insane]

Equally I don't see the issue of waiting it out and seeing what happens. We might lose a player for free, equally we might save a big contract on a player who has yet to be consistent.

If a bid comes in consider it. Think about contracts one we know what is happening next season and approximately where we might be.

Hang on, hang on. So, if we wait it out, something you don't see an issue with, we end up paying top Dollar to an inconsistent player who can leave for nothing at the end of it then? Sorry, how's any of that to our advantage?

We are paying him what we are either way. We can only sell him now if someone makes a bid. People are making out it's like a computer game where we decide to click sell and someone will take him for a fee.

Everyone in football knows that the entire Bolton squad is available for the right price. It's been advertised as such enough.

If someone comes in now then consider it as you would with any bid.

But my point is why rush to sign Bogdan up to a presumably relatively big deal now? We might once again be saddled paying an underperforming player. Why not see what next season brings? If he does well and we do well, then we are in a better position to offer a deal. If we don't then so be it.

It's a risk either way of course, but I'd be happy waiting it out and seeing if anyone bids and if not seeing how things go for both him and us next season.

[jaffka]

Equally I don't see the issue of waiting it out and seeing what happens. We might lose a player for free, equally we might save a big contract on a player who has yet to be consistent.

If a bid comes in consider it. Think about contracts one we know what is happening next season and approximately where we might be.

Hang on, hang on. So, if we wait it out, something you don't see an issue with, we end up paying top Dollar to an inconsistent player who can leave for nothing at the end of it then? Sorry, how's any of that to our advantage?

We are paying him what we are either way. We can only sell him now if someone makes a bid. People are making out it's like a computer game where we decide to click sell and someone will take him for a fee.

Everyone in football knows that the entire Bolton squad is available for the right price. It's been advertised as such enough.

If someone comes in now then consider it as you would with any bid.

But my point is why rush to sign Bogdan up to a presumably relatively big deal now? We might once again be saddled paying an underperforming player. Why not see what next season brings? If he does well and we do well, then we are in a better position to offer a deal. If we don't then so be it.

It's a risk either way of course, but I'd be happy waiting it out and seeing if anyone bids and if not seeing how things go for both him and us next season.

still bollox

[Bruce Rioja]

We are paying him what we are either way. We can only sell him now if someone makes a bid.

No we're not. We can loan him out right now like we have other inconsistent, overpaid players.

[Vertigo]

Unless he say "It's Bolton I want to play for", let him go. He wants top flight, we aren't top flight and can't even guarantee we will be. Give me a trier who wants to play for Bolton over some body dreaming of Chelsea or United coming for them.

That's how I feel too. I'd love Boggers to play out his career here if he keeps playing how he is, but if he wants to go, Lonnergan is just as good.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Anyway, it's all moot as the Mackems can come along to our tawdry little club and take what they want.

If Boggers has delusions of grandeur and wants more than we can/want to pay then we try to sell, given he is one of the few saleable assets we have. If we're to manage this FFP malarkey, we've either got to start selling players for fees, or stop buying them and paying too much on wages.

[Prufrock]

Equally I don't see the issue of waiting it out and seeing what happens. We might lose a player for free, equally we might save a big contract on a player who has yet to be consistent.

If a bid comes in consider it. Think about contracts one we know what is happening next season and approximately where we might be.

Hang on, hang on. So, if we wait it out, something you don't see an issue with, we end up paying top Dollar to an inconsistent player who can leave for nothing at the end of it then? Sorry, how's any of that to our advantage?

We are paying him what we are either way. We can only sell him now if someone makes a bid. People are making out it's like a computer game where we decide to click sell and someone will take him for a fee.

Everyone in football knows that the entire Bolton squad is available for the right price. It's been advertised as such enough.

If someone comes in now then consider it as you would with any bid.

But my point is why rush to sign Bogdan up to a presumably relatively big deal now? We might once again be saddled paying an underperforming player. Why not see what next season brings? If he does well and we do well, then we are in a better position to offer a deal. If we don't then so be it.

It's a risk either way of course, but I'd be happy waiting it out and seeing if anyone bids and if not seeing how things go for both him and us next season.

Bollocks. You make it sounds like there's an equal chance of getting rid of any of it players and if we want rid there's nothing more that we can do.

In sure I remember Douggie last year saying he'd been ringing round trying to get rid of Andrews and Sordell.

And you keep saying why risk signing him up and then not bothering to answer when people reply with the obvious answer: 'so he can't leave for free'.

[Armchair Wanderer]

Is it worth giving someone on P'ship wages an extension? Would the extension be at the same rate or a pay cut? Would they sign something that reduced their wages? If their wages are at the higher end of the spectrum is locking ourselves in for an extra x years a smart move?

If they sold him they could get a few mil, say, and have spent almost as much on signing bonuses etc. If they don't sell they've lumbered themselves with more debt for longer into the future.

[BWFC_Insane]

And you keep saying why risk signing him up and then not bothering to answer when people reply with the obvious answer: 'so he can't leave for free'.

Well we should have signed Knight up then because he's just left on a free.

Your logic is predicated on Bogdan being a valuable asset in the market. And a valuable playing asset for us.

I don't have an issue with that logic, I'm merely stating that up until the last few months of the season Bogdan was another relatively expensive player not delivering. He got his act together and I agree he has a lot of promise. But I'd dispute that he's proven enough to be worth a lot of money.

So do we take a risk and give out what would be one of our bigger contracts and hope that we get Bogdan at his last few months form rather than the first half of the season (where people were screaming for him to be dropped and Longergan to play)?

We're not talking Gary Cahill here yet.

There are many scenarios but I'll paint a black and white one.

1) We sign Bogdan he reverts back to his form early part of last season, we have a relatively expensive player benched whilst Adam Lee-Barrett has to play as Longergan has gone, and eventually we end up desperate to loan Bogdan out to save half his wages and have a major amount of resources tied up.

2) We don't sign Bogdan he is brilliant next season and leaves at the end on a free. And we lose 3/4M from a potential sale.

Both are risky and I'm just saying that in my view he isn't a sure thing yet so suggesting that we have to do everything we can to prevent losing him for free is premature. Were we financially well off, then it would be a no brainer. But whilst we are scraping around for spare change to bring players in on modest salaries committing a considerable amount of our wage budget to a player who less than 6 months ago was being castigated on here and elsewhere is certainly not the no brainer you are suggesting.

FWIW I think the club will agree a deal with him as Dougie seems to like him and Bogdan seems relatively happy here. I've no problem either way, merely stating that personally I'd have no problem if the club chose to wait and see over him.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Give me a trier who wants to play for Bolton over some body dreaming of Chelsea or United coming for them.

Sounds like Dougie...

Difficult one, this, as you imagine he's on one of the larger remaining contracts - although he signed an extension in November 2012, under Dougie, that seems from memory to be before the belt-tightening began. And that was a one-year extension to his previous contract (to 2014), signed in March 2011, a fortnight before the FA Cup semi-final, when all was well with the world; you'd have to conclude that the 2011 contract was Premier-sized, and the one-year extension was on the same terms, a fiscal safeguard giving us the options we have now.

[Prufrock]

And you keep saying why risk signing him up and then not bothering to answer when people reply with the obvious answer: 'so he can't leave for free'.

Well we should have signed Knight up then because he's just left on a free.

Your logic is predicated on Bogdan being a valuable asset in the market. And a valuable playing asset for us.

I don't have an issue with that logic, I'm merely stating that up until the last few months of the season Bogdan was another relatively expensive player not delivering. He got his act together and I agree he has a lot of promise. But I'd dispute that he's proven enough to be worth a lot of money.

So do we take a risk and give out what would be one of our bigger contracts and hope that we get Bogdan at his last few months form rather than the first half of the season (where people were screaming for him to be dropped and Longergan to play)?

We're not talking Gary Cahill here yet.

There are many scenarios but I'll paint a black and white one.

1) We sign Bogdan he reverts back to his form early part of last season, we have a relatively expensive player benched whilst Adam Lee-Barrett has to play as Longergan has gone, and eventually we end up desperate to loan Bogdan out to save half his wages and have a major amount of resources tied up.

2) We don't sign Bogdan he is brilliant next season and leaves at the end on a free. And we lose 3/4M from a potential sale.

Both are risky and I'm just saying that in my view he isn't a sure thing yet so suggesting that we have to do everything we can to prevent losing him for free is premature. Were we financially well off, then it would be a no brainer. But whilst we are scraping around for spare change to bring players in on modest salaries committing a considerable amount of our wage budget to a player who less than 6 months ago was being castigated on here and elsewhere is certainly not the no brainer you are suggesting.

FWIW I think the club will agree a deal with him as Dougie seems to like him and Bogdan seems relatively happy here. I've no problem either way, merely stating that personally I'd have no problem if the club chose to wait and see over him.

There's somewhat of a difference between a 34 year old Zat Knight and a 26 year-old keeper. One is an asset, one a liability (boom!). And for what it's worth you'll find plenty who would have advocated selling Knight last summer (though not necessarily to protect his value ).

Of course there's a risk he'll (AB) turn out to be shite again, but if you follow that logic they'd all get month-to-month contracts. We have to guess at what we think Boggers is worth to us, and offer what we can. No-one should be getting premier league contracts anymore, no matter how good they are.

If he's leaving, well we're going to have to replace him next summer anyway, so try to get rid. If we can get some money for him, hooray, as that makes it easier, plus we've got a year less of paying him premier league wages. If we can't get rid of him, we're in no different a position than your 'wait and see'.