The Great Art Debate

[Bruce Rioja]

It was Van Gogh's Starry Night that I was stood gawping at in MoMA when they basically kicked me out on the grounds of some minor timekeeping issue. So for that reason alone - Booooooooooo. He couldn't paint for shit

[LeverEnd]

I think I may have also described Tracey Emin a chancer. If I haven't then I have now.

Made me laugh...

I'll avoid picking up the Tracey Emin offering - it will get the clown raving and the dancer foaming and the obdurate bastard grunting, and there's only so much fun i can take on a Tuesday evening.

Haha! I knew Bruce had a crush on her.

[TANGODANCER]

I think I may have also described Tracey Emin a chancer. If I haven't then I have now.

Made me laugh...

I'll avoid picking up the Tracey Emin offering - it will get the clown raving and the dancer foaming and the obdurate bastard grunting, and there's only so much fun i can take on a Tuesday evening.

Cue: A clown, a dancer and an obdurate bastard walked into a Tracy Emin exhibition...

[malcd1]

Now this is Art with a capital A. Of course people clap and cheer these performances.



And another classic from Yoko.

[Montreal Wanderer]

Now this is Art with a capital A. Of course people clap and cheer these performances.



And another classic from Yoko.

She and I both looked pretty good when she was in the Queen Elizabeth Hotel, Montreal, giving peace a chance back in 1967. I think she has worn rather better than I did. However, I scream less.

[TANGODANCER]

I know it must just be me, but this is why I find calling this "art" so very ridiculous. Currently, the dog's going bananas barking along to Mrs Ono, so he must be attuned to it all.

[malcd1]

I know it must just be me, but this is why I find calling this "art" so very ridiculous. Currently, the dog's going bananas barking along to Mrs Ono, so he must be attuned to it all.

I was trying to say that art is such a subjective and personal thing but I did it in a crude way. What some call art others will think it is complete rubbish. Just because it is called art does not mean it is good or worthwhile being displayed.

I for one cannot understand why anyone would spend their time watching or listening to Yoko Ono never mind cheer and clap rather than say WTF. Likewise, when I visited the Van Gogh museum I thought 90% of it was awful. Really, really terrible. I realise life would be worse off without the Impressionism and Post-Impressionism art movement and the move away from more conventional work. It doesn't mean that I consider it all great. Perhaps I don't appreciate the composition or the style with the all too visible brush strokes.

Although Claude Monet was a very gifted artist I find some of his subject matter particular boring but I think that was probably his intention. Painting the same scene over and over again with different light and seasons. An interesting subject will probably take your eye away from the style of the painting that is so important.

Anyway I will jump back out of this thread now that I have disrupted things.

[William the White]

I know it must just be me, but this is why I find calling this "art" so very ridiculous. Currently, the dog's going bananas barking along to Mrs Ono, so he must be attuned to it all.

I was trying to say that art is such a subjective and personal thing but I did it in a crude way. What some call art others will think it is complete rubbish. Just because it is called art does not mean it is good or worthwhile being displayed.

I for one cannot understand why anyone would spend their time watching or listening to Yoko Ono never mind cheer and clap rather than say WTF. Likewise, when I visited the Van Gogh museum I thought 90% of it was awful. Really, really terrible. I realise life would be worse off without the Impressionism and Post-Impressionism art movement and the move away from more conventional work. It doesn't mean that I consider it all great. Perhaps I don't appreciate the composition or the style with the all too visible brush strokes.

Although Claude Monet was a very gifted artist I find some of his subject matter particular boring but I think that was probably his intention. Painting the same scene over and over again with different light and seasons. An interesting subject will probably take your eye away from the style of the painting that is so important.

Anyway I will jump back out of this thread now that I have disrupted things.

Don't jump out! You haven't 'disrupted' anything. It's a debate.

[William the White]

I think I may have also described Tracey Emin a chancer. If I haven't then I have now.

Made me laugh...

I'll avoid picking up the Tracey Emin offering - it will get the clown raving and the dancer foaming and the obdurate bastard grunting, and there's only so much fun i can take on a Tuesday evening.

Haha! I knew Bruce had a crush on her.

Clearly that is the case.

However the obdurate bastard I was referring to - and he embraces the label with pride - was W4E.

[bobo the clown]

I think I may have also described Tracey Emin a chancer. If I haven't then I have now.

Made me laugh...

I'll avoid picking up the Tracey Emin offering - it will get the clown raving and the dancer foaming and the obdurate bastard grunting, and there's only so much fun i can take on a Tuesday evening.

Haha! I knew Bruce had a crush on her.

Clearly that is the case.
However the obdurate bastard I was referring to - and he embraces the label with pride - was W4E.

Hey, hey, hey .... I will remind you that I had some "deep & insightful observations" about la Emin when I saw Crayon's exhibition (apparently).

[LeverEnd]

Just assumed it was Bruce.

[William the White]

Just assumed it was Bruce.

An understandable assumption, of course.

[William the White]

I think I may have also described Tracey Emin a chancer. If I haven't then I have now.

Made me laugh...

I'll avoid picking up the Tracey Emin offering - it will get the clown raving and the dancer foaming and the obdurate bastard grunting, and there's only so much fun i can take on a Tuesday evening.

Haha! I knew Bruce had a crush on her.

Clearly that is the case.
However the obdurate bastard I was referring to - and he embraces the label with pride - was W4E.

Hey, hey, hey .... I will remind you that I had some "deep & insightful observations" about la Emin when I saw Crayon's exhibition (apparently).

Please repeat them...

[Lost Leopard Spot]

You feeling stronger on a Wednesday then Billy?

[William the White]

You feeling stronger on a Wednesday then Billy?

The possibility of the clown making deep and insightful comments on Emin (or, indeed, anything else) was too enticing to resist...

[Lost Leopard Spot]

You feeling stronger on a Wednesday then Billy?

The possibility of the clown making deep and insightful comments on Emin (or, indeed, anything else) was too enticing to resist...

trouble is though, that the 'apparently' neatly nestled within the brackets suggests the possibility was greatly hyped, sadly

On another note though : I've just 'soldout' in two senses. For years I've been collecting stones with natural holes and stringing them up in long clusters on thin wire around my garden, hanging off trees, walls, gutters, spikes, and other interesting places.
A month or so ago an estate agent wanted to buy them because in his words they were the greatest art he'd ever seen. (he was a guest at a party I'd thrown prior to going into hospital, and he asked then "how much", and I said bugger off!)
He came back tonight.
I've got £5,000 in my mitt and I feel grubby.
... My garden's denuded. What have I done?

[William the White]

You'll have a blast at the exhibition, Will. Really enjoyed it. Some of the things on display were breathtaking.

You were so right.

A vivid, exhilarating, brilliant show. I still don't get The Snail, but really enjoyed practically everything else.

[Worthy4England]

Just assumed it was Bruce.

An understandable assumption, of course.

Indeed - who in their right mind would have me down as remotely obdurate?

[William the White]

You feeling stronger on a Wednesday then Billy?

The possibility of the clown making deep and insightful comments on Emin (or, indeed, anything else) was too enticing to resist...

trouble is though, that the 'apparently' neatly nestled within the brackets suggests the possibility was greatly hyped, sadly

On another note though : I've just 'soldout' in two senses. For years I've been collecting stones with natural holes and stringing them up in long clusters on thin wire around my garden, hanging off trees, walls, gutters, spikes, and other interesting places.
A month or so ago an estate agent wanted to buy them because in his words they were the greatest art he'd ever seen. (he was a guest at a party I'd thrown prior to going into hospital, and he asked then "how much", and I said bugger off!)
He came back tonight.
I've got £5,000 in my mitt and I feel grubby.
... My garden's denuded. What have I done?

I expect he's just ashamed of slipping momentarily from brutish ignorance, a default position he has held for so long he probably believes it himself. But ignorance is a delicate flower - once touched by insight, and profundity, it is inevitably lost and gone forever. This is a frightening prospect for the clown. I expect him to fail to respond to my invitation.

[bobo the clown]

You feeling stronger on a Wednesday then Billy?

The possibility of the clown making deep and insightful comments on Emin (or, indeed, anything else) was too enticing to resist...

Ask Crayons. Don't take my word for it !