You take the high road...

[Harry Genshaw]

Truly amazing. They are, quite simply, making this up as hey go along !!

http://news.sky.com/story/1305878/yes-v ... ts-funding" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So we'll be independent but will want UK national funding and access to UK lottery cash.

Rrrrrrighty-oh

Sorry if this is a bit dim of me, but if they leave the UK then wouldn't they have a fair claim to their proportion of UK expenditure during the setting up process?

I think that's not unreasonable. When does the setting up process finish and when do they start their own National Lottery?

As Alex Salmond might say "all will become clear afterwards"
I'm thinking that should the Scots leave the uk, the rest of us and our institutions can't just carry on, presumably we'd have to negotiate new agreements? If they do vote yes, they won't just become independent overnight, there'd have to be some transition period surely?

[Worthy4England]

Truly amazing. They are, quite simply, making this up as hey go along !!

http://news.sky.com/story/1305878/yes-v ... ts-funding" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So we'll be independent but will want UK national funding and access to UK lottery cash.

Rrrrrrighty-oh

Sorry if this is a bit dim of me, but if they leave the UK then wouldn't they have a fair claim to their proportion of UK expenditure during the setting up process?

I think that's not unreasonable. When does the setting up process finish and when do they start their own National Lottery?

As Alex Salmond might say "all will become clear afterwards"
I'm thinking that should the Scots leave the uk, the rest of us and our institutions can't just carry on, presumably we'd have to negotiate new agreements? If they do vote yes, they won't just become independent overnight, there'd have to be some transition period surely?

Indeed there will have to be a transition period. Hopefully a quick one.

I think we should, as a gesture of goodwill, agree not to go to war with them, until they've had chance to build some ships.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

My fxcking problem is that I like Scotland. If only the fxcking Scots didn't inhabit the place, I could get on with my life! (Although to be fair, quite a number of them have boogered off abroad, leaving mostly English, Poles, French and Norwegians in charge of the Highlands). A bit like Wales and the Welsh really, apart from the Taffs haven't boogered off anywhere much at all (with the exception of Patagonia).

[thebish]

Indeed there will have to be a transition period. Hopefully a quick one.

I think we should, as a gesture of goodwill, agree not to go to war with them, until they've had chance to build some ships.

now there's an idea...

independance - day one

day two - declare war and annexe them!

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Indeed there will have to be a transition period. Hopefully a quick one.

I think we should, as a gesture of goodwill, agree not to go to war with them, until they've had chance to build some ships.

now there's an idea...

independance - day one

day two - declare war and annexe them!

Why bother declaring war? Just send some Geordies in with balaclavas. Equally incomprehensible when they're excited.

[TANGODANCER]

Are we once again seeing the politicians as representative of the country in general, or themselves in particular?

[CrazyHorse]

Truly amazing. They are, quite simply, making this up as hey go along !!

http://news.sky.com/story/1305878/yes-v ... ts-funding" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So we'll be independent but will want UK national funding and access to UK lottery cash.

Rrrrrrighty-oh

Sorry if this is a bit dim of me, but if they leave the UK then wouldn't they have a fair claim to their proportion of UK expenditure during the setting up process?

I think that's not unreasonable. When does the setting up process finish and when do they start their own National Lottery?

As Alex Salmond might say "all will become clear afterwards"
I'm thinking that should the Scots leave the uk, the rest of us and our institutions can't just carry on, presumably we'd have to negotiate new agreements? If they do vote yes, they won't just become independent overnight, there'd have to be some transition period surely?

They won't become independent overnight, no. Mainly because the vote doesn't give them independence, that has to come from an act of Parliament.

[CrazyHorse]

Actually either an act of Parliament or, and this is my preferred method, a civil war.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Actually either an act of Parliament or, and this is my preferred method, a civil war.

As that woman says in that film... " YES YES YES... ARRRRRRRRR"

[Little Green Man]

My fxcking problem is that I like Scotland. If only the fxcking Scots didn't inhabit the place, I could get on with my life! (Although to be fair, quite a number of them have boogered off abroad, leaving mostly English, Poles, French and Norwegians in charge of the Highlands). A bit like Wales and the Welsh really, apart from the Taffs haven't boogered off anywhere much at all (with the exception of Patagonia).

Too right. In fact very much like England and the English. And Monaco and the Monégasque.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

My fxcking problem is that I like Scotland. If only the fxcking Scots didn't inhabit the place, I could get on with my life! (Although to be fair, quite a number of them have boogered off abroad, leaving mostly English, Poles, French and Norwegians in charge of the Highlands). A bit like Wales and the Welsh really, apart from the Taffs haven't boogered off anywhere much at all (with the exception of Patagonia).

Too right. In fact very much like England and the English. And Monaco and the Monégasque.

And we haven't even mentioned Ireland and the Irish, or Russia and the Russians, never mind the bits of Russia which aren't and the Russians who aren't Russian, or Romania and the Gypsies!

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

My fxcking problem is that I like Scotland. If only the fxcking Scots didn't inhabit the place, I could get on with my life! (Although to be fair, quite a number of them have boogered off abroad, leaving mostly English, Poles, French and Norwegians in charge of the Highlands). A bit like Wales and the Welsh really, apart from the Taffs haven't boogered off anywhere much at all (with the exception of Patagonia).

Too right. In fact very much like England and the English. And Monaco and the Monégasque.

And we haven't even mentioned Ireland and the Irish, or Russia and the Russians, never mind the bits of Russia which aren't and the Russians who aren't Russian, or Romania and the Gypsies!

To be honest, this is a great planet, if only everyone would feck off

[Hoboh]

Truly amazing. They are, quite simply, making this up as hey go along !!

http://news.sky.com/story/1305878/yes-v ... ts-funding" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So we'll be independent but will want UK national funding and access to UK lottery cash.

Rrrrrrighty-oh

Sorry if this is a bit dim of me, but if they leave the UK then wouldn't they have a fair claim to their proportion of UK expenditure during the setting up process?

I think that's not unreasonable. When does the setting up process finish and when do they start their own National Lottery?

As Alex Salmond might say "all will become clear afterwards"
I'm thinking that should the Scots leave the uk, the rest of us and our institutions can't just carry on, presumably we'd have to negotiate new agreements? If they do vote yes, they won't just become independent overnight, there'd have to be some transition period surely?

Why?
Think of the cost to us of border passport checkpoints and relocating our armed services.
Mind you a lot of that could be offset by moving the ship building, the clyde will be busy enough building longboats.

[Hoboh]

the claim that they should have UK national lottery funding because lots of scots buy lottery tickets is a nonsense.

More chance for us to win it if they are not apart of it, I could live with ten bob less if the Scots don't play.

[bobo the clown]

the claim that they should have UK national lottery funding because lots of scots buy lottery tickets is a nonsense.

More chance for us to win it if they are not apart of it, I could live with ten bob less if the Scots don't play.

it'd become like the Iris lottery to us. It's sold in many places across the UK. Buyers have as much ... or as little ... chance to win as anyone else but the "good causes" are all there.

This Scotchish women seems to think they should still get their bit. Amazing.

[BWFC_Insane]

Some of the views on here - I hope they are jokes because the nationalistic jingoism is pretty tiring if not.

I agree that it isn't clear how things will work. But that is on both sides and the idea that there wouldn't be any financial agreements or arrangements in place between the "remainder of the UK" and "new Scotland" is as ridiculous as asking the Scots to vote on a half formed idea.

But I think pillorying the idea is wrong. Actually the aim is to have a fairer and more socially responsible Scotland not led by the greed of the English Westminster parties. Idealogical perhaps, but I reckon many on here would queue up for the equivalent were it an option. Frankly as much as operationally the who idea is a mess, philosophically the pro-independence lot have won the argument a million times over......

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

'Philosophically'?

[Prufrock]

Some of the views on here - I hope they are jokes because the nationalistic jingoism is pretty tiring if not.

I agree that it isn't clear how things will work. But that is on both sides and the idea that there wouldn't be any financial agreements or arrangements in place between the "remainder of the UK" and "new Scotland" is as ridiculous as asking the Scots to vote on a half formed idea.

But I think pillorying the idea is wrong. Actually the aim is to have a fairer and more socially responsible Scotland not led by the greed of the English Westminster parties. Idealogical perhaps, but I reckon many on here would queue up for the equivalent were it an option. Frankly as much as operationally the who idea is a mess, philosophically the pro-independence lot have won the argument a million times over......

No it isn't. The aim is to have Scotland as a separate country to the rest of Britain. One of the arguments they're making is that it would be 'fairer and more socially responsible' but that's not winning an argument, ideologically or otherwise. I've no doubt Cameron and Osbourne would say they want a 'fairer and more socially responsible' society, the question of course is what you mean by that. For that you need details, which the SNP are astonishingly short of.

And, whilst I loathe the fact that politics now seems to be an off-shoot of economics, it is absolutely fundamental to a question like 'should we be our own country'. The burden is on them to show it can work and if I were Scottish I'd no way be voting 'Yes' unless they had proper plans set out. Instead of blindly repeating the mantra 'we'll have the pound', I'd want 'we'd like to use the pound and this is the plan we'd have for that'. 'If we can't get the pound we'll try to do X' all the way down to 'worst case scenario we'd invent our own currency and this is how this would work...'. Ditto the oil. 'If we've got loads..X' 'if not...Y'.

Listening to quite a few of the pro-independence speakers, a lot of it sounds good, but anyone can promise the world.

[CrazyHorse]

Because the nationalistic jingoism displayed by the pro independence Scots with their borderline racist anti-English agenda bubbling just below the surface isn't equally as tiring?

[bobo the clown]

They have won no arguments ... largely because all they have done is chuck in the emotional one of "we want to be independent". There are no coherent economic or philosophical arguments as their fall back is either "we'll sort that out in the negotiations" or "we'll stick with what we have thank you very much .... even if you say we can't".

Philosophically they seem to like the idea of independence but to piggy back the comfortable things offered as a United nation. Philosophically they can't be independent yet use the £.

Philosophically they can't control their vile extreme elements and it'll be interesting to see how they develop if/when they lose the vote ("going forward" .... just for Kinty). Philosophically, after 300+ years of banging on about this, raising and re-raising it should they win will there be any re-votes 10, 20, 30 years on ? Just to see if people have changed their view once faced with the reality ? Not a chance.