Freedman out!

[bobo the clown]

The fact that he dropped a £7.5m lawsuit and issued an apology!! to Vincent Tan for pursuing the claim in the first place, suggests it has legs..

Cardiff have apparently had these messages for a good while now and are probably using it as part of their claim against Palace (ie; Moody had an agenda)

It's a little odd though that all parties settled, law-suits were dropped and apologies made ...... yet this now comes out. So there's been more going on, or discovered, I guess.

[boltonboris]

They're suing Moody (Mackay's old Cardiff chum, who they sacked and replaced with that 23 year old Kazakh football manager playing student) and Crystal Palace over that teamsheet leak thing..

Think they're proper going Sheff Utd / West Ham big bucks style claiming

[Prufrock]

Don't think so. There was a spat between them but no court case I think. In any case, false details of someone's private life is one thing, but stuff like this would leave them open to be sued for any lost wages etc he can show he could lose on account of it. As an ex-Premier League manager whose stock was v high they could have been astronomical.

I think often the DM is willing to risk having to pay a modest settlement out of court in order to push their lying shitbag agenda, this isn't in the same league.

Ah I don't know the ins and outs, I remember reading a few articles that the Mail printed false details of Clooney and a few other Hollywood types (some of whom are suing, I thought he was one of them). Either way, this would fall under false details of someone's private life if proven to be untrue.

It really wouldn't surprise me if it's true given the rumours around Malky, but for me personally, they'll possess more gravity when every article doesn't point to the Daily Mail as the sole source. What is that line in Tinker Tailor about there being enough truth in the chicken feed to lead people on? That's how they strike me, printing lots of $hit but with some crumbs of truth to make it all digestible.

Anyway I think this is getting slightly off track. Is Freedman still here? Has he sent any sinister texts that can be leaked?

I don't disagree on the DM in general, but as I say, this is different, and it isn't the same as false details of your private life. That Geroge Clooney stuff, they lying about his mother-in -law, isn't going to cost Clooney anything, so the potential damages he could get would be v small. Consequently, the DM are happy to write bullshit hoping they'll sell more papers than they'll have to pay out if they settle.

This is different. It could well cost Mackay the chance to manage at least in the Premier league and with it the several million pounds a year you can earn. So if it's untrue there will be a big multi-million pound figure he could sue for. That's why I'm sure that the DM are at least convinced it's true.

But yeah, I heard Freedman called Mel Giedroyc a slag.

That has to do it right? Bake-off is untouchable.

[EverSoYouri]

'Some of that had been down to the tactics employed on the night – with a long diagonal ball hit frequently towards target man Craig Davies – to mixed success.
It was a big departure from the possession-based football Freedman has become known for – '

Extract quoted from yesterday's Bolton News. Has someone been tampering with Mark Iles's medication? Long diagonal ball new tactic for Tuesday night? Known for possession-based football?

[Hoboh]

'Some of that had been down to the tactics employed on the night – with a long diagonal ball hit frequently towards target man Craig Davies – to mixed success.
It was a big departure from the possession-based football Freedman has become known for – '

Extract quoted from yesterday's Bolton News. Has someone been tampering with Mark Iles's medication? Long diagonal ball new tactic for Tuesday night? Known for possession-based football?

sucking up to the club sounds like!

[EverSoYouri]

Iles's piece also has these interesting stats:

Dougie Freedman's records at Wanderers and Palace after 92 games

Wanderers: played 92, won 32 drawn 32, lost 28, % 34.8
Crystal Palace: played 92, won 32, drawn 28, lost 32, %34.8

Which begs the question: why was Gartside so keen to get hold of a manager whose record was so underwhelming and whose employer at the time (with whom he had a long association) clearly had no wish to fight to hold onto?

[EverSoYouri]

'Some of that had been down to the tactics employed on the night – with a long diagonal ball hit frequently towards target man Craig Davies – to mixed success.
It was a big departure from the possession-based football Freedman has become known for – '

Extract quoted from yesterday's Bolton News. Has someone been tampering with Mark Iles's medication? Long diagonal ball new tactic for Tuesday night? Known for possession-based football?

sucking up to the club sounds like!

Missed the obvious...again! Drat!

[BWFC_Insane]

Iles's piece also has these interesting stats:

Dougie Freedman's records at Wanderers and Palace after 92 games

Wanderers: played 92, won 32 drawn 32, lost 28, % 34.8
Crystal Palace: played 92, won 32, drawn 28, lost 32, %34.8

Which begs the question: why was Gartside so keen to get hold of a manager whose record was so underwhelming and whose employer at the time (with whom he had a long association) clearly had no wish to fight to hold onto?

In what context? Taking over a Palace side coming out of admin fighting relegation battles with no money and only being able to bring in frees and develop kids? And leaving them top of the table.

I'm all for looking at some stats but without context they are absolutely meaningless.

[EverSoYouri]

Iles's piece also has these interesting stats:

Dougie Freedman's records at Wanderers and Palace after 92 games

Wanderers: played 92, won 32 drawn 32, lost 28, % 34.8
Crystal Palace: played 92, won 32, drawn 28, lost 32, %34.8

Which begs the question: why was Gartside so keen to get hold of a manager whose record was so underwhelming and whose employer at the time (with whom he had a long association) clearly had no wish to fight to hold onto?

In what context? Taking over a Palace side coming out of admin fighting relegation battles with no money and only being able to bring in frees and develop kids? And leaving them top of the table.

I'm all for looking at some stats but without context they are absolutely meaningless.

That's a very fair point, but the fact remains that the Palace board showed no desire to hold onto him. (and they seem to have done better since he left).
My main issue with Dougie is that it's hard to see evidence of progress or even of a man with a clear idea of what he's trying to do. Even when we made our run towards the play-offs with him (a while ago now), I often came away from games we'd won feeling we'd got lucky rather than earned it.
Word today is we're bringing in a talented young winger from Liverpool. Let's hope he does a job. Perhaps Freedman is the man to develop young players (in which case we should make him youth development coach rather than first team coach).

[ChrisC]

Iles's piece also has these interesting stats:

Dougie Freedman's records at Wanderers and Palace after 92 games

Wanderers: played 92, won 32 drawn 32, lost 28, % 34.8
Crystal Palace: played 92, won 32, drawn 28, lost 32, %34.8

Which begs the question: why was Gartside so keen to get hold of a manager whose record was so underwhelming and whose employer at the time (with whom he had a long association) clearly had no wish to fight to hold onto?

In what context? Taking over a Palace side coming out of admin fighting relegation battles with no money and only being able to bring in frees and develop kids? And leaving them top of the table.

I'm all for looking at some stats but without context they are absolutely meaningless.

That's a very fair point, but the fact remains that the Palace board showed no desire to hold onto him. (and they seem to have done better since he left).
My main issue with Dougie is that it's hard to see evidence of progress or even of a man with a clear idea of what he's trying to do. Even when we made our run towards the play-offs with him (a while ago now), I often came away from games we'd won feeling we'd got lucky rather than earned it.
Word today is we're bringing in a talented young winger from Liverpool. Let's hope he does a job. Perhaps Freedman is the man to develop young players (in which case we should make him youth development coach rather than first team coach).

I don't rate Dougie as much as the next fan but that isn't really true.. When he left Palace they were flying high. Holloway came in and tried his best to not get Palace up after looking dead certs under Dougie. When they got up they was lucky Holloway walked away and Pulis came in to save the day.

[jaffka]

Did palace go up under holloway?

[Bruce Rioja]

(and they seem to have done better since he left).

I don't rate Dougie as much as the next fan but that isn't really true.. When he left Palace they were flying high. Holloway came in and tried his best to not get Palace up after looking dead certs under Dougie. When they got up they was lucky Holloway walked away and Pulis came in to save the day.

So they've done better since he left then!

[ChrisC]

(and they seem to have done better since he left).

I don't rate Dougie as much as the next fan but that isn't really true.. When he left Palace they were flying high. Holloway came in and tried his best to not get Palace up after looking dead certs under Dougie. When they got up they was lucky Holloway walked away and Pulis came in to save the day.

So they've done better since he left then!

Technically yes but they would have more than likely been up automatically if Freedman had stayed rather then scraping the playoffs.

[Andy Waller]

Palace had a far better group of players then though?

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

(and they seem to have done better since he left).

I don't rate Dougie as much as the next fan but that isn't really true.. When he left Palace they were flying high. Holloway came in and tried his best to not get Palace up after looking dead certs under Dougie. When they got up they was lucky Holloway walked away and Pulis came in to save the day.

So they've done better since he left then!

Technically yes but they would have more than likely been up automatically if Freedman had stayed rather then scraping the playoffs.

You're making an assumption his teams can play for a whole season. His current lot can barely manage half a game

[LeverEnd]

He's going to have to do some serious public grovelling and accept a really shit job from a desperate club to get back after this.
We might have a chance of getting him.

if those texts are genuine - then I'd rather have Freedman.

I'm pretty sure they are genuine given the background that Boris mentioned.
And nor would I want him, just a little joke about our dire situation that managers apparently wouldn't touch with a barge pole.

I see Moody has just resigned. I think they are both royally fcuked. They were referring to specific players and other people, not just making daft jokes. I reckon there is more to come out as well. Tan will ruin them both and I can't say I have any sympathy.

Also BWFCI what are the rumours that you refer to re Mackay? I'm quite shocked, always thought he was OK.

[boltonboris]

Payments to agents

[LeverEnd]

Payments to agents

Well if they prove something is dodgy about that then he really is screwed. He can get a pundit job in the Middle east with Keys and Gray though, all is not lost.

[Bruce Rioja]

(and they seem to have done better since he left).

I don't rate Dougie as much as the next fan but that isn't really true.. When he left Palace they were flying high. Holloway came in and tried his best to not get Palace up after looking dead certs under Dougie. When they got up they was lucky Holloway walked away and Pulis came in to save the day.

So they've done better since he left then!

Technically yes but they would have more than likely been up automatically if Freedman had stayed rather then scraping the playoffs.

Yeah but, and it's hypothetical of course, but how would they have got on without Wilfred Thunderboots?

[jaffka]

Amazes me when people confidently predict what would have happened. The reality is though, who fecking knows.