Mario Jardel

[Riviman]

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The tubby one has gone into politics!

[EverSoYouri]

Connecting this to the "Southern Softies" thread (which I think is more about whether the club are set up to do the simple things right). Jardel is a case in point. He was clearly depressed (hence fat) when he arrived. Nevertheless, this was a big opportunity for both him and us. He may have been pigeon-toed and podgy, but he had a remarkable knack for finding space in a crowded penalty area.

Making a fuss of him, getting him some therapy (in Portuguese) to help him through his marriage problems, i.e. making him feel a bit loved-up, wouldn't have cost much and might have paid big dividends.

[bobo the clown]

Connecting this to the "Southern Softies" thread (which I think is more about whether the club are set up to do the simple things right). Jardel is a case in point. He was clearly depressed (hence fat) when he arrived. Nevertheless, this was a big opportunity for both him and us. He may have been pigeon-toed and podgy, but he had a remarkable knack for finding space in a crowded penalty area.

Making a fuss of him, getting him some therapy (in Portuguese) to help him through his marriage problems, i.e. making him feel a bit loved-up, wouldn't have cost much and might have paid big dividends.

Which was my view too.

He was obviously messed up and I'd bet we spent a small fortune on getting him here. Even with his limitations he showed his basic space-finding instincts a few times.

Regrettably we couldn't manage to sort him & his personal life and, we now know, his drink and cocaine use, were deeper set than we could deal with. The article said he went to 13 more clubs after us. I bet he can't recall half of them.

[Worthy4England]

Connecting this to the "Southern Softies" thread (which I think is more about whether the club are set up to do the simple things right). Jardel is a case in point. He was clearly depressed (hence fat) when he arrived. Nevertheless, this was a big opportunity for both him and us. He may have been pigeon-toed and podgy, but he had a remarkable knack for finding space in a crowded penalty area.

Making a fuss of him, getting him some therapy (in Portuguese) to help him through his marriage problems, i.e. making him feel a bit loved-up, wouldn't have cost much and might have paid big dividends.

Which was my view too.

He was obviously messed up and I'd bet we spent a small fortune on getting him here. Even with his limitations he showed his basic space-finding instincts a few times.

Regrettably we couldn't manage to sort him & his personal life and, we now know, his drink and cocaine use, were deeper set than we could deal with. The article said he went to 13 more clubs after us. I bet he can't recall half of them.

It only showed, because he needed so fecking much of it.

[bobo the clown]

^^ real LOL then W.

[EverSoYouri]

Connecting this to the "Southern Softies" thread (which I think is more about whether the club are set up to do the simple things right). Jardel is a case in point. He was clearly depressed (hence fat) when he arrived. Nevertheless, this was a big opportunity for both him and us. He may have been pigeon-toed and podgy, but he had a remarkable knack for finding space in a crowded penalty area.

Making a fuss of him, getting him some therapy (in Portuguese) to help him through his marriage problems, i.e. making him feel a bit loved-up, wouldn't have cost much and might have paid big dividends.

Which was my view too.

He was obviously messed up and I'd bet we spent a small fortune on getting him here. Even with his limitations he showed his basic space-finding instincts a few times.

Regrettably we couldn't manage to sort him & his personal life and, we now know, his drink and cocaine use, were deeper set than we could deal with. The article said he went to 13 more clubs after us. I bet he can't recall half of them.

It only showed, because he needed so fecking much of it.

Lol! (On a serious note - if Bobo is right, maybe I'm being unfair on the club. {perhaps Jardel was past saving.)

[Worthy4England]

I think when we signed him (2003), we still had a good record after that of integrating foreign signings, probably all the way until we put Ream up in Nando's for six months.

[EverSoYouri]

I think when we signed him (2003), we still had a good record after that of integrating foreign signings, probably all the way until we put Ream up in Nando's for six months.

That said, Sam always struck me as much more impatient with strikers. Seem to remember Jardel skying a late chance (v Brum?) and Sam, rather than saying "he found the space' or "he'll come good in the end" or some such, concluded in his post match interview "He had a chance to be the hero but missed it."

[Bruce Rioja]

I think when we signed him (2003), we still had a good record after that of integrating foreign signings, probably all the way until we put Ream up in Nando's for six months.

That said, Sam always struck me as much more impatient with strikers. Seem to remember Jardel skying a late chance (v Brum?) and Sam, rather than saying "he found the space' or "he'll come good in the end" or some such, concluded in his post match interview "He had a chance to be the hero but missed it."

Southampton, I think.

[Worthy4England]

I think when we signed him (2003), we still had a good record after that of integrating foreign signings, probably all the way until we put Ream up in Nando's for six months.

That said, Sam always struck me as much more impatient with strikers. Seem to remember Jardel skying a late chance (v Brum?) and Sam, rather than saying "he found the space' or "he'll come good in the end" or some such, concluded in his post match interview "He had a chance to be the hero but missed it."

Yes, I was never quite sure why we didn't see a bit more of Borghetti.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

I think when we signed him (2003), we still had a good record after that of integrating foreign signings, probably all the way until we put Ream up in Nando's for six months.

That said, Sam always struck me as much more impatient with strikers. Seem to remember Jardel skying a late chance (v Brum?) and Sam, rather than saying "he found the space' or "he'll come good in the end" or some such, concluded in his post match interview "He had a chance to be the hero but missed it."

Yes, I was never quite sure why we didn't see a bit more of Borghetti.

I was, although I didn't agree with it. Borgetti was a penalty-box poacher, not a line-leading hard worker. In his prime KD worked immensely hard and was an easy out from anywhere on the pitch (in later years, as he and the team declined, this became self-defeating one-dimensional obviousness). That played into Allardyce's theory of maximisation: if KD can cover the front zone and the two supporting wide attackers can drop back into midfield, we can effectively outnumber opponents in key areas.

That system doesn't support blokes who do little but score penalty-area goals, as many strikers have found out since the widespread abandonment of two up top: even Ruud van Nistelrooy (150 goals in 200 games) found out when Fergie went to five in midfield and sold him. It worked too, sadly: after one league win in five years with the horse-faced Dutchman, they won it the next three seasons after he left.

[StaffsTrotter]

I think when we signed him (2003), we still had a good record after that of integrating foreign signings, probably all the way until we put Ream up in Nando's for six months.

That said, Sam always struck me as much more impatient with strikers. Seem to remember Jardel skying a late chance (v Brum?) and Sam, rather than saying "he found the space' or "he'll come good in the end" or some such, concluded in his post match interview "He had a chance to be the hero but missed it."

Yes, I was never quite sure why we didn't see a bit more of Borghetti.

I was, although I didn't agree with it. Borgetti was a penalty-box poacher, not a line-leading hard worker. In his prime KD worked immensely hard and was an easy out from anywhere on the pitch (in later years, as he and the team declined, this became self-defeating one-dimensional obviousness). That played into Allardyce's theory of maximisation: if KD can cover the front zone and the two supporting wide attackers can drop back into midfield, we can effectively outnumber opponents in key areas.

That system doesn't support blokes who do little but score penalty-area goals, as many strikers have found out since the widespread abandonment of two up top: even Ruud van Nistelrooy (150 goals in 200 games) found out when Fergie went to five in midfield and sold him. It worked too, sadly: after one league win in five years with the horse-faced Dutchman, they won it the next three seasons after he left.

spot on dsb. the mix of skd & nolan as a goalscoring midfielder was a fantastic combo

Must have been baffling for the likes of borgetti who even in his brief cameos scored some great goals - shipped halfway around the world not to play much

[EverSoYouri]

I think when we signed him (2003), we still had a good record after that of integrating foreign signings, probably all the way until we put Ream up in Nando's for six months.

That said, Sam always struck me as much more impatient with strikers. Seem to remember Jardel skying a late chance (v Brum?) and Sam, rather than saying "he found the space' or "he'll come good in the end" or some such, concluded in his post match interview "He had a chance to be the hero but missed it."

Yes, I was never quite sure why we didn't see a bit more of Borghetti.

I was, although I didn't agree with it. Borgetti was a penalty-box poacher, not a line-leading hard worker. In his prime KD worked immensely hard and was an easy out from anywhere on the pitch (in later years, as he and the team declined, this became self-defeating one-dimensional obviousness). That played into Allardyce's theory of maximisation: if KD can cover the front zone and the two supporting wide attackers can drop back into midfield, we can effectively outnumber opponents in key areas.

That system doesn't support blokes who do little but score penalty-area goals, as many strikers have found out since the widespread abandonment of two up top: even Ruud van Nistelrooy (150 goals in 200 games) found out when Fergie went to five in midfield and sold him. It worked too, sadly: after one league win in five years with the horse-faced Dutchman, they won it the next three seasons after he left.

For a moment there I thought - 'what? There was a period when they only won one league game in five years? How the feck did I miss that golden era??!!'

[Worthy4England]

We couldn't get that lucky.

[Bruce Rioja]

I remember Borgetti being man of the match when we beat City once playing him as a front line poacher. It was a joy to watch.

[Mar]

I think Mario Jardel had a 1 in 3 record for us at the time he left us. A decent return based on the number of games he played. Could tell he had the knack of getting in the right places but it was clear that something was wrong.

Hard to tell what would've happened had we managed to sort him out mentally.

(arguably the more famous version of Michael Ricketts as that move to Real Madrid never materialized for Jardel)

[malcd1]

One of the best players to play for Bolton Wanderers. All right he had a few problems when he was with us but a great player in his time.

[Bruno3]

Are we talking about the same Mario Jardel that I remember? - the overweight lump that could hardly run??

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Are we talking about the same Mario Jardel that I remember? - the overweight lump that could hardly run??

That description could have applied to a few in recent seasons

[bobo the clown]

Are we talking about the same Mario Jardel that I remember? - the overweight lump that could hardly run??

Could hardly run !!!! ????

His running used to make my day. He sort of ran like an older dad in the school sports day Parent's Race .... and when he gave up a 'chase' he skipped to a halt with his arms swinging in what can only be described as a camp manner. Wonderful to watch.