The Politics Thread

[Hoboh]

According to the latest statistics, based on data collected at the start of 2013, there are around 4.9m businesses currently operating in the UK.

The Confederation of British Industry is a UK business organisation, speaking for some 1500 direct members, including companies, many universities and other public bodies as well as trade association members.

Who gives a fcuk that 80% of a small, overblown, up it's own ass, band of villains would vote to stay in the EU? Why does anyone waste time on this bunch of tax avoiding pricks who hardly speak for their own workforce never mind their owners the shareholders.

On another subject

Chuka Umunna,
No chance!
Umunna was one of 73 Labour MPs to nominate Ed Miliband in the 2010 Labour leadership election to find a successor to Gordon Brown.
I got private education and I'm a lawyer (Yeah likable just the same as tax inspectors and traffic wardens) so I know all about working life.

Yvette Cooper
She's a Jock,
She is married to fellow Labour politician Ed Balls so she should be Yvette Balls!
Look at her career she hardly has any experience outside of politics.

Alan Johnson
Now reading his background I can see a true proper socialist in this bloke and not lipstick ones like the two above, actually think he's what labour need to connect back to their roots

[Worthy4England]

The CBI represents businesses that cover around a third of the private workforce. So I could see how you could say that wasn't at all representative of anything, compared to say UKIP who have 35,000 members which is around 0.07% of the electorate.

Who gives a fcuk that a party with less than 0.08% of the electorate as members think it's a good idea not to be in the EU (I've rounded it up a bit to allow for Darryl Hannan who isn't a member)? At least they manage to speak for some of their members (but probably not all of them)...

[Lord Kangana]

I personally think they speak as members, but there you go.

[Hoboh]

The CBI represents businesses that cover around a third of the private workforce. So I could see how you could say that wasn't at all representative of anything, compared to say UKIP who have 35,000 members which is around 0.07% of the electorate.

Who gives a fcuk that a party with less than 0.08% of the electorate as members think it's a good idea not to be in the EU (I've rounded it up a bit to allow for Darryl Hannan who isn't a member)? At least they manage to speak for some of their members (but probably not all of them)...

Your playing with it Worthy

The CBI represents businesses that cover around a third of the private workforce

They represent about a third of directors of private companies and they are not a democratic institution you can vote for.
Do try harder.

[Hoboh]

I personally think they speak as members, but there you go.

Agreed, limp members

[Worthy4England]

The CBI represents businesses that cover around a third of the private workforce. So I could see how you could say that wasn't at all representative of anything, compared to say UKIP who have 35,000 members which is around 0.07% of the electorate.

Who gives a fcuk that a party with less than 0.08% of the electorate as members think it's a good idea not to be in the EU (I've rounded it up a bit to allow for Darryl Hannan who isn't a member)? At least they manage to speak for some of their members (but probably not all of them)...

Your playing with it Worthy

The CBI represents businesses that cover around a third of the private workforce

They represent about a third of directors of private companies and they are not a democratic institution you can vote for.
Do try harder.

Give over. You picked them out because they happen to think differently than you. The good news is, if they're that insignificant, there's no problem with it, so not really worth you mentioning it. Are you suggesting in your crusade (which I think you've mentioned on multiple occasions) should be more democratic, that this group should just shut up, because they don't have the same view as you?

I'm surprised we're not getting levied an additional EU bullshit tax with all the posts you make...

[Hoboh]

The CBI represents businesses that cover around a third of the private workforce. So I could see how you could say that wasn't at all representative of anything, compared to say UKIP who have 35,000 members which is around 0.07% of the electorate.

Who gives a fcuk that a party with less than 0.08% of the electorate as members think it's a good idea not to be in the EU (I've rounded it up a bit to allow for Darryl Hannan who isn't a member)? At least they manage to speak for some of their members (but probably not all of them)...

Your playing with it Worthy

The CBI represents businesses that cover around a third of the private workforce

They represent about a third of directors of private companies and they are not a democratic institution you can vote for.
Do try harder.

Give over. You picked them out because they happen to think differently than you. The good news is, if they're that insignificant, there's no problem with it, so not really worth you mentioning it. Are you suggesting in your crusade (which I think you've mentioned on multiple occasions) should be more democratic, that this group should just shut up, because they don't have the same view as you?

I'm surprised we're not getting levied an additional EU bullshit tax with all the posts you make...

Sore loser

Actually I have nothing against the CBI except the overblown importance they are given by some.

[Hoboh]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... l-election" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The cuts being planned for the second parliament are likely to be tougher to sell politically partly because the public is not as prepared as in 2010 in the aftermath of the global financial crisis. Tax receipts are also lower than had been anticipated, partly because of changes in the labour market, such as an increase in the number of young people in low-paid employment and in the numbers of self-employed.

A commitment by Cameron to protect spending on the NHS from cuts would mean that the impact will be felt more severely elsewhere. Cuts will again squeeze the police, the Ministry of Defence, legal aid and the business department including further education funding, student maintenance loans and science research.

Is there no end to the stupidity of these bastards?
Seems we cannot afford your wars Davey boy, nor drug enforcement or anything at all!
How come the rich chums get fatter while everyone else starves?

[Worthy4England]

The CBI represents businesses that cover around a third of the private workforce. So I could see how you could say that wasn't at all representative of anything, compared to say UKIP who have 35,000 members which is around 0.07% of the electorate.

Who gives a fcuk that a party with less than 0.08% of the electorate as members think it's a good idea not to be in the EU (I've rounded it up a bit to allow for Darryl Hannan who isn't a member)? At least they manage to speak for some of their members (but probably not all of them)...

Your playing with it Worthy

The CBI represents businesses that cover around a third of the private workforce

They represent about a third of directors of private companies and they are not a democratic institution you can vote for.
Do try harder.

Give over. You picked them out because they happen to think differently than you. The good news is, if they're that insignificant, there's no problem with it, so not really worth you mentioning it. Are you suggesting in your crusade (which I think you've mentioned on multiple occasions) should be more democratic, that this group should just shut up, because they don't have the same view as you?

I'm surprised we're not getting levied an additional EU bullshit tax with all the posts you make...

Sore loser

Actually I have nothing against the CBI except the overblown importance they are given by some.

You mean when they disagree with you?

I don't think I've lost anything so don't feel particularly sore.

[Hoboh]

The CBI represents businesses that cover around a third of the private workforce. So I could see how you could say that wasn't at all representative of anything, compared to say UKIP who have 35,000 members which is around 0.07% of the electorate.

Who gives a fcuk that a party with less than 0.08% of the electorate as members think it's a good idea not to be in the EU (I've rounded it up a bit to allow for Darryl Hannan who isn't a member)? At least they manage to speak for some of their members (but probably not all of them)...

Your playing with it Worthy

The CBI represents businesses that cover around a third of the private workforce

They represent about a third of directors of private companies and they are not a democratic institution you can vote for.
Do try harder.

Give over. You picked them out because they happen to think differently than you. The good news is, if they're that insignificant, there's no problem with it, so not really worth you mentioning it. Are you suggesting in your crusade (which I think you've mentioned on multiple occasions) should be more democratic, that this group should just shut up, because they don't have the same view as you?

I'm surprised we're not getting levied an additional EU bullshit tax with all the posts you make...

Sore loser

Actually I have nothing against the CBI except the overblown importance they are given by some.

You mean when they disagree with you?

I don't think I've lost anything so don't feel particularly sore.

Listen to the CBI and bankers and get 30 billion cuts

[Prufrock]

Importance by whom? You quoted them?

4.9m businesses? That's one for every fifteen people. Either we're counting the dormant companies owned by nutters who have 20 dormant companies so they can swell their heads claiming to be director of 20 companies, or we're including domiciled companies who I'm sure you'll agree, being foreign, don't represent popular opinion. I'd be much more likely to give weight to Worthy's point that they employ 1/3rd of the work-force in deciding whether or not they're representative. Doesn't mean I'd agree with them, but they carry more weight than 1 seat in parliament.

[Prufrock]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... l-election

The cuts being planned for the second parliament are likely to be tougher to sell politically partly because the public is not as prepared as in 2010 in the aftermath of the global financial crisis. Tax receipts are also lower than had been anticipated, partly because of changes in the labour market, such as an increase in the number of young people in low-paid employment and in the numbers of self-employed.

A commitment by Cameron to protect spending on the NHS from cuts would mean that the impact will be felt more severely elsewhere. Cuts will again squeeze the police, the Ministry of Defence, legal aid and the business department including further education funding, student maintenance loans and science research.

Is there no end to the stupidity of these bastards?
Seems we cannot afford your wars Davey boy, nor drug enforcement or anything at all!
How come the rich chums get fatter while everyone else starves?

That's a bit red.

[Hoboh]

Importance by whom? You quoted them?

4.9m businesses? That's one for every fifteen people. Either we're counting the dormant companies owned by nutters who have 20 dormant companies so they can swell their heads claiming to be director of 20 companies, or we're including domiciled companies who I'm sure you'll agree, being foreign, don't represent popular opinion. I'd be much more likely to give weight to Worthy's point that they employ 1/3rd of the work-force in deciding whether or not they're representative. Doesn't mean I'd agree with them, but they carry more weight than 1 seat in parliament.

Soon to be two and maybe a few more before May

[Prufrock]

I dunno what to make of this:



Firstly, whilst when rarely exposed to him I find Russel Brand charming, he's currently doing my head in because he's appearing seemingly everywhere as the left's "answer to Boris Johnson" despite being nowhere near as clever as he thinks he is, a full-on spiritualist and that question not needing an answer. More, I give absolutely no credit to anyone simply for "having the nuts to laugh at himself".

Nevertheless, I bloody love the rubberbandits. So...you know.

PS. This counts as politics now. Not like before, with John Lennon.

[Worthy4England]

Listen to the CBI and bankers and get 30 billion cuts

Hold on. You've moved again. When you started this, there seemed to be some problem with the CBI representing their members on the topic of the EU - which I think democratically they have every right to do. Now you're on about the cuts we're still facing which were predominantly caused by businesses. So diddly squat to do with the EU. Please ask your cat what you're trying to argue here and we'll see if we can make any more fcking sense of it.

[Hoboh]

Listen to the CBI and bankers and get 30 billion cuts

Hold on. You've moved again. When you started this, there seemed to be some problem with the CBI representing their members on the topic of the EU - which I think democratically they have every right to do. Now you're on about the cuts we're still facing which were predominantly caused by businesses. So diddly squat to do with the EU. Please ask your cat what you're trying to argue here and we'll see if we can make any more fcking sense of it.

You should stop trying to be clever, I have not said the CBI has no right to speak for it's members, merely the press and Europhiles such as yourself and the odd looney who drops in from time to time put the case across as if they represent all the employees which clearly they don't. In my experience over the thirty odd years or so, most employees view the CBI as the gaffers union or the union of toffs, not interested in the country's well being only their balance sheets.
Cuts have nothing to do with the EU? FFS if we stopped pouring money hand over fist into an alien system we wouldn't have to be making these cuts, add up how many billions have gone this way since membership so French peasant farmers and a whole host of never do wells enjoy the spoils, I'd wager it would be frightening.
I rather chat with my cat than the half wits you must mix with, she makes more fcking sense.

[Worthy4England]

Listen to the CBI and bankers and get 30 billion cuts

Hold on. You've moved again. When you started this, there seemed to be some problem with the CBI representing their members on the topic of the EU - which I think democratically they have every right to do. Now you're on about the cuts we're still facing which were predominantly caused by businesses. So diddly squat to do with the EU. Please ask your cat what you're trying to argue here and we'll see if we can make any more fcking sense of it.

You should stop trying to be clever, I have not said the CBI has no right to speak for it's members, merely the press and Europhiles such as yourself and the odd looney who drops in from time to time put the case across as if they represent all the employees which clearly they don't. In my experience over the thirty odd years or so, most employees view the CBI as the gaffers union or the union of toffs, not interested in the country's well being only their balance sheets.
Cuts have nothing to do with the EU? FFS if we stopped pouring money hand over fist into an alien system we wouldn't have to be making these cuts, add up how many billions have gone this way since membership so French peasant farmers and a whole host of never do wells enjoy the spoils, I'd wager it would be frightening.
I rather chat with my cat than the half wits you must mix with, she makes more fcking sense.

Can you remember what you posted yesterday morning, or is that a bit of a stretch for you?

Who gives a fcuk that 80% of a small, overblown, up it's own ass, band of villains would vote to stay in the EU? Why does anyone waste time on this bunch of tax avoiding pricks who hardly speak for their own workforce never mind their owners the shareholders

That seemed to be suggesting that they should just shut up and go away because apparently nobody cares about what they have to say. Of course they're not an employees union and don't represent the workforce - which doesn't alter the fact that their members actually employ a fair proportion of it. You would think that they would and should have a view on how being in or being out of the EU would effect their members balance sheets and ergo a fair proportion of our economic performance.

The last bit on the cuts being impacted by our EU membership is where, as ever, I always have a few problems - where is your 30 million coming from? What does the number represent? I assumed because you'd linked it directly to the CBI and Bankers that is must've referred to the 2008 meltdown as you associated the two things in the same sentence. It was only a short sentence, so I could have been wrong as I'd need to know how your mind worked and I think that would take medical training and suchlike, so perhaps you can help us out a little.

I'll stop trying to be clever, if you start trying to be clever - does that work for you?

[thebish]

^ this just isn't a fair fight!

[Worthy4England]

http://www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/rp13-42.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This is the latest (I think) Government Briefing paper on the subject. I'm sure there's plenty of random quotes Hobes can cut n paste from it.

[Hoboh]

But Major challenged Merkel and other EU leaders who have said that they cannot countenance any change to the free movement of people on the grounds that it is one of the four freedoms enshrined in the EEC’s founding Treaty of Rome in 1957, those being the free movement of people, capital, goods and services.

The former prime minister said EU leaders were in no position to offer lectures on the four freedoms because the other three have never been properly implemented.
He said: “I hear it said by eminent Europeans that freedom of movement is sacrosanct. It is one of the four freedoms set out in the founding treaty. The argument is that if we tamper with freedom of movement, the other freedoms will fall.
“I understand that view but it has a flaw. Twenty-five years after the Single European Act, the other founding freedoms are not fully honoured by the EU. Not one of them. If freedom of movement is immutable, when will member states complete the single market? When will they end closed shops and protectionism, and open their markets to British services – especially our professional services? When will they fully integrate capital markets? Or the energy market? Or digital? Need I go on? If these had been implemented in full, then Britain’s case on free movement would be weakened. But they are not.”

Seems one of the British 'Godfathers' of the EU agrees it doesn't deliver!