Huddersfield Town v BWFC, 28th Dec match thread

[Jugs]

Handball or not, it was criminal from Trotter.

Aye, Lennon should stop avoiding the real issue.

[goffy7167]

Lennon said in his interview before the Blackburn match that "half the squad had come down with Flu" this may be the reason that they maybe were not at 100%. Two games in three days is asking a lot when you are under the weather!! It was certainly the reason Eidur was coughing and spluttering after the first game!!

[boltonboris]

Handball or not, it was criminal from Trotter.

Aye, Lennon should stop avoiding the real issue.

Would rather him have a go at the ref, than publicly criticise a player!!

[Jugs]

I would rather he had tackled the real issue earlier in the game.

Either way, you don't have to publicly criticise a player - though Redknapp would argue otherwise - but nor do you need to cover up an individuals failings by blaming the ref. That's just bad form, a la Mourinho. This was not the ref's fault.

[boltonboris]

I would rather he had tackled the real issue earlier in the game.

Either way, you don't have to publicly criticise a player - though Redknapp would argue otherwise - but nor do you need to cover up an individuals failings by blaming the ref. That's just bad form, a la Mourinho. This was not the ref's fault.

Not a bad manager though eh?! Besides, because of the siege mentality he creates, by doing such things, his players run through walls for him

[Jugs]

Hmm, I get what you're saying, but honestly, the idea of a manager papering over Trotter's mistakes yesterday would seriously annoy me. It needs to be acknowledged that he was awful, and this acknowledgement could either have been via substituting him way before the 90th minute, or at least recognising post-match that conceding possession needlessly cost us big time.

[jaffka]

Hmm, I get what you're saying, but honestly, the idea of a manager papering over Trotter's mistakes yesterday would seriously annoy me. It needs to be acknowledged that he was awful, and this acknowledgement could either have been via substituting him way before the 90th minute, or at least recognising post-match that conceding possession needlessly cost us big time.

Do you know what's being said behind closed doors, where these things will/can be said?

If you are expecting a public crucifying, get a letter wrote to Santa quick asking for some reality tablets.

[Jugs]

Feck me, I'm not asking for a public crucifying, I'm simply saying that, rather than blame the ref for things that didn't actually happen - there was no handball - it might be best to point out that we lost the game ourselves.

[twilight]

Usually Lennon is pretty accurate and truthful in his interviews, as most people would agree?. I don't think he is papering over the cracks and defending Trotter, I think he's saying what he thought he saw, during the match is all.
Also think he is giving Trotter some game time, like he did Beckford. Don't think he'll last long though, just my opinion

[Enoch]

Are we talking about the same Trotter that came on and turned the game at Millwall a couple of weeks ago?

[twilight]

Are we talking about the same Trotter that came on and turned the game at Millwall a couple of weeks ago?

I'm glad you can pick out 1 game Enoch out of how many? To be fair he hasn't played that many, but I wonder why?

[plymouth wanderer]

If lennon can turn pratley who was rated by many as one of our worst players into a key player!!! I think trotter deserves a little more time.

[twilight]

If lennon can turn pratley who was rated by many as one of our worst players into a key player!!! I think trotter deserves a little more time.

Pratley has a good engine and covers a lot of ground, even when he was being called the worst player. I don't see anything in Trotter, but again thats my opinion. Hopefully he can go out on loan if anybody wants him

[jaffka]

Feck me, I'm not asking for a public crucifying, I'm simply saying that, rather than blame the ref for things that didn't actually happen - there was no handball - it might be best to point out that we lost the game ourselves.

and football is a game of opinions, your opinions clearly differ.

are you pissed off with Lennon?

[Jugs]

I'm pissed off he didn't hook Trotter sooner than he did, like a lot of people probably were. If ever there was a game where individual errors were gonna cost us, it was yesterday. Trotter just wasn't at it, always seemed a matter of time before he gave another key ball away. Does Lennon know he should have taken Trotter off? Don't know.

Normally Lennon says it as it is, but yesterday, instead of laying blame at individual errors - don't need to mention individuals by name - he chose to blame the officials for some reason or another. I'd rather he blamed our individual errors.

[LeverEnd]

When Trotter arrived he was unfit but DF chucked him in anyway and he was dreadful. At the start of this season he wasn't great but nor was anyone. I was at the Crewe game (Bobo was next to me and will disagree!) and thought he was playing well when he got injured. He's just back, and was poor on Saturday, as were most of teammates. He wasn't terrible, and showed some good touches. I can see potential in him and think he could be a useful squad player if he gets fit. He's by no means a first pick in my ideal 11, but I'm reserving judgement and willing to give him more of a chance.
I think that unless we are title favourites, we shouldn't be looking for mistakes, and at what players can't do rather than what they can. If Pratley was good on the ball he'd be a Prem regular, same with Mavies if he were physically robust enough to play more than 10 games in a row. We're a mid table 2nd tier side scrapping for every point. Then again I defended Ngog, Sordell and Beckford, what do I know?!

[Hoboh]

When Trotter arrived he was unfit but DF chucked him in anyway and he was dreadful. At the start of this season he wasn't great but nor was anyone. I was at the Crewe game (Bobo was next to me and will disagree!) and thought he was playing well when he got injured. He's just back, and was poor on Saturday, as were most of teammates. He wasn't terrible, and showed some good touches. I can see potential in him and think he could be a useful squad player if he gets fit. He's by no means a first pick in my ideal 11, but I'm reserving judgement and willing to give him more of a chance.
I think that unless we are title favourites, we shouldn't be looking for mistakes, and at what players can't do rather than what they can. If Pratley was good on the ball he'd be a Prem regular, same with Mavies if he were physically robust enough to play more than 10 games in a row. We're a mid table 2nd tier side scrapping for every point. Then again I defended Ngog, Sordell and Beckford, what do I know?!

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[TANGODANCER]

Does seem odd that such a battery of front-runners have failed to work out at Bolton. The afore-mentioned Sordell, N'gog, Beckford, before him, the Arsenal kid, Afeobi?etc, and the one we did rate, Juke, we had to lose and now Mason and Craig Davies are both unfit. Makes you realise what a gem of a front man we had in Kevin Davies.

[Hoboh]

Does seem odd that such a battery of front-runners have failed to work out at Bolton. The afore-mentioned Sordell, N'gog, Beckford, before him, the Arsenal kid, Afeobi?etc, and the one we did rate, Juke, we had to lose and now Mason and Craig Davies are both unfit. Makes you realise what a gem of a front man we had in Kevin Davies.

I liked SKD Tango but would you really, now, at the level Keith is aiming for? I know about Heskey and Eider but long term I doubt either will be here.

[Enoch]

Then I won't mention Charlton last season when Trotter was our best player.

Thing is, I only see about five or six Bolton games a season, likely I'm just unlucky and catch some folk on their rare good days. Accordingly I can only judge on what I see, as opposed to what the received wisdom might be.

What I've seen of Trotter, including in a Millwall shirt, suggests to me he's not bad at the level we're playing. That doesn't necessarily mean he's any good, it just means when I read folk berating the guy it doesn't stand up against what I've witnessed myself. Similarly, I've yet to see Pratley have a bad game. I've seen him control the ball with his shin a good few times, but I look past that and see the positive stuff he brings to the side.

I don't expect anyone else to agree with me, but I do get the impression some players, for whatever reason, become unfashionable and are criticised come what may. Just as others achieve plaudits that outweigh their contribution because they are fashionable.