Shooting in Paris at satirical mag

[Lost Leopard Spot]

#I am a filthy kuff

[Worthy4England]

The Ukip leader, Nigel Farage, has drawn criticism for blaming the Charlie Hebdo terror attack by Islamist extremists on a “really rather gross policy of multiculturalism” in the west.

The politician claimed there was now a “fifth column” operating in the UK, which, though small, was trying to undermine British society. As he argued against multiculturalism, he also brought up the grooming of children in south Yorkshire by men mainly of Muslim Pakistani heritage.

Several senior politicians condemned his remarks including Nick Clegg, who said he was dismayed that the first reaction of Farage was to make political points about the shooting.
He was asked you nowhere man Muppet!!!
Labour former cabinet minister Tessa Jowell saying they were “sickening comments” as the murder of innocent people is “criminal, plain and simple”.
Oh really simple is it slack Jowells? Nothing to do with people committing this crime in the name of a sky fairy, that's irrelevant is it? Still as PC as ever then, the day we are rid of your type the better chance we have of sorting the mess out! I'd bet your name was on the open borders mass immigration by labour wasn't it.

Perhaps the time has come to rip down all churches, synagogues, Mosques and chapels and declare a secular non religious society?
You can still believe in sky pixies if you like but in private and certainly your views will not be allowed to be taught in our education system.
Ban all religious clothing of all faiths would be a good start, your in the West not Pakistan or Iraq or where ever!

I wouldn't mind the UK being secular as a country. But why should I allow you to rip down my church (whichever it may be) - then you're dictating how and where I practice my faith - so frankly you can fcuk right off. Oh and I don't know whether you count the cross as part of clothing but if I want to wear one, I'm going to.

Why should people have to pander to secularism? I don't have any objections to people not believing in God, Father Christmas, The Tooth Fairy or whatever, but why should I have to be like that?

[thebish]

Perhaps the time has come to rip down all churches, synagogues, Mosques and chapels and declare a secular non religious society?
You can still believe in sky pixies if you like but in private and certainly your views will not be allowed to be taught in our education system.
Ban all religious clothing of all faiths would be a good start, your in the West not Pakistan or Iraq or where ever!

that's a great response to a brutal, murderous attack on free speech! bravo!

[Hoboh]

The Ukip leader, Nigel Farage, has drawn criticism for blaming the Charlie Hebdo terror attack by Islamist extremists on a “really rather gross policy of multiculturalism” in the west.

The politician claimed there was now a “fifth column” operating in the UK, which, though small, was trying to undermine British society. As he argued against multiculturalism, he also brought up the grooming of children in south Yorkshire by men mainly of Muslim Pakistani heritage.

Several senior politicians condemned his remarks including Nick Clegg, who said he was dismayed that the first reaction of Farage was to make political points about the shooting.
He was asked you nowhere man Muppet!!!
Labour former cabinet minister Tessa Jowell saying they were “sickening comments” as the murder of innocent people is “criminal, plain and simple”.
Oh really simple is it slack Jowells? Nothing to do with people committing this crime in the name of a sky fairy, that's irrelevant is it? Still as PC as ever then, the day we are rid of your type the better chance we have of sorting the mess out! I'd bet your name was on the open borders mass immigration by labour wasn't it.

Perhaps the time has come to rip down all churches, synagogues, Mosques and chapels and declare a secular non religious society?
You can still believe in sky pixies if you like but in private and certainly your views will not be allowed to be taught in our education system.
Ban all religious clothing of all faiths would be a good start, your in the West not Pakistan or Iraq or where ever!

I wouldn't mind the UK being secular as a country. But why should I allow you to rip down my church (whichever it may be) - then you're dictating how and where I practice my faith - so frankly you can fcuk right off. Oh and I don't know whether you count the cross as part of clothing but if I want to wear one, I'm going to.

Why should people have to pander to secularism? I don't have any objections to people not believing in God, Father Christmas, The Tooth Fairy or whatever, but why should I have to be like that?

And you can fcuk off too if you think you should have the right to have exclusive schools to keep spreading your faith and tying to influence non believers to your mind set!
What's the big kick in gathering together to celebrate mythical figures that some choose to go murdering in the name of them?
You are always preaching the virtues of a modern joined up world yet you drag ancient cults along with you
One does not fit with the other.

[Hoboh]

Perhaps the time has come to rip down all churches, synagogues, Mosques and chapels and declare a secular non religious society?
You can still believe in sky pixies if you like but in private and certainly your views will not be allowed to be taught in our education system.
Ban all religious clothing of all faiths would be a good start, your in the West not Pakistan or Iraq or where ever!

that's a great response to a brutal, murderous attack on free speech! bravo!

Nothing to do with free speech more to do with subversive ancient practises that support murder, the Old testament is hardly bloodless nor is the God that smites cities because he doesn't like what's going on!

[thebish]

I think it was to do with free speech. journalists were murdered because they worked at a magazine that did its right and proper job of caricaturing and satirizing...

the state stopping Worthy from peacefully practising his religion in his church - or peacefully wearing his cross as he goes about his daily life is also an attack on free-speech and free-expression (as - strangely enough for a country now vowing to defend free speech and freedom of expression to the end - is France's decision to ban Muslim women from wearing certain types of non-murderous clothing in the street.)

[Prufrock]

I think Hobe's point was that has ban had nothing to do with freedom of speech, which I suppose technically might be true, but it would handily be caught as you say by freedom of expression.

Though faith schools can f*ck off, mind.

[thebish]

I think Hobe's point was that has ban had nothing to do with freedom of speech, which I suppose technically might be true, but it would handily be caught as you say by freedom of expression.

Though faith schools can f*ck off, mind.

I kinda agree about faith schools - though perhaps not quite so passionately - and I'd also mention in the footnotes that it was the once only the church that considered ordinary peasant-class children worth educating...(in fact - it was considered dangerous to educate them less they realise they were being held in servitude!) It took a long time for the state to catch up with the church's vision...

[Prufrock]

Indeed, but the times they have a-changed.

[thebish]

Indeed, but the times they have a-changed.

indeed - footnote! but something, I think, worth recognising... we stand on the shoulders of giants, and all that...

[Worthy4England]

The Ukip leader, Nigel Farage, has drawn criticism for blaming the Charlie Hebdo terror attack by Islamist extremists on a “really rather gross policy of multiculturalism” in the west.

The politician claimed there was now a “fifth column” operating in the UK, which, though small, was trying to undermine British society. As he argued against multiculturalism, he also brought up the grooming of children in south Yorkshire by men mainly of Muslim Pakistani heritage.

Several senior politicians condemned his remarks including Nick Clegg, who said he was dismayed that the first reaction of Farage was to make political points about the shooting.
He was asked you nowhere man Muppet!!!
Labour former cabinet minister Tessa Jowell saying they were “sickening comments” as the murder of innocent people is “criminal, plain and simple”.
Oh really simple is it slack Jowells? Nothing to do with people committing this crime in the name of a sky fairy, that's irrelevant is it? Still as PC as ever then, the day we are rid of your type the better chance we have of sorting the mess out! I'd bet your name was on the open borders mass immigration by labour wasn't it.

Perhaps the time has come to rip down all churches, synagogues, Mosques and chapels and declare a secular non religious society?
You can still believe in sky pixies if you like but in private and certainly your views will not be allowed to be taught in our education system.
Ban all religious clothing of all faiths would be a good start, your in the West not Pakistan or Iraq or where ever!

I wouldn't mind the UK being secular as a country. But why should I allow you to rip down my church (whichever it may be) - then you're dictating how and where I practice my faith - so frankly you can fcuk right off. Oh and I don't know whether you count the cross as part of clothing but if I want to wear one, I'm going to.

Why should people have to pander to secularism? I don't have any objections to people not believing in God, Father Christmas, The Tooth Fairy or whatever, but why should I have to be like that?

And you can fcuk off too if you think you should have the right to have exclusive schools to keep spreading your faith and tying to influence non believers to your mind set!
What's the big kick in gathering together to celebrate mythical figures that some choose to go murdering in the name of them?
You are always preaching the virtues of a modern joined up world yet you drag ancient cults along with you
One does not fit with the other.

Both my son and daughter went to a) a "faith" school other than my own coz it was nearest then b) the local non-denom state high school.

I don't care whether my kids are taught religion in school or not. What's the big kick in gathering together to support a team that'll never win owt decent? or a thrash metal band that ain't your cuppa - none, but folks should be allowed to do it.

So you can carry on fcuking off.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

I think it was to do with free speech. journalists were murdered because they worked at a magazine that did its right and proper job of caricaturing and satirizing...

the state stopping Worthy from peacefully practising his religion in his church - or peacefully wearing his cross as he goes about his daily life is also an attack on free-speech and free-expression (as - strangely enough for a country now vowing to defend free speech and freedom of expression to the end - is France's decision to ban Muslim women from wearing certain types of non-murderous clothing in the street.)

From their perspective, free speech was a long way down the list of what they were attacking...
And from my perspective, some cxnt wearing a hijab in a secular society is an enormous slap in the face of free speech.

[TANGODANCER]

Perhaps the time has come to rip down all churches, synagogues, Mosques and chapels and declare a secular non religious society? You can still believe in sky pixies if you like but in private and certainly your views will not be allowed to be taught in our education system. Ban all religious clothing of all faiths would be a good start, your in the West not Pakistan or Iraq or where ever!

I can't believe you're that naive as to think any of those measures will alter a single thing Hoboh. Our whole society is strong because of our right to believe or not is respected. Are you really advocating a Big Brother world where non-conformism (and I'm not talking about the law. which is rooted in The Commandments anyway) ) is punished by the Hoboh militia? Demolish the churches and banish the religious? Dear Lord, that's back to Nazism.

War is and never has been about religion, but being used as a Jets and Sharks, Montserats' and Capulets' territorial bullying and desire for an eye for an eye etc.. Declare your comical sanctions and you'd soon find out that there'd be the greatest war ever seen and would it be about God? Not on your life, it would be, like all other wars, about man and about power, greed and winning and the right to be free of all the things you advocate. Were World Wars I and II about God, or about the very attitudes you state? I thought you had a bit more brain mate. God and religion used as reasons for war are just excuses people award themselves to justify their earthly desires.

I'm totally with Worthy in his views. I sure won't ever be told what to believe.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

I think it was to do with free speech. journalists were murdered because they worked at a magazine that did its right and proper job of caricaturing and satirizing...

the state stopping Worthy from peacefully practising his religion in his church - or peacefully wearing his cross as he goes about his daily life is also an attack on free-speech and free-expression (as - strangely enough for a country now vowing to defend free speech and freedom of expression to the end - is France's decision to ban Muslim women from wearing certain types of non-murderous clothing in the street.)

From their perspective, free speech was a long way down the list of what they were attacking...
And from my perspective, some cxnt wearing a hijab in a secular society is an enormous slap in the face of free speech.

...it's a good job I don't get so insulted that I start running around the place shooting be-hijabed slaps in the face of secularism types isn't it... because that way lies war. (and not not being Nostradamus or owt, I obviously have no idea how fxcking close to that shit we are...)

[Lost Leopard Spot]

...but I'd guess it's getting closer by the day...you know, just as a guess.

[Prufrock]

Perhaps the time has come to rip down all churches, synagogues, Mosques and chapels and declare a secular non religious society? You can still believe in sky pixies if you like but in private and certainly your views will not be allowed to be taught in our education system. Ban all religious clothing of all faiths would be a good start, your in the West not Pakistan or Iraq or where ever!

I can't believe you're that naive as to think any of those measures will alter a single thing Hoboh. Our whole society is strong because of our right to believe or not is respected. Are you really advocating a Big Brother world where non-conformism (and I'm not talking about the law. which is rooted in The Commandments anyway) ) is punished by the Hoboh militia? Demolish the churches and banish the religious? Dear Lord, that's back to Nazism.

War is and never has been about religion, but being used as a Jets and Sharks, Montserats' and Capulets' territorial bullying and desire for an eye for an eye etc.. Declare your comical sanctions and you'd soon find out that there'd be the greatest war ever seen and would it be about God? Not on your life, it would be, like all other wars, about man and about power, greed and winning and the right to be free of all the things you advocate. Were World Wars I and II about God, or about the very attitudes you state? I thought you had a bit more brain mate. God and religion used as reasons for war are just excuses people award themselves to justify their earthly desires.

I'm totally with Worthy in his views. I sure won't ever be told what to believe.

Just...no.

And you thought hoboh had a bit more of a brain?!

[Montreal Wanderer]

France and Quebec (my province) are secular societies by law. I don't have a problem with this. It does mean that Church property may no onger enjoy the tax status it once did. 'Faith' schools as you call them have to be largely funded by the community and must teach an approved provincial curriculum in addition to their religion lessons. However, many felt the government went to far in attemptong to enact legislation that made it illegal for any public servant (and this included teachers, nurses, etc.) from wearing any symbol that showed their faith ostentatiously. For example Jewish men could not wear the kippah though they did allow small religious symbols. They even published a picture as a guideline



All this went a little far and the government lost the last election. The bill never passed.

[thebish]

from my perspective, some cxnt wearing a hijab in a secular society is an enormous slap in the face of free speech.

some people are just too easily offended... it makes the world a dangerous place.

[Prufrock]

How is wearing a hijab an insult to free speech - how does that work?

[thebish]