The Politics Thread

[jaffka]

How about you go to Syria for a while and if you return you will be able to answer your own question.

[Hoboh]

so - your answer is that "British Culture" means having no mosques?

even the UKIP manifesto says that this thing they identify as "British Culture" is NOT about religion...

can you not tell me what British Culture IS rather than rant about what it isn't? is it really that hard a question for someone who constantly tells us they want to preserve British Culture?

what the feckity-feck IS it that you want to preserve that isn't being preserved?

Go do the usual pick one thing out of a host of others, sorry I'm not hungry today.

[thebish]

booooooo!!!!!! mosques!!

[Bruce Rioja]

I see that Farridge has turned volte-face on the NHS from what he was coming out with a bit back then?!

[Beefheart]

People who want to 'preserve british culture' usually mean they wish life resembled an episode of Heartbeat, forgetting that Heartbeat was shit, but at least there weren't any brown people in it.

[thebish]

so - your answer is that "British Culture" means having no mosques?

even the UKIP manifesto says that this thing they identify as "British Culture" is NOT about religion...

can you not tell me what British Culture IS rather than rant about what it isn't? is it really that hard a question for someone who constantly tells us they want to preserve British Culture?

what the feckity-feck IS it that you want to preserve that isn't being preserved?

Go do the usual pick one thing out of a host of others, sorry I'm not hungry today.

hobes - you posted a massive long post - you said you agreed with lots of it... what's the problem with saying what it actually means or explaining what it actually costs?

when people say "British Culture" - then say it means no mosques and some kind of heavy regulation of what can and can't be sold on a street market - then I have the itchy feeling that what they actually mean by "British Culture" is:

warm beer
cricket on the village green
morris dancing
people paddling at the seaside and buying saucy postcards
roast dinner on sundays
talking about the weather
being good at queueing
blokes with bowler hats carrying the Times on the way to work wearing pin-striped suits
pubs with smoke in them
fish and chips in newspaper
milk delivered door-to-door in bottles

oh no - you might say - don't be ridiculous... but then - what the feck DO you mean??? what IS "British Culture"? Why do you find it such a hard question to deal with?

also - as for "picking one thing out" - I actually picked two things out and you refused to engage with either... If you copy/paste a post that runs to 9000 lines with 457 separate (though some repeated!) points - you can hardly insist that everyone responds to every single point!

[Bruce Rioja]

Bar the smoking in pubs I'd vote for all of the above.

[thebish]

I see that Farridge has turned volte-face on the NHS from what he was coming out with a bit back then?!

aye... it was on his "Common Sense" tour of the UK..

Speaking at a meeting in East Sussex, Farage said: “I think we’re going to have to think about healthcare very, very differently. I think we are going to have to move to an insurance-based system of healthcare.

“Frankly, I would feel more comfortable that my money would return value if I was able to do that through the market place of an insurance company than just us trustingly giving £100bn a year to central government and expecting them to organise the healthcare service from cradle to grave for us.

[thebish]

Bar the smoking in pubs I'd vote for all of the above.

you'd look very dapper in a bowler hat!

[Bruce Rioja]

Bar the smoking in pubs I'd vote for all of the above.

you'd look very dapper in a bowler hat!

I do

[Hoboh]

People who want to 'preserve british culture' usually mean they wish life resembled an episode of Heartbeat, forgetting that Heartbeat was shit, but at least there weren't any brown people in it.

Oh please lay off the colour card, yes there are some nuts in Ukip that don't like people because of their colour, and in the Tory party, labour party, probably the greens and even Lib Dems but to tar everyone with the same brush is frankly insulting, but it's the big trick of the one trick lefty luvvies.
Like I said earlier you cannot stand on a beach and turn back the tide of change but you don't starting levelling everything to speed up it's progress either, do that and there are inherent risks to the fabric of the country.
We are seeing this in terms of housing, strain on infrastructure, services and the public purse, the world did not evolve in a few decades and would be an awful mess if it did.
Too many people buy into the illusion that they can artificially speed up evolution of the nation during their own life time and to hell with the consequences.
The EU means 'peace in our time', how hollow and shallow is that beginning to look?

[Harry Genshaw]

If there's one thing that will scupper Ukips chances anywhere, it will be the news that they're making Morris dancing compulsory for all. I can imagine white van man really going for that!

[Beefheart]

People who want to 'preserve british culture' usually mean they wish life resembled an episode of Heartbeat, forgetting that Heartbeat was shit, but at least there weren't any brown people in it.

Oh please lay off the colour card, yes there are some nuts in Ukip that don't like people because of their colour, and in the Tory party, labour party, probably the greens and even Lib Dems but to tar everyone with the same brush is frankly insulting, but it's the big trick of the one trick lefty luvvies.
Like I said earlier you cannot stand on a beach and turn back the tide of change but you don't starting levelling everything to speed up it's progress either, do that and there are inherent risks to the fabric of the country.
We are seeing this in terms of housing, strain on infrastructure, services and the public purse, the world did not evolve in a few decades and would be an awful mess if it did.
Too many people buy into the illusion that they can artificially speed up evolution of the nation during their own life time and to hell with the consequences.
The EU means 'peace in our time', how hollow and shallow is that beginning to look?

What does housing and strains on infrastructure have to do with culture? I didn't even mention a political party in my post anyway, but yes I think 'preserving British culture' is often a coded message for something more sinister.

[TANGODANCER]

If there's one thing that will scupper Ukips chances anywhere, it will be the news that they're making Morris dancing compulsory for all. I can imagine white van man really going for that!

To be honest, I'm glad my lifetime has seen many things, May walks,( hundreds of Polish and Ukranian people used to turn out for these in Bolton when I was just a shaver) Maypoles, Boys Brigades, boating lakes and Morris dancers. Nowt wrong with a bit of clog-hopping....

[Bruce Rioja]

Well, it appears that the leader of the Greens, Natalie Bennett, has made an absolute bollocks of her radio interview this morning.

What on Earth might Malcolm Tucker have made of this?

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[Beefheart]

Well, it appears that the leader of the Greens, Natalie Bennett, has made an absolute bollocks of her radio interview this morning.

What on Earth might Malcolm Tucker have made of this?

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Remove the tax relief on interest payments for private landlords? Why? Seems a perfectly reasonable tax deductable expense

Edit: Listened to it all the way through and it was one of the most cringe-inducing things I've ever heard. I don't really like the Greens but you can't help but feel a bit sorry for her, the only coverage they've really had is from two terrible interviews.

[jaffka]

Total disaster for her.

However Nick Ferrari with the comment "£60000 not much more than a large conservatory". That's some conservatory. What world is he in? I fancy doing some work for him, charge top dollar for any old shite.

[Prufrock]

I don't know how more folk haven't been called out on that bullshit, especially by politicians who should be able to. Watching Ed not even lay a glove on Mylene Klass for her preposterous claim that the only house you can get for £2m in London is "like a garage" was stomach-churningly embarrassing.

I like Ed, I think he means well, has good ideas behind it all, and if folk would just let him quietly be in charge and get on with it he'd probably do OK but that's not how it works! He just doesn't have it. Not that Cameron is much better. The man who's only job outside politics was in PR, who lurches from PR disaster to PR disaster. Fills you with confidence. We complain that our politicians are all sleek operators with no substance, but they're not even sleek!

[Worthy4England]

I'm in! Quite a lot to agree with there.

My sense of surprise, is almost palpable.

[Hoboh]

Comment in the G about natty Nat and her party

Let's be honest, if you were even tempted to vote for this collection of shaggy haired, sandal-wearing, lentil-eating, compost-collecting twonks then you truly are beyond help. Complete and utter morons.

However, whilst I was always against a fringe of lunatics like the greens taking part in the televised debates, I have changed my mind - invite the loser along to be boiled like a lobster.

Seems the lefties don't like them much either
Or is it because Mr Ed just ain't got a clue? Never mind bring back Prezzer he'll knock the crap out of them