Today I'm angry about.....

[thebish]

... why? impossible to give a general answer as they are all individuals.

some will have family here
some will have english as their second language
some will have contacts here
some will come because they know we need cheap labour in some industries and they can get it
some will have been sold a particular "route" by traffickers that promises them a life here and leads to calais
some will have an irrational drive stemming from something they have read or been told about the UK or seen in a film
it could be any number of reasons

Thank you. All possible reasons. Nothing to do with benefits, real or imagined ?

quite possible - and well covered under the sixth possible reason I listed. (I'm sure you could quite easily have listed all the reasons yourself.)

personally, though, I doubt that benefits - real or imagined, are the most significant driving force.

I think it's because there is a perception that there is work available here... I think that the majority want to work.

there's some interesting recent research done by DueDil and the Centre for Entrepreneurs think tank on migrants and entrepreneurial endeavour - it makes (for some) for surprising reading...

it's used by Jeremy Warner in this article for the Telegraph (aye - not the Guardian...)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... itain.html

If you really want genuine answers to your question - and I'm still not 100% sure of that - then it's worth a read...

he thinks britain is a good place for entrepreneurs..

the migrant labour force creates roughly twice as many entrepreneurs as does the British-born population. Those who complain that migrants are stealing their jobs may very well end up working for them. Believe it or not, there are 8,639 German entrepreneurs in Birmingham – but of course we don’t mean hard-working Germans when we talk about unwanted migrants.

and posits that it is unsuprising that we should find migrants doing well in the labour market

It is no accident that the most dynamic economy in history, the United States, is entirely immigrant-based. A large part of America’s economic success comes from the new ideas, new ways of doing things, energy and determination to succeed that the newly arrived bring with them.

The key question to ask about immigration is why it is that so many people want to come here. To better themselves, to speak English, to escape persecution, unemployment and privation – well, obviously.
But it is also more subtle than that. It’s because Britain is still a largely free and mainly civilised society that protects minorities and abides by the rule of law. Migrant entrepreneurs are attracted to Britain because on the whole it’s easier to start and profit from a business here than most places elsewhere. Lloyd Blankfein, chairman of Goldman Sachs, once told me that there is a very simple reason he locates his European operations in the UK. It’s not just language and cultural affinity; it’s also that in the UK it’s even possible to sue the government and still hope to get a fair hearing. The latest iniquities of Vladimir Putin’s Russia remind us that there are all too few places in the world you can say that about.

[TANGODANCER]

^^
Nor me, Bobo, and if it hadn't been David Cameron who said it it would probably have passed without notice. Likewise if he'd said a swarm of tourists descended on Benidorm every summer. Lot of fuss about nothing.

[Harry Genshaw]

Thanks Bish (genuinely) for the best attempt I've read at an explanation for the chaotic scenes we're currently seeing. I do think though that those trying to support the argument for lesser controls on immigration appear to try a bit too hard to make their case. The German example you referred to being a case in point. Germans over running Calais was some years ago . I was wondering what made so many German entrepreneurs go to Birmingham and then I remembered that the biggest German Xmas market in the world (?) is in Birmingham. This hardly makes a case for opening our doors to more non European immigration.

[Montreal Wanderer]

I very, very rarely use the 'C' word, but the killer of Cecil the Lion, some half wit psycho from the US, is indeed a c*** of the first order. It seems an Internet witch hunt is underway, which is some small comfort.

American internet opinion seems unanimous.

[Montreal Wanderer]

Today David Cameron makes a casual reference to the continuing swathes of migrants trying to come through the tunnel as "a swarm" and the wrath of every simpering tit is pushed toward him in faux, and opportunist anger and accusation.

W@nkers.

Agree on the faux anger but it was pretty poor judgment.

Is the use of swarm always pejorative? The Oxford English Dictionary suggests it is sometimes but not always contemptuous. There are other usages too that might be apropos.

1. b. allusively of persons who leave the original body and go forth to found a new colony or community.


2. A very large or dense body or collection; a crowd, throng, multitude. (Often contemptuous.)

[Bruce Rioja]

I'd say that it's usually meant in a pejorative manner, Monty. Certainly over here. "They come swarming over here...." and so on.

[Bijou Bob]

I'd say that it's usually meant in a pejorative manner, Monty. Certainly over here. "They come swarming over here...." and so on.

Aye, bloody bees.........

[Harry Genshaw]

The Beeb.

Last weekend we had the Iron man. Competitors from all around the world and thousands of people lining the streets to watch. No coverage anywhere apart from a half hours programme the weekend after at 6 in the morning.

This weekend 2 minor sporting events in and around London and the Beeb dedicate over 3 hours live coverage. Tossers

[jimbo]

The Beeb.

Last weekend we had the Iron man. Competitors from all around the world and thousands of people lining the streets to watch. No coverage anywhere apart from a half hours programme the weekend after at 6 in the morning.

This weekend 2 minor sporting events in and around London and the Beeb dedicate over 3 hours live coverage. Tossers

Oi. I was riding today. I'm glad I can go home and watch it all back on the telly. It's a miles better event than last week - there's no running or swimming involved

[Harry Genshaw]

The Beeb.

Last weekend we had the Iron man. Competitors from all around the world and thousands of people lining the streets to watch. No coverage anywhere apart from a half hours programme the weekend after at 6 in the morning.

This weekend 2 minor sporting events in and around London and the Beeb dedicate over 3 hours live coverage. Tossers

Oi. I was riding today. I'm glad I can go home and watch it all back on the telly. It's a miles better event than last week - there's no running or swimming involved

Hats off to you sir and I hope you enjoyed it. Not sure you deserve to get on the box for it mind!

[Bruce Rioja]

Today I'm angry about bone idle 4uckers that look for excuses, and those that look to excuse them.

It doesn't cost anything to exercise!

My day got off to a bad start when I listened to some hand-wringing c*nt on Nicky Campbell's wireless show.

Fine, if you don't want to do anyhing then don't, just don't say that you can't afford to, or patronise those that you claim can't.

"Figures show there are now more than 1.2 million more people doing no sport at all and that the decline has been particularly marked among those from lower socioeconomic groups."

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015 ... ation-fall" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[thebish]

Today I'm angry about bone idle 4uckers that look for excuses, and those that look to excuse them.

It doesn't cost anything to exercise!

My day got off to a bad start when I listened to some hand-wringing c*nt on Nicky Campbell's wire show.

Fine, if you don't want to do anyhing then don't, just don't say that you can't afford to, or patronise those that you claim can't.

"Figures show there are now more than 1.2 million more people doing no sport at all and that the decline has been particularly marked among those from lower socioeconomic groups."

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015 ... ation-fall" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

aye - so much for that much-trolleyed-on-about OLYMPIC LEGACY... olympic legacy??? my arse! all the omympics does is get people to sit on their arses watching sport on telly drinking beer.

[boltonboris]

Today I'm angry about bone idle 4uckers that look for excuses, and those that look to excuse them.

It doesn't cost anything to exercise!

My day got off to a bad start when I listened to some hand-wringing c*nt on Nicky Campbell's wire show.

Fine, if you don't want to do anyhing then don't, just don't say that you can't afford to, or patronise those that you claim can't.

"Figures show there are now more than 1.2 million more people doing no sport at all and that the decline has been particularly marked among those from lower socioeconomic groups."

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015 ... ation-fall" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

aye - so much for that much-trolleyed-on-about OLYMPIC LEGACY... olympic legacy??? my arse! all the omympics does is get people to sit on their arses watching sport on telly drinking beer.

Which is why we love it so!

There's nothing better than calling Lampard et al a bunch of useless fat dickheads whilst I'm sat pissed eating pringles on the sofa

[thebish]

Which is why we love it so!

There's nothing better than calling Lampard et al a bunch of useless fat dickheads whilst I'm sat pissed eating pringles on the sofa

[StaffsTrotter]

the sale of RBS shares at a £1billion loss to the taxpayer, explained as 'because its the right thing to do' or as one financial bod said selling £10 notes for £8.

All sanctioned by a bloke who took no end of delight goading Brown about the gold sell off

[Bruce Rioja]

the sale of RBS shares at a £1billion loss to the taxpayer, explained as 'because its the right thing to do' or as one financial bod said selling £10 notes for £8.

All sanctioned by a bloke who took no end of delight goading Brown about the gold sell off

So who lost more - Brown or Osbourne?

[BWFC_Insane]

the sale of RBS shares at a £1billion loss to the taxpayer, explained as 'because its the right thing to do' or as one financial bod said selling £10 notes for £8.

All sanctioned by a bloke who took no end of delight goading Brown about the gold sell off

So who lost more - Brown or Osbourne?

RBS shares have only just started being sold. May improve or get worse as more are sold. So can't say yet. They are selling first 5% cheap to try and stimulate interest and increase price for later shares.

[StaffsTrotter]

the sale of RBS shares at a £1billion loss to the taxpayer, explained as 'because its the right thing to do' or as one financial bod said selling £10 notes for £8.

All sanctioned by a bloke who took no end of delight goading Brown about the gold sell off

So who lost more - Brown or Osbourne?

Brown so far .. but bear in mind its only been a partial sell of RBS and there may be more losses to accrue dependent on future sale timing. Of course these could be gains but Osbourne gives the impression he just wants shut asap.
To me the difference is - everyone know the RBS shares are cheap, whereas Brown fell foul of the market and lots of hindsight expert opinion

[Bijou Bob]

I'm struggling g to understand the outrage about a Pakistan child killer being hanged in his own country. News agencies Ave shown extended footage of his wailing family asking for justice, but none of the victim's family. What the Feck any of it has to do with us several thousand miles away is completely beyond me.

[Bijou Bob]

.......and another thing! All these farmers blocking supermarkets protesting about low milk prices. Apparently, you could hardly move at our local Morrisons for all the parked Range Rover Vogues while their owners were inside stripping the shelves of milk.