If carlsberg did transfer threads.....This would be it!

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Re: If carlsberg did transfer threads.....This would be it!

Post by Bijou Bob » Sat Aug 01, 2015 10:20 pm

Burnley have a 15k wage cap I believe. Cardiff may be paying a large chunk though.
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Post by TKIZ! » Sun Aug 02, 2015 9:57 am

jaffka wrote:The fee for gestede is supposed to be £6m, they couldn't even get a player on loan from villa.

They are still under an embargo despite selling 2 players, they could spend some money to get a replacement but that would put them further in debt.

Rhodes wants out as well but he has a hefty sell on clause benefitting Huddersfield.

Alfs wages are apparently £18k a week. £8k over what they can pay under FFP rules.

No sell on value for Alf either...
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Post by malcd1 » Sun Aug 02, 2015 10:26 am

Nixon saying that Hull have enquired about Josh Vela. Not gone anymoment. further at
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Post by TKIZ! » Sun Aug 02, 2015 10:31 am

At this point, what would The Wanderer do, If it meant by selling Vela to 'Ull that we could afford ALF?
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Post by BWFC_Insane » Sun Aug 02, 2015 10:53 am

TKIZ! wrote:At this point, what would The Wanderer do, If it meant by selling Vela to 'Ull that we could afford ALF?
We'd need to replace Vela and still be able to afford ALF. So depends on the money as ever.

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Post by Jugs » Sun Aug 02, 2015 12:04 pm

I wouldn't sell Vela. If we sell such a young, promising midfielder to bring in a striker it means we'll still have a gap to plug in CM. With Danns ageing, and Pratley now on the wrong side of thirty, we'd still need to find cash down the line to get someone in of equal quality and youthfulness.

Unless we want to go down the route of more loans, such as Garvan.

Or buy another TwatDick.

Vela is a youth product, perhaps the first one to bear some fruit for a long time (he broke into the first team before Clough is what I mean). If we sell at the first opportunity to a rival club, it just says to me that our youth academy means little to us.

It says, "Here you are, Brucey boy. We'll develop a player for a few years, then you can have him for a couple of quid and enjoy his best years. No worries, we'll plug the gap with Dannzy and another loanee 'cause we're a selling club."

Feck it. I want to keep Vela, even if it means losing out on Alf. I want out promising young players to stay here, at least for a few more years. These are exciting players.

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Post by BWFC_Insane » Sun Aug 02, 2015 12:22 pm

Jugs wrote:I wouldn't sell Vela. If we sell such a young, promising midfielder to bring in a striker it means we'll still have a gap to plug in CM. With Danns ageing, and Pratley now on the wrong side of thirty, we'd still need to find cash down the line to get someone in of equal quality and youthfulness.

Unless we want to go down the route of more loans, such as Garvan.

Or buy another TwatDick.

Vela is a youth product, perhaps the first one to bear some fruit for a long time (he broke into the first team before Clough is what I mean). If we sell at the first opportunity to a rival club, it just says to me that our youth academy means little to us.

It says, "Here you are, Brucey boy. We'll develop a player for a few years, then you can have him for a couple of quid and enjoy his best years. No worries, we'll plug the gap with Dannzy and another loanee 'cause we're a selling club."

Feck it. I want to keep Vela, even if it means losing out on Alf. I want out promising young players to stay here, at least for a few more years. These are exciting players.
It's about balance. If the money offered for any player means overall we can strengthen then do it. We need to start turning profits on transfers and making some actual money. Southampton have perfected the art of an academy turning out players over a number of years and making big money on them when sold.

Keeping Vela and Clough if big offers come in but having nothing to supplement them with would be folly. But selling them cheaply would equally be silly.

However we have to accept that the club right now is about more than just the immediate and if cash is needed it is needed. We might not like it, but the priority has to be attracting owners within the next year. Because if we don't then we are fecked beyond belief. If doing that needs a player sale or two, then so be it.

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Post by Jugs » Sun Aug 02, 2015 12:42 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:
Jugs wrote:I wouldn't sell Vela. If we sell such a young, promising midfielder to bring in a striker it means we'll still have a gap to plug in CM. With Danns ageing, and Pratley now on the wrong side of thirty, we'd still need to find cash down the line to get someone in of equal quality and youthfulness.

Unless we want to go down the route of more loans, such as Garvan.

Or buy another TwatDick.

Vela is a youth product, perhaps the first one to bear some fruit for a long time (he broke into the first team before Clough is what I mean). If we sell at the first opportunity to a rival club, it just says to me that our youth academy means little to us.

It says, "Here you are, Brucey boy. We'll develop a player for a few years, then you can have him for a couple of quid and enjoy his best years. No worries, we'll plug the gap with Dannzy and another loanee 'cause we're a selling club."

Feck it. I want to keep Vela, even if it means losing out on Alf. I want out promising young players to stay here, at least for a few more years. These are exciting players.
It's about balance. If the money offered for any player means overall we can strengthen then do it. We need to start turning profits on transfers and making some actual money. Southampton have perfected the art of an academy turning out players over a number of years and making big money on them when sold.

Keeping Vela and Clough if big offers come in but having nothing to supplement them with would be folly. But selling them cheaply would equally be silly.

However we have to accept that the club right now is about more than just the immediate and if cash is needed it is needed. We might not like it, but the priority has to be attracting owners within the next year. Because if we don't then we are fecked beyond belief. If doing that needs a player sale or two, then so be it.
I disagree mate. Hull are not going to offer us balmy money for Vela. We can expect 1.5 or 2mill tops. For an academy graduate many of us have been excited to see played in CM for about 5 years now (and this year finally seems like the year we will see him on a regular basis) to be flogged to the first offer, it's just crap.

Southampton perfected the art because they get offered crazy money for players. 28mill for Lallana! We'll get about 2 mill. I'm not interested. Maybe it's irrational of me, but it's getting really boring watching football from the stands and having to be 'rational' about everything.

We don't need to sell to Hull for a few quid. A few quid won't attract new owners. Maybe in a years' time, Clough and Vela's stock will have risen into double figures. Maybe that will be more attractive. But right now, I'd like to see some local boys out on the pitch fighting for BWFC.

Selling Vela isn't going to make us any better. We don't look great as it is, but removing one of best midfielders on the cusp of a new season is just silly.

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Post by Harry Genshaw » Sun Aug 02, 2015 12:50 pm

I love the idea of a home grown player developing into a great player for us but it's all about the here and now. If transferring Vela means we can bring Alf and a defender in, then I'd flog him without hesitation.
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Post by Bruce Rioja » Sun Aug 02, 2015 1:01 pm

Harry Genshaw wrote:I love the idea of a home grown player developing into a great player for us but it's all about the here and now. If transferring Vela means we can bring Alf and a defender in, then I'd flog him without hesitation.
Me too, though I doubt that we'll be offered enough to do that. I think that we're going to have to get used to other clubs, in full knowledge that we're skint, bidding us in the bollocks for our emerging talent. This is the first time in my 40 years watching us that we've really begun to see our own kids emerging, at a time when I for one doubt that we'll be able to keep hold of them. :(
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Post by Jugs » Sun Aug 02, 2015 1:13 pm

Harry Genshaw wrote:I love the idea of a home grown player developing into a great player for us but it's all about the here and now. If transferring Vela means we can bring Alf and a defender in, then I'd flog him without hesitation.
But then what do you do with the midfield, of which Vela is a certain starter atm? Hope Lennon gets to like Spearing or bring more loans in?

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Post by BWFC_Insane » Sun Aug 02, 2015 1:22 pm

Jugs wrote:
Harry Genshaw wrote:I love the idea of a home grown player developing into a great player for us but it's all about the here and now. If transferring Vela means we can bring Alf and a defender in, then I'd flog him without hesitation.
But then what do you do with the midfield, of which Vela is a certain starter atm? Hope Lennon gets to like Spearing or bring more loans in?
Like I said depends on the money offered. If it's enough to replace Vela and bring in ALF it becomes a no brainer. Let's remember Vela is a player who has played only a handful of games for us in midfield, his natural position. I think he's got great potential but he still has lots to show.

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Post by Jugs » Sun Aug 02, 2015 1:28 pm

He's going to be a belting player. If we are going to sell, I'd wait another year at least.

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Post by Norpig » Sun Aug 02, 2015 4:02 pm

Surely we need to keep our up and coming talent? Vela is going to be a top player starting this season! Otherwise we will just spiral into the abyss without any hope at all. Hope is all we have left!

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Post by Bijou Bob » Sun Aug 02, 2015 4:17 pm

I can see what's going to happen here. Alf will sign for A.N.Other early next week. On Thursday, both Medo and Spearing will be off loaded, a day too late. Still, better that than losing Vela and the clown topping himself.
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Post by Enoch » Sun Aug 02, 2015 5:33 pm

Vela is a graduate of our academy and has shown some promise, not sure he's shown enough to suggest he's the messiah.

It's not so long ago he couldn't even run properly!!

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Post by bobo the clown » Sun Aug 02, 2015 5:50 pm

Enoch wrote:Vela is a graduate of our academy and has shown some promise, not sure he's shown enough to suggest he's the messiah.

It's not so long ago he couldn't even run properly!!

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Post by Jugs » Sun Aug 02, 2015 6:08 pm

According to Hull City News: "We made an enquiry for Josh Vela at Bolton, but were discouraged from making any bid."

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Post by jaffka » Sun Aug 02, 2015 6:14 pm

Jugs wrote:According to Hull City News: "We made an enquiry for Josh Vela at Bolton, but were discouraged from making any bid."
Which if its right shows that things aren't anywhere near as bad as what some are making out.
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jaffka wrote:
Jugs wrote:According to Hull City News: "We made an enquiry for Josh Vela at Bolton, but were discouraged from making any bid."
Which if its right shows that things aren't anywhere near as bad as what some are making out.
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