The Politics Thread

[thebish]

yet - you'll vote for corbyn as leader...

in fact - you have gone out of your way deliberately and specifically to be able to vote for such a despicable politician...

[Hoboh]

Not a chance he'd have greeted Netenyahu as "friend".

It's the coziness of an unscheduled personal invite for tea on the terrace at the House of Commons, like you'd treat a friend of foreign dignitary. Again, do you think Netenyahu would get the same treatment? Of course not. Why?

'Kin hell Pru!!!
Churchill had to sup tea with feckin' Stalin at one point.

Corbyn isn't Churchill, and he didn't have to sup tea with Salah.

This is all typically disingenuous. We all know that Corbyn was seeing to chummy up with people who were seen as outside the norm and he did it to show contempt for the mainstream. He did it when he was, in real terms, insignificant. He virtually sought out people who he knew meeting them would piss people off.

Anyone denying that, or that they realise that, are talking bllx.

Less than a year ago he was "understanding" ISIS. To be fair they've gone further than anyone could imagine and I'm sure he'd genuinely step back from that now, but it just fitted his MO at the time.

... & yes, Corbyn may not be actually anti-Semitic, but he's certainly anti-Israeli. And I tell you what, for all their faults I'd sit in a room with militant Jews before I would with militant Islamists.

And before I get in trouble over this I was merely pointing out that from time to time you have to sit and talk to pretty despicable people to get anywhere, but and big but you shouldn't appease them by glorifying, or seeming to, support their objectives.

[William the White]

I'm really glad to say that today I voted for Jeremy Corbyn, the well-known anti racist campaigner, who hasn't got an anti-semitic bone in his body, and has the good sense and good conscience to support the rights of the much-abused, oppressed, and assaulted Palestinian people, for the leadership of the Labour Party.

My second preference went to Burnham. With a little sigh.

For deputy I, hesitantly, went for Creasey. Watson second choice. This really was a tough one. And 49% of me thinks I was mistaken.

[CAPSLOCK]

Lets hope you're not alone in your support for Corbyn

Guarantees us an extended run of Tory rule

[William the White]

Lets hope you're not alone in your support for Corbyn

Guarantees us an extended run of Tory rule

I am not alone...

This may be the only thing ever in our exchanges on this forum that makes both of us joyful...

[thebish]

pathetic...

The former Tory MP Louise Mensch came unstuck on Friday night when a series of apparently antisemitic suggested Twitter searches that she said were indicative of abuse from Jeremy Corbyn supporters turned out to be a record of her own search history.

The author tweeted a picture of a Twitter search bar, into which she had typed the handle of Liz Kendall’s Labour leadership campaign account @lizforleader. Referring to the options that then appeared underneath, she wrote: “Twitter’s autocomplete on Liz Kendall MP. This is the sewer that is Jeremy Corbyn’s support.”

But it was soon pointed out to her that they weren’t suggested searches – they were Mensch’s own search history.

[Prufrock]

Funny though!

[Lord Kangana]

And I tell you what, for all their faults I'd sit in a room with militant Jews before I would with militant Islamists.

For all their faults? What a c*ntish thing to say. Thats a bit like choosing The IRA over the UDF.

[bobo the clown]

And I tell you what, for all their faults I'd sit in a room with militant Jews before I would with militant Islamists.

For all their faults? What a c*ntish thing to say. Thats a bit like choosing The IRA over the UDF.

That's a bit harsh LK. Not going to get into a big rant with you over it but ... for all the things the Israeli's have done I'm not aware that they have World domination in their minds. Nor massacres of whole cultures, nor saw people's heads off or shoot dozens of people stood in graves they've just made them dig, or put people in cages and drown them or see rape of infidels as a legitimate action, or throw gays off roofs.

Nor did the IRA or UDF.

So as I said, whatever bad things the more extreme Jews may have done .. and there are many ... (ie. "for all their faults") it really doesn't come near what ISIS are doing.

Apologies for being c*ntish though, if that helps.

[William the White]

There's no reason (when you're a back-bench MP) to meet ANYONE in that fashion unless you're friends or you want to show you support them. He wasn't meeting him as part of some official negotiating strategy, if he was, why didn't he send out similar invitations to visiting members of the Israeli govt. (though not to Netenyahu of course - he only meets with Prime Ministers or Secretaries of State).

If you aim is to hear all sides, you can meet in a conference centre somewhere, hell there's telephones and e-mail. You don't invite people you're reluctant allies with to tea on the terrace at the House of Commons. You might invite people you sympathise with.

This, by the way, Corbyn on Hamas: "The idea that an organisation that is dedicated towards the good of the Palestinian people, and bringing about long-term peace and social justice and political justice in the whole region, should be labelled as a terrorist organisation by the British government, is really a big, big historical mistake."

No, f*ck that.

Source for that please, Pru?

[KeyserSoze]

There's no reason (when you're a back-bench MP) to meet ANYONE in that fashion unless you're friends or you want to show you support them. He wasn't meeting him as part of some official negotiating strategy, if he was, why didn't he send out similar invitations to visiting members of the Israeli govt. (though not to Netenyahu of course - he only meets with Prime Ministers or Secretaries of State).

If you aim is to hear all sides, you can meet in a conference centre somewhere, hell there's telephones and e-mail. You don't invite people you're reluctant allies with to tea on the terrace at the House of Commons. You might invite people you sympathise with.

This, by the way, Corbyn on Hamas: "The idea that an organisation that is dedicated towards the good of the Palestinian people, and bringing about long-term peace and social justice and political justice in the whole region, should be labelled as a terrorist organisation by the British government, is really a big, big historical mistake."

No, f*ck that.

Source for that please, Pru?

[William the White]

There's no reason (when you're a back-bench MP) to meet ANYONE in that fashion unless you're friends or you want to show you support them. He wasn't meeting him as part of some official negotiating strategy, if he was, why didn't he send out similar invitations to visiting members of the Israeli govt. (though not to Netenyahu of course - he only meets with Prime Ministers or Secretaries of State).

If you aim is to hear all sides, you can meet in a conference centre somewhere, hell there's telephones and e-mail. You don't invite people you're reluctant allies with to tea on the terrace at the House of Commons. You might invite people you sympathise with.

This, by the way, Corbyn on Hamas: "The idea that an organisation that is dedicated towards the good of the Palestinian people, and bringing about long-term peace and social justice and political justice in the whole region, should be labelled as a terrorist organisation by the British government, is really a big, big historical mistake."

No, f*ck that.

Source for that please, Pru?

Thank you, KS.

Context is everything.

[Prufrock]

What context are you getting that makes that fine?!

You'll note that, in this context, he refers to both Hamas and Hezbollah as "our friends" in their absence. So not his general "how I welcome everyone".

[William the White]

What context are you getting that makes that fine?!

You'll note that, in this context, he refers to both Hamas and Hezbollah as "our friends" in their absence. So not his general "how I welcome everyone".

The context is a stop the war coalition meeting before a Parliamentary meeting to which Palestinian politicians involved directly in the armed struggle with Israel are invited in order to search for a route to peace.

You will note that Israel has stopped - according to JC - the Hamas representatives from travelling to this meeting.

I think both Hamas and Hezbollah are reactionary parties determined to pursue armed struggle against the Israeli state. They have been doing this for years. They will continue to do it for years. Israel cannot defeat them no matter how savagely it behaves in Gaza and Lebanon. It can reduce Gaza close to rubble and still Hamas resists.

That is why they have to be brought into dialogue. As, once upon a not-so-long-ago time had the IRA. That is why Corbyn is right to invite them. I'd certainly prefer a less unctuous greeting myself. Something between 'terrorist savages' and 'friends' would be a good idea. But Hamas is not ISIS. Hamas is an elected party of government.

But I don't think Corbyn is a secret Islamic extremist.

[thebish]

think again, William...



Corbyn grabbed the sign off the synagogue and it had to be wrestled off him by vigilant citizens... (or summat!)

[thebish]

meanwhile...

More than 40 leading economists, including a former adviser to the Bank of England, have made public their support for Jeremy Corbyn’s policies, dismissing claims that they are extreme. In the letter to which David Blanchflower, a former member of the Bank of England’s monetary policy committee is a signatory, the economists write:

“The accusation is widely made that Jeremy Corbyn and his supporters have moved to the extreme left on economic policy. But this is not supported by the candidate’s statements or policies. His opposition to austerity is actually mainstream economics, even backed by the conservative IMF. He aims to boost growth and prosperity.”

[Hoboh]

interestingly - Britain used about 48 million tonnes of coal last year - 42 million of which were imported... the amount certainly surprised me!

Set me off having a nosy into the history of coal.
Good Lord, I knew there had been pit disasters but this really moved and shook me
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/wales/entrie ... d643dfdf10" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/real-life- ... ms-2364024" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[thebish]

interestingly - Britain used about 48 million tonnes of coal last year - 42 million of which were imported... the amount certainly surprised me!

Set me off having a nosy into the history of coal.
Good Lord, I knew there had been pit disasters but this really moved and shook me
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/wales/entrie ... d643dfdf10" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/real-life- ... ms-2364024" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

sad stuff, indeed... My F-i-L lived near Aberfan and was called in to offer counselling support to the families affected... he was only a young man himself, at the time...

[thebish]

[Lord Kangana]

And I tell you what, for all their faults I'd sit in a room with militant Jews before I would with militant Islamists.

For all their faults? What a c*ntish thing to say. Thats a bit like choosing The IRA over the UDF.

That's a bit harsh LK. Not going to get into a big rant with you over it but ... for all the things the Israeli's have done I'm not aware that they have World domination in their minds. Nor massacres of whole cultures, nor saw people's heads off or shoot dozens of people stood in graves they've just made them dig, or put people in cages and drown them or see rape of infidels as a legitimate action, or throw gays off roofs.

Nor did the IRA or UDF.

So as I said, whatever bad things the more extreme Jews may have done .. and there are many ... (ie. "for all their faults") it really doesn't come near what ISIS are doing.

Apologies for being c*ntish though, if that helps.

The Israelis established their own state (religiously based) through the use of terrorism. Perhaps you'll be more forgiving when ISIS have their own state and can legitimately oppress people as they see fit?