The wonderful EU and Migration thread!

[Worthy4England]

^^ but WAS THERE an "incident in Keele" ?

Coz it was reported in the Mail. So I thought it was a lie.

You can get back in your Executive Box, you can.

[Hoboh]

Someone help me out here, coz I'm a bit lost on a couple of points.

The UK Border Force can search any vehicle it wants to, entering the country. No change in legislation required.
Very true

Our door wasn't "open" to these illegal immigrants who stowed in a lorry, we just didn't search the fcking thing.
Not exactly but the policy of the EU in relation to migration puts them at the 'front gate' so to speak.

Maybe under the new trade agreement with Hungary, we'd just stop accepting deliveries...that'd solve it good n proper.
Now given that most of the illegals have been jumping from Hungarian trucks, it would be prudent to stop and search all Hungarian trucks or trucks from that country but just watch the EU shit storm about free movement of goods if we did that! Hell under TTIP they'd be suing the ass off us.

Good so we agree on point 1.

On point 2 - How do you think local (non-EU) legislation will prevent this when we're outside Europe? We just snarl at the EU and say please remove immigrants from Calais? That'll work really well...I can see them quivering - no honest, I can.

And point 3 - So we stop and search all Hungarian trucks. Let's assume we're outside Europe (and therefore TTIP) for a minute. We impose search restrictions on Hungarian trucks, which we can do currently - why do you think that the EU then wouldn't impose similar "inconveniences" upon our goods in transit as they're coming from outside the EU? Do you think that folks that have managed to get all the way from Afghanistan to "our front gate" wherever that actually is, wouldn't just switch to a different Country's trucks?

I really love the way you assume the EU can work together on anything, let alone a Europe wide blanket on stopping and searching UK trucks
Actually I find it very generous of the French (and all the other EU countries the migrants have swarmed through) to let them camp on our doorstep even though we are members!
What really riles me is the Europhiles seem to think the EU is a God like creation because it's all about business, it isn't, it's a part but not the be all and end all, there is at least as much minus in there.

No it's nothing like a godlike creation. Just better than the alternatives. You have offered no answer to how us being in Europe caused the incident in Keele, nor how being out of Europe would solve it. Part a) it didn't and part b) it wouldn't.

Just more random unconnected rantings.

So,
They just helicoptered into Keele direct from Kabul then, right.
Sure your not that acpo fella? The one that thinks we are free of foreign 'baddies because of the EU, rich when the % of overseas prisoners is rising!

[Worthy4England]

So,
They just helicoptered into Keele direct from Kabul then, right.
Sure your not that acpo fella? The one that thinks we are free of foreign 'baddies because of the EU, rich when the % of overseas prisoners is rising!

They'd have had to helicopter, to get over the $100Tn fence you want us to build round Europe. I suspect there will now be a delay and a cost overrun as we build it high enough for helicopters not to be able to pass over the top of it.

You don't half talk some tosh - how many trucks do you think we'd look at that were leaving the country (unless we thought they were full of nicked stuff) - answer probably zero.

So why do you think that a truck passing through from Hungary would be searched when leaving Hungary?

What I think you're suggesting is that all the countries between Hungary and UK would perform a check at their borders for any illegal immigrants? What sort of impact do you think that would have for Road Haulage and goods getting to places in a reasonable timeframe? What indirect impact do you think that would have on UK consumers in terms of prices? I guess we'd also have to search all the containers on ships coming in as well...

[BWFC_Insane]

I'm sure that if we left the EU all those EU member nations would definitely double up their security and border control to ensure that the migrants didn't get into the non EU member UK....of course....

[Hoboh]

The European commission and Germany are pushing for a new asylum and immigration regime under which successful asylum claimants would be shared across the union on a binding and permanent basis.

The issue is so divisive, especially in eastern Europe, that the topic will probably be avoided. The commission will also propose a new system of European borders and coastguards, beefing up the Warsaw-based Frontex agency to police the external frontiers.

“I can’t say there is big optimism,” said one of the diplomats. “There is a strong feeling that protection of external borders is the competence of the countries. Very many want to state their reservations.”

Many governments are keen to see European deployments at the main refugee entry points on the Greek islands and in southern Italy, but do not want them on their own borders.

“It’s a constitutional question in all member states,” said the second diplomat. “This is an issue of primary national sovereignty.”

Has Merkel said "we are all in this together yet"?

[Prufrock]

What does "binding and permanent" mean?

Send a bit daft to do it on that basis, and not the way for refugees to be anything other than a drain.

"I'm a heart surgeon who speaks English"
"The quota says you're going to France"
"Scalpel!"
"Quoi?"

Do they never get citizenship?

[thebish]

meanwhile - back in the real world where we need immigrants...

Overseas NHS nurses: Restrictions lifted amid widespread shortages. (Telegraph)


A report from NHS regulators published on Thursday warns that three quarters of hospitals are not safe enough.
The Care Quality Commission highlighted shortages of staff across all sectors which it said was one of the key drivers of safety risks.


£930 million
The combined deficit for NHS trusts in England for April-June 2015

4 in 5 NHS trusts
in England reported a deficit for April-June 2015

31 mental health trusts
were in deficit, as were 10 specialist trusts, nine community trusts and eight ambulance trusts

42% increase
The number of patients at foundation hospitals waiting longer than six weeks for diagnostic tests is up by almost a half (42%) on this time last year, to 10,800

56% of foundation trusts
The number of trusts not meeting the 62-day target for cancer referrals from GPs is up over a half (56%) on this time last year

29,000 people
at foundation hospitals waited on a trolley for more than four hours between the decision to admit them to A&E and their arrival on a ward. This was over a third (35%) higher than the same period last year

[Lost Leopard Spot]

meanwhile - back in the real world where we need immigrants...

Overseas NHS nurses: Restrictions lifted amid widespread shortages. (Telegraph)

Back in the real world, we will need at least three cities the size of Birmingham to accommodate all these migrants. Dead easy that, just choose anywhere and start building, piece of piss

[thebish]

meanwhile - back in the real world where we need immigrants...

Overseas NHS nurses: Restrictions lifted amid widespread shortages. (Telegraph)

Back in the real world, we will need at least three cities the size of Birmingham to accommodate all these migrants. Dead easy that, just choose anywhere and start building, piece of piss

just how many nurses do you think the govt is intent on allowing in!!! 3,000,000??

[Hoboh]

meanwhile - back in the real world where we need immigrants...

Overseas NHS nurses: Restrictions lifted amid widespread shortages. (Telegraph)


A report from NHS regulators published on Thursday warns that three quarters of hospitals are not safe enough.
The Care Quality Commission highlighted shortages of staff across all sectors which it said was one of the key drivers of safety risks.

And ask yourself why do we need them?
Our kids too thick and pampered, under educated or just plain bone idle due to the wipe their arses campaigns set up by the crazed liberals?
The huge inequality of pay between various health professionals?
Or the fact that under Labour and the Tories the cheaper option has been to import?

[thebish]

meanwhile - back in the real world where we need immigrants...

Overseas NHS nurses: Restrictions lifted amid widespread shortages. (Telegraph)


A report from NHS regulators published on Thursday warns that three quarters of hospitals are not safe enough.
The Care Quality Commission highlighted shortages of staff across all sectors which it said was one of the key drivers of safety risks.

And ask yourself why do we need them?

cos we're not training enough nurses... innit.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

meanwhile - back in the real world where we need immigrants...

Overseas NHS nurses: Restrictions lifted amid widespread shortages. (Telegraph)

Back in the real world, we will need at least three cities the size of Birmingham to accommodate all these migrants. Dead easy that, just choose anywhere and start building, piece of piss

just how many nurses do you think the govt is intent on allowing in!!! 3,000,000??

I said migrants not nurses. They are obviously just a subcategory.
Mind you the fact we need to import nurses makes a mockery of the society we were forging in the 50/60s.

[thebish]

well - I was merely talking about nurses - as was the Telegraph article. The govt is relaxing restrictions to let in more nurses - that's all!

I was fooled into thinking you were responding to my post!

[Lost Leopard Spot]

well - I was merely talking about nurses - as was the Telegraph article. The govt is relaxing restrictions to let in more nurses - that's all!

I was fooled into thinking you were responding to my post!

And strangely enough I expanded on your initial theme. Still doesn't explain how or where we'll stick these three new Birminghams.

[thebish]

well - I was merely talking about nurses - as was the Telegraph article. The govt is relaxing restrictions to let in more nurses - that's all!

I was fooled into thinking you were responding to my post!

And strangely enough I expanded on your initial theme. Still doesn't explain how or where we'll stick these three new Birminghams.

no need - the govt won't let in 3,000,000 nurses - I don't think they will relax the rules THAT much...

[Hoboh]

well - I was merely talking about nurses - as was the Telegraph article. The govt is relaxing restrictions to let in more nurses - that's all!

I was fooled into thinking you were responding to my post!

And strangely enough I expanded on your initial theme. Still doesn't explain how or where we'll stick these three new Birminghams.

no need - the govt won't let in 3,000,000 nurses - I don't think they will relax the rules THAT much...

Correct..................... The bloody EU will!

[thebish]

the EU will let 3,000,000 nurses into the UK?

[Hoboh]

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European leaders offer Turkey 'action plan' on migration crisis
EU leaders said to consider offering Ankara £2.2bn plus quicker visa-free travel for its citizens and resumed negotiations on EU membership

Oh how decent of them, allowing a country that sits idly by watching a slaughter on its border yet crosses that border with a military force to move a pile of old bones!
A country more than happy to allow terrorists to cross into Syria virtually unhindered and flies its warplanes over to bomb 'strategic targets' in both Syria and Iraq (and we know which targets they are hitting and it isn't ISIS).
A country being now implicated in the so called Sarin attacks in Syria alongside rebels and not the Syrian government as believed.
You want to stay a member of an institution that lets these types in?

[thebish]

[Worthy4England]