24th v 4th - Birmingham (h) 20/10/15
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Re: 24th v 4th - Birmingham (h) 20/10/15
We just need 3 wins on the spin - which would probably get us to mid/lower-mid table.
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Re: 24th v 4th - Birmingham (h) 20/10/15
Yes, we did lose and concede two at the weekend.Peter Thompson wrote:Didn't we also lose at the weekend & concede two goals ?Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:To be fair, PT, the back four last night was unchanged from the weekend. The one with a centre-back played at right-back despite us signing two right-backs this summer. The one with our best centre-back on the bench, and the two CB spots occupied by players Lennon didn't sign.Peter Thompson wrote:Lennon's brought in half a dozen new defenders (but now selects a back four based on his borrowed Freedman bingo machine.)
BWFCi: interesting stats but I don't think we'll need 55 points. As I recall, that season was a statistical outlier (not just a high relegation threshold but a low play-off/automatic promotion threshold). However, we do need to pick up the pace, noticeably, quickly. Although we are short of a striker, I don't think this is as terrible a squad as is being made out.
The worrying thing for me is that some selection decisions are starting to look a bit bizarro. Davies captain then dropped for an away game with a defensive midfield trio, then reinstated as part of basically a 4-2-4. Interesting that Lennon says he knew "Birmingham let you have possession" - controlling the game without the ball, anyone? Again: had it worked, we'd all be relieved and happy and admiring the manager. That's what happens to winners.
Re: 24th v 4th - Birmingham (h) 20/10/15
It's this statement I can't get my head round.Lost Leopard Spot wrote: "We had two off the line at one point and you've got to score. We decided to go two up because Birmingham let you have possession and we thought we'd take that away and be a bit more direct.
Go direct because a team lets you have the ball? What a ludicrous statement to make.
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Re: 24th v 4th - Birmingham (h) 20/10/15
Prince has a Zat Knight mistake-a-game habit but he's still the best defender we have - so play him FFS.
That won't solve much - we are weak all over the team - but Dervite last night was an embarrassment.
That won't solve much - we are weak all over the team - but Dervite last night was an embarrassment.
Re: 24th v 4th - Birmingham (h) 20/10/15
That appeared to be the case when we were defending well, creating stuff in midfield and just missing chances. It's way beyond that now. It'd help mind.CAPSLOCK wrote:We scored 3 at QPRnelson66 wrote:we just need a striker
nothing else
We lost
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Re: 24th v 4th - Birmingham (h) 20/10/15
Dervite was an interesting oneWilliam the White wrote:Prince has a Zat Knight mistake-a-game habit but he's still the best defender we have - so play him FFS.
That won't solve much - we are weak all over the team - but Dervite last night was an embarrassment.
Once he'd been booked and been let off, he should've been subbed
You'd have to ask Lennon why he chose not to
Anyway, while the defnce isn't perfect, it wasn't the problem last night
The problem was thinking Heskey and Madine together was a good idea and then asking Davies and Pratley to be the midfield
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Re: 24th v 4th - Birmingham (h) 20/10/15
I'd just like to point out in the interest of accuracy that it was actually Neil that said it not me I'd have said something along the lines of "because I knew that Birmingham let you keep the ball we planned to tippy tappy it all the way up the pitch and over the line on numerous occasions" - but then again I'm not paid to manage the team so what do I know?DJBlu wrote:It's this statement I can't get my head round.Lost Leopard Spot wrote: "We had two off the line at one point and you've got to score. We decided to go two up because Birmingham let you have possession and we thought we'd take that away and be a bit more direct.
Go direct because a team lets you have the ball? What a ludicrous statement to make.
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Re: 24th v 4th - Birmingham (h) 20/10/15
Could not agree more...CAPSLOCK wrote:Dervite was an interesting oneWilliam the White wrote:Prince has a Zat Knight mistake-a-game habit but he's still the best defender we have - so play him FFS.
That won't solve much - we are weak all over the team - but Dervite last night was an embarrassment.
Once he'd been booked and been let off, he should've been subbed
You'd have to ask Lennon why he chose not to
Anyway, while the defnce isn't perfect, it wasn't the problem last night
The problem wasthinking Heskey and Madine together was a good idea[/b] and then asking Davies and Pratley to be the midfield
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Re: 24th v 4th - Birmingham (h) 20/10/15
Yes this gets me as well....its crazy from Lennon it really is - so basically we don't want the possession they allow us and decide to give the ball straight back by hoofing it to the useless, static Madine & Heskey.DJBlu wrote:It's this statement I can't get my head round.Lost Leopard Spot wrote: "We had two off the line at one point and you've got to score. We decided to go two up because Birmingham let you have possession and we thought we'd take that away and be a bit more direct.
Go direct because a team lets you have the ball? What a ludicrous statement to make.
Baffled.
This just shows how tactically inept & naïve he is....
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Anyway, while I'm thoroughly pissed off and would gladly have turned around last night and got the slippers out, he picked the wrong team
So long as his answer isn't to play 3 at the back, I'm happy we crack on
But for me, a bigger problem than strange selections is the way confidence seems to be draining out of the team
Its understandable but very worrying
So long as his answer isn't to play 3 at the back, I'm happy we crack on
But for me, a bigger problem than strange selections is the way confidence seems to be draining out of the team
Its understandable but very worrying
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Re: 24th v 4th - Birmingham (h) 20/10/15
If we dont take at least 4 points from the next 2 lenny will have to go.
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I felt that way after QPR. Our goalie threw one in and they scored a couple of screamers, otherwise I thought we defended quite well.CAPSLOCK wrote:Anyway, while the defnce isn't perfect, it wasn't the problem last night
I know some folk like to habitually criticise certain players and some like to apportion blame for every goal we concede no matter how far back in play they need to reference, but sometimes the opposition just do something that's too good.
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Re: 24th v 4th - Birmingham (h) 20/10/15
We'll be lucky to take 4 points from the next 2 months never mind 2 games....Adam Bwfc wrote:If we dont take at least 4 points from the next 2 lenny will have to go.
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Re: 24th v 4th - Birmingham (h) 20/10/15
Peter Thompson wrote:We'll be lucky to take 4 points from the next 2 months never mind 2 games....Adam Bwfc wrote:If we dont take at least 4 points from the next 2 lenny will have to go.
We do seem to generally try and work round international breaks for managerial changes - we've just had one of those...
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Re: 24th v 4th - Birmingham (h) 20/10/15
There's another in 17 days. Before then:Worthy4England wrote:We do seem to generally try and work round international breaks for managerial changes - we've just had one of those...
Sat 24 Oct - Home to Leeds (currently 19th)
Sat 31 Oct - Away at Preston (17th)
Tue 3 Nov - Away at Ipswich (11th)
Sat 7 Nov – Home to Bristol City (21st)
Hmm.
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Re: 24th v 4th - Birmingham (h) 20/10/15
Thanks for looking that up. I reckon any less than 7 points he's got to be in trouble...Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:There's another in 17 days. Before then:Worthy4England wrote:We do seem to generally try and work round international breaks for managerial changes - we've just had one of those...
Sat 24 Oct - Home to Leeds (currently 19th)
Sat 31 Oct - Away at Preston (17th)
Tue 3 Nov - Away at Ipswich (11th)
Sat 7 Nov – Home to Bristol City (21st)
Hmm.
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Re: 24th v 4th - Birmingham (h) 20/10/15
One should, really, be hoping for 9 points out of that lot, be grateful for 7, be satisfied with 6, be expecting at least 4, whingeing at 3, and be thoroughly utterly pissed off with 2 or less.Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:There's another in 17 days. Before then:Worthy4England wrote:We do seem to generally try and work round international breaks for managerial changes - we've just had one of those...
Sat 24 Oct - Home to Leeds (currently 19th)
Sat 31 Oct - Away at Preston (17th)
Tue 3 Nov - Away at Ipswich (11th)
Sat 7 Nov – Home to Bristol City (21st)
Hmm.
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Re: 24th v 4th - Birmingham (h) 20/10/15
To be fair I would bin him off now, one win in 17 is nothing short of a disgrace and these are his players he has signed.
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Re: 24th v 4th - Birmingham (h) 20/10/15
Well no, we don't need 55 probably. But may well need to get to 50 or 49. Which still requires considerable and rapid improvement if we are to look like doing that.Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:Yes, we did lose and concede two at the weekend.Peter Thompson wrote:Didn't we also lose at the weekend & concede two goals ?Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:To be fair, PT, the back four last night was unchanged from the weekend. The one with a centre-back played at right-back despite us signing two right-backs this summer. The one with our best centre-back on the bench, and the two CB spots occupied by players Lennon didn't sign.Peter Thompson wrote:Lennon's brought in half a dozen new defenders (but now selects a back four based on his borrowed Freedman bingo machine.)
BWFCi: interesting stats but I don't think we'll need 55 points. As I recall, that season was a statistical outlier (not just a high relegation threshold but a low play-off/automatic promotion threshold). However, we do need to pick up the pace, noticeably, quickly. Although we are short of a striker, I don't think this is as terrible a squad as is being made out.
The worrying thing for me is that some selection decisions are starting to look a bit bizarro. Davies captain then dropped for an away game with a defensive midfield trio, then reinstated as part of basically a 4-2-4. Interesting that Lennon says he knew "Birmingham let you have possession" - controlling the game without the ball, anyone? Again: had it worked, we'd all be relieved and happy and admiring the manager. That's what happens to winners.
As for the selections and tactics I agree. More worrying still as others have pointed out is that we are back at the end of Freedman time levels of energy, confidence and belief it seems. I didn't see a team playing for a manager last night. Or even playing for themselves. They looked almost accepting of their fate and one thing that I'd expect Lennon to bring is fight, but that wasn't evident last night.
Also agree, the squad in my view isn't a bottom 6 squad. But it is easy to keep saying that. Lennon pretty much said we're not good enough last night. But this isn't all that different to the squad Freedman said wasn't good enough and then Lennon came in and managed to squeeze a good run of form out of. If you take Chungy out, I don't think we've significantly lost a player who wasn't Lennon's choice. I suppose the only issue is our ability to go and get "patch up" loans is reduced. We apparently have room for one, but finding one to make a difference isn't easy.
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