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Post by Enoch » Sun Dec 06, 2015 6:54 pm

So out of interest, why did you think the debt was going up year on year?

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Post by BWFC_Insane » Sun Dec 06, 2015 6:56 pm

Enoch wrote:So out of interest, why did you think the debt was going up year on year?
The debt had been going up ever year for a long time. That was a meaningless statistic. The point was that Eddie wasn't paying our bills anymore.

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Post by Enoch » Sun Dec 06, 2015 7:20 pm

I'm out.

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Re: Xpro

Post by thebish » Sun Dec 06, 2015 8:21 pm

Enoch wrote:So out of interest, why did you think the debt was going up year on year?
ahh! see what you did there.. :D

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Re: Xpro

Post by Worthy4England » Sun Dec 06, 2015 11:35 pm

I'm confused at the 50 year funding gap that you've missed, Mr BWFCI. When is the last time you could point to BWFC being self sufficient?

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Re: Xpro

Post by BWFC_Insane » Mon Dec 07, 2015 9:27 am

Worthy4England wrote:I'm confused at the 50 year funding gap that you've missed, Mr BWFCI. When is the last time you could point to BWFC being self sufficient?
By funding gap I mean we didn't have money (self generated or loaned safely) to pay basic bills and operating costs.

Yes I realise we haven't been self sufficient, but have instead relied on Eddie to cover our losses.

But my point was that whilst we all knew finances had tightened and wage bill had been reduced we did not know that there wasn't enough in the kitty to keep the club afloat. There had been mentions of it and the BN went to the club for comment and things were generally laughed off.

I was one of many on here who laughed off suggestions of admin. Nixon has been saying for a year that things were bad and getting worse. As I say I thought he was just trying to generate a story. We all knew things were a bit tricky but I don't think many predicted this situation arising as quickly as it has.

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Post by thebish » Mon Dec 07, 2015 9:43 am

BWFC_Insane wrote:
Worthy4England wrote:I'm confused at the 50 year funding gap that you've missed, Mr BWFCI. When is the last time you could point to BWFC being self sufficient?
By funding gap I mean we didn't have money (self generated or loaned safely) to pay basic bills and operating costs.

Yes I realise we haven't been self sufficient, but have instead relied on Eddie to cover our losses.

But my point was that whilst we all knew finances had tightened and wage bill had been reduced we did not know that there wasn't enough in the kitty to keep the club afloat. There had been mentions of it and the BN went to the club for comment and things were generally laughed off.

I was one of many on here who laughed off suggestions of admin. Nixon has been saying for a year that things were bad and getting worse. As I say I thought he was just trying to generate a story. We all knew things were a bit tricky but I don't think many predicted this situation arising as quickly as it has.
so have most people on here, if not all. in fact - folk on here have been saying that for longer than a year!! keep up Nixon!

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Post by BWFC_Insane » Mon Dec 07, 2015 9:45 am

thebish wrote: so have most people on here, if not all. in fact - folk on here have been saying that for longer than a year!! keep up Nixon!
I haven't seen many on here genuinely talking about the club going out of business. Or perhaps those that did were roundly laughed off (I'd have been laughing them off as well).

I can guarantee that if I'd posted the tweets he made earlier this season you'd have been saying he was just "sensationalising" or some such.

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Post by thebish » Mon Dec 07, 2015 9:52 am

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thebish wrote: so have most people on here, if not all. in fact - folk on here have been saying that for longer than a year!! keep up Nixon!
I haven't seen many on here genuinely talking about the club going out of business. Or perhaps those that did were roundly laughed off (I'd have been laughing them off as well).

I can guarantee that if I'd posted the tweets he made earlier this season you'd have been saying he was just "sensationalising" or some such.

fair enough... tell you what, here's an idea..

when we go out of business - then you can post a HUGE "told you so" and I will make the long journey to Bolton and do the town-hall steps routine.

and I'll build you a statue of Nixon out of toilet roll tubes, ping-pong balls and such-like.

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Post by Bruce Rioja » Mon Dec 07, 2015 10:04 am

BWFC_Insane wrote: I haven't seen many on here genuinely talking about the club going out of business.
You have had a year off. ;)
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Post by Worthy4England » Mon Dec 07, 2015 10:22 am

BWFC_Insane wrote:
thebish wrote: so have most people on here, if not all. in fact - folk on here have been saying that for longer than a year!! keep up Nixon!
I haven't seen many on here genuinely talking about the club going out of business. Or perhaps those that did were roundly laughed off (I'd have been laughing them off as well).

I can guarantee that if I'd posted the tweets he made earlier this season you'd have been saying he was just "sensationalising" or some such.
The bit I'm confused about is the element of surprise you want to lay at ED's door. Given the 2014 Accounts identified a shortfall and we put in place various loans to cover the fact, I think the surprise is that these loans didn't cover the shortfall (not that the shortfall was a surprise). Given this should have bern known in July at the latest, someone needs to explain how we continued to sign players after that, if we knew there was going to be a gap...

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Post by Enoch » Mon Dec 07, 2015 10:59 am

Worthy4England wrote:Given the 2014 Accounts identified a shortfall and we put in place various loans to cover the fact,
Some from loan sharks rather than a High St bank to boot.

That wasn't a clue I guess.

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Re: Xpro

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Worthy4England wrote:
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thebish wrote: so have most people on here, if not all. in fact - folk on here have been saying that for longer than a year!! keep up Nixon!
I haven't seen many on here genuinely talking about the club going out of business. Or perhaps those that did were roundly laughed off (I'd have been laughing them off as well).

I can guarantee that if I'd posted the tweets he made earlier this season you'd have been saying he was just "sensationalising" or some such.
The bit I'm confused about is the element of surprise you want to lay at ED's door. Given the 2014 Accounts identified a shortfall and we put in place various loans to cover the fact, I think the surprise is that these loans didn't cover the shortfall (not that the shortfall was a surprise). Given this should have bern known in July at the latest, someone needs to explain how we continued to sign players after that, if we knew there was going to be a gap...
We're agreeing I think. I'm not laying the element of surprise at ED's door. Just that inspite of the extra loans and land sale we are still unable to operate.

And with you on the signing players thing. We were still trying to sign players just a couple of weeks back (until suddenly Lennon was told no with a deal very advanced).

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Re: Xpro

Post by Worthy4England » Mon Dec 07, 2015 12:18 pm

If the Nucleus loan in July wasn't to cover our opex for the season, then we probably shouldn't have been recruiting, but then I guess Lennon might have told us where to stick it...which would also cost us money...

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Post by Enoch » Mon Dec 07, 2015 12:31 pm

Worthy4England wrote:but then I guess Lennon might have told us where to stick it...which would also cost us money...
I'm not so convinced on that point, unless he managed to make a constructive claim stick. His resignation might help us stay in the Championship, possibly, maybe.

Any replacement couldn't really make things worse.

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Post by BWFC_Insane » Mon Dec 07, 2015 12:39 pm

Worthy4England wrote:If the Nucleus loan in July wasn't to cover our opex for the season, then we probably shouldn't have been recruiting, but then I guess Lennon might have told us where to stick it...which would also cost us money...
Why would it cost us? He walks away, of his own choosing and we needn't spend anything replacing him. Pick someone on the payroll already to do it.

Ok it might cost a small amount. But less than the salaries of the signed players - some of whom are on the books next season too (unless transferred).

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Re: Xpro

Post by General Mannerheim » Mon Dec 07, 2015 1:02 pm

why are new managers not signing contracts with clauses in them these days to say if they turn out to be shit the club can sack them for free? laymans terms obviously but in a roundabout way; 'meet these targets or else?'

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Re: Xpro

Post by Worthy4England » Mon Dec 07, 2015 1:57 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:
Worthy4England wrote:If the Nucleus loan in July wasn't to cover our opex for the season, then we probably shouldn't have been recruiting, but then I guess Lennon might have told us where to stick it...which would also cost us money...
Why would it cost us? He walks away, of his own choosing and we needn't spend anything replacing him. Pick someone on the payroll already to do it.

Ok it might cost a small amount. But less than the salaries of the signed players - some of whom are on the books next season too (unless transferred).
It might not, but I can't recall the last time we got shut of someone without a settlement. And he has been quoted a number of times about "being in the dark" so I was wondering whether he might suggest constructive...

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Re: Xpro

Post by Bruce Rioja » Mon Dec 07, 2015 1:59 pm

Get Jimmy Pip in. :oyea:
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Re: Xpro

Post by Worthy4England » Mon Dec 07, 2015 2:07 pm

Aye - he said that in press comments at the time, too, iirc.

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