Muslims, racists, individuals and attitudes.

[Prufrock]

I've never got the "they're not a race" argument. So what? Hating people on account of their religion still makes you a cock. It's like your defence to a charge of sexism being "well actually I'm homophobic". Oh, right then.

Islamophobia is a bobbins word. The optimistic young gun inside me likes to think its use is because the word "muslimophobia" is so ugly; the cynic inside me suggests it's come about from people with vested interests deliberately conflating ideas with people so as to shield them from criticism.

So it depends what you mean when you describe yourself as Islamophobic: if you mean you hate Islam, well I don't necessarily agree, but fine. If you mean you hate Muslims, well that's high-class twattery.

EDIT: Ugh, typos. No phone, I don't mean "deliberately confusing". I wouldn't be too worried about war of the machines yet.

[BWFC_Insane]

Yeah. Brilliant up to the bit where you do exactly the same as the polar opposite.

Do you watch the news?
Was it me that planted a pressure cooker bomb at the finish line of a marathon?
Was it me that slaughtered a room full of people for drawing a cartoon?
Was it me that sliced off the head of a hog tied journalist in Pakistan?
Was I amongst the crowd of millions in Tehran that bayed for the blood of an author?
Was I amongst the millions dancing for joy on every fxcking Muslim inhabited street watching and cheering as office workers threw themselves to death to avoid being baked alive in a burning skyscraper?
Was it me that flew a plane full of innocent people into that very tower block?

You don't half talk some bollox sometimes.

Neither was it you that murdered millions of Jews.

It was though a bunch of white 'Christians'.

I don't think ascribing negative characteristic onto any race or religion or culture en masse is helpful.

[Lord Kangana]

Yeah. Brilliant up to the bit where you do exactly the same as the polar opposite.

Do you watch the news?
Was it me that planted a pressure cooker bomb at the finish line of a marathon?
Was it me that slaughtered a room full of people for drawing a cartoon?
Was it me that sliced off the head of a hog tied journalist in Pakistan?
Was I amongst the crowd of millions in Tehran that bayed for the blood of an author?
Was I amongst the millions dancing for joy on every fxcking Muslim inhabited street watching and cheering as office workers threw themselves to death to avoid being baked alive in a burning skyscraper?
Was it me that flew a plane full of innocent people into that very tower block?

You don't half talk some bollox sometimes.

Out of interest, of the 1.6 billion (estimated) adherents to Islam, how many do you think were involved in those? Roughly, obviously. Wouldn't want you to look silly by committing yourself too soon.

[thebish]

it was spotty's lot that did this in Burma a couple of years ago...

Northern Rakhine - home to 80 percent of the country's 1 million long-persecuted Muslim Rohingya population - is off-limits to foreign journalists and humanitarian aid workers have limited access, adding to the difficulties of confirming details about the violence. Attacks began Jan. 9 and peaked in the early hours of Jan. 14, according to residents. Buddhist Rakhine mobs, seeking retaliation for the abduction and killing of a police officer by Rohingya villagers, entered under the cloak of darkness with knives, sticks and guns and went on a killing spree, residents in the area told the AP on condition of anonymity because they feared reprisals. Many of the victims were women and children, hacked to death by the mobs, they said.

[CrazyHorse]

Love threads like this me.
They really bring out the best in people.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Yeah. Brilliant up to the bit where you do exactly the same as the polar opposite.

Do you watch the news?
Was it me that planted a pressure cooker bomb at the finish line of a marathon?
Was it me that slaughtered a room full of people for drawing a cartoon?
Was it me that sliced off the head of a hog tied journalist in Pakistan?
Was I amongst the crowd of millions in Tehran that bayed for the blood of an author?
Was I amongst the millions dancing for joy on every fxcking Muslim inhabited street watching and cheering as office workers threw themselves to death to avoid being baked alive in a burning skyscraper?
Was it me that flew a plane full of innocent people into that very tower block?

You don't half talk some bollox sometimes.

Out of interest, of the 1.6 billion (estimated) adherents to Islam, how many do you think were involved in those? Roughly, obviously. Wouldn't want you to look silly by committing yourself too soon.

Well, let's see, of the nearly seven million members of the NSDAP how many do you estimate actually stoked the ovens? (the proportion is about the same, something like 0.01%) It's not necessarily the number of people who carry out the actions, it's the philosophy that lies behind the actions.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

And I love the comparison between me complaining about cxnts who kill people as being regarded as bad as the cxnts who kill people. Fxcking brilliant that is.
And Pru, Islam not Muslim. But Muslims do follow Islam.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

it was spotty's lot that did this in Burma a couple of years ago...

Northern Rakhine - home to 80 percent of the country's 1 million long-persecuted Muslim Rohingya population - is off-limits to foreign journalists and humanitarian aid workers have limited access, adding to the difficulties of confirming details about the violence. Attacks began Jan. 9 and peaked in the early hours of Jan. 14, according to residents. Buddhist Rakhine mobs, seeking retaliation for the abduction and killing of a police officer by Rohingya villagers, entered under the cloak of darkness with knives, sticks and guns and went on a killing spree, residents in the area told the AP on condition of anonymity because they feared reprisals. Many of the victims were women and children, hacked to death by the mobs, they said.

My lot?

[thebish]

it was spotty's lot that did this in Burma a couple of years ago...

Northern Rakhine - home to 80 percent of the country's 1 million long-persecuted Muslim Rohingya population - is off-limits to foreign journalists and humanitarian aid workers have limited access, adding to the difficulties of confirming details about the violence. Attacks began Jan. 9 and peaked in the early hours of Jan. 14, according to residents. Buddhist Rakhine mobs, seeking retaliation for the abduction and killing of a police officer by Rohingya villagers, entered under the cloak of darkness with knives, sticks and guns and went on a killing spree, residents in the area told the AP on condition of anonymity because they feared reprisals. Many of the victims were women and children, hacked to death by the mobs, they said.

My lot?

aye - buddhists.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

it was spotty's lot that did this in Burma a couple of years ago...

Northern Rakhine - home to 80 percent of the country's 1 million long-persecuted Muslim Rohingya population - is off-limits to foreign journalists and humanitarian aid workers have limited access, adding to the difficulties of confirming details about the violence. Attacks began Jan. 9 and peaked in the early hours of Jan. 14, according to residents. Buddhist Rakhine mobs, seeking retaliation for the abduction and killing of a police officer by Rohingya villagers, entered under the cloak of darkness with knives, sticks and guns and went on a killing spree, residents in the area told the AP on condition of anonymity because they feared reprisals. Many of the victims were women and children, hacked to death by the mobs, they said.

My lot?

aye - buddhists.

Marvellous. Is this rapine and killing part of my lot's philosophy?
Do Buddhists all over the world go around muttering about the filthy Rakhine, the cxnts?
Do we have ayotollah lamas preaching this shit in Finsbury Park?
And did you miss the bit where I differentiated between religious and non-religious Buddhists, you know those who just follow faithfully like fxcking sheep and those who think?

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Love threads like this me.
They really bring out the best in people.

Like the one's in The Terraces where we are about to smack Eddie Davies in the teeth, you mean?

[CrazyHorse]

If you like, yeah.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

If you like, yeah.

Me too. Makes you think why humans rule the world.

[thebish]

it was spotty's lot that did this in Burma a couple of years ago...

Northern Rakhine - home to 80 percent of the country's 1 million long-persecuted Muslim Rohingya population - is off-limits to foreign journalists and humanitarian aid workers have limited access, adding to the difficulties of confirming details about the violence. Attacks began Jan. 9 and peaked in the early hours of Jan. 14, according to residents. Buddhist Rakhine mobs, seeking retaliation for the abduction and killing of a police officer by Rohingya villagers, entered under the cloak of darkness with knives, sticks and guns and went on a killing spree, residents in the area told the AP on condition of anonymity because they feared reprisals. Many of the victims were women and children, hacked to death by the mobs, they said.

My lot?

aye - buddhists.

Marvellous. Is this rapine and killing part of my lot's philosophy?
Do Buddhists all over the world go around muttering about the filthy Rakhine, the cxnts?
Do we have ayotollah lamas preaching this shit in Finsbury Park?
And did you miss the bit where I differentiated between religious and non-religious Buddhists, you know those who just follow faithfully like fxcking sheep and those who think?

hmmm...

I might be mistaken but it sounds very much to me like your argument is:

I'm a Buddhist
there are nasty murdering c&nt Buddhists who murder children
but I'm a different kind of Buddhist to them - I'm a nice one
all of us Buddhists are not the same, you see, I'd like you to differentiate
and I'm a bit cross that you would generalise so as to call them "my lot"

[Lost Leopard Spot]

it was spotty's lot that did this in Burma a couple of years ago...

Northern Rakhine - home to 80 percent of the country's 1 million long-persecuted Muslim Rohingya population - is off-limits to foreign journalists and humanitarian aid workers have limited access, adding to the difficulties of confirming details about the violence. Attacks began Jan. 9 and peaked in the early hours of Jan. 14, according to residents. Buddhist Rakhine mobs, seeking retaliation for the abduction and killing of a police officer by Rohingya villagers, entered under the cloak of darkness with knives, sticks and guns and went on a killing spree, residents in the area told the AP on condition of anonymity because they feared reprisals. Many of the victims were women and children, hacked to death by the mobs, they said.

My lot?

hmmm...

I might be mistaken but it sounds very much to me like your argument is:

I'm a Buddhist
there are nasty murdering c&nt Buddhists who murder children
but I'm a different kind of Buddhist to them - I'm a nice one
all of us Buddhists are not the same, you see, I'd like you to differentiate
and I'm a bit cross that you would generalise so as to call them "my lot"

No, incorrect. That's the argument you'd like me to have, but mine is a different argument.
Mine goes like this: People of all races and cultures murder other people. Some do singly and to their own personal agenda and others do it in an orchestrated fashion under the leadership of organisations. The murderous organisations are usually founded on some ethos, quite often religious. My bugbear is that the majority of these killers are inspired through Islam.
You may disagree, and you can be as much of a Buddistophobe as you want. But if you honestly think that one of the largest problems we have on this planet is Buddhism and not Islam, then from my point of view you have a poor sense of judgement.

[Bruce Rioja]

[thebish]

But if you honestly think that one of the largest problems we have on this planet is Buddhism and not Islam, then from my point of view you have a poor sense of judgement.

I don't believe there is any place where I have said anything even remotely like "one of the largest problems we have on this planet is Buddhism".

what I do think is that it is stupid to tar a whole religion with the c&ntish acts of a small part/faction of that religion.

you clearly don't like it when your religion is tarred thusly.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

But if you honestly think that one of the largest problems we have on this planet is Buddhism and not Islam, then from my point of view you have a poor sense of judgement.

I don't believe there is any place where I have said anything even remotely like "one of the largest problems we have on this planet is Buddhism".

what I do think is that it is stupid to tar a whole religion with the c&ntish acts of a small part/faction of that religion.

you clearly don't like it when your religion is tarred thusly.

You are very good on dialectical argument. You keep dragging things over to how you want to see things.
So in counter-answer, I don't think it's stupid to tar a whole religion with the c&ntish (as you so eloquently put it)acts of a few, not if it's the fault of the religious teachings themselves that inspire the c&ntishness in the first place. There's a reason why women are treated so lowly in Islamic societies and that's because the religious texts and proclamations based on those texts instruct Muslims to behave in that manner. And you can bang on all you want about Buddhists, it doesn't affect my argument one little bit.
And when you say the c&ntish acts of a small number/sect you are missing a significant point. Shia and Sunni disagree on points of legitimacy - but they both espouse similar blood curdling philosophies, and both claim to speak for all Muslims. When Ayotollah Khomeini issued his fatwa condemning Salman Rushdie to death it mattered not one jot to me that that was a Shia fatwa (and ululated my millions on the streets of Tehran), just as it doesn't matter that Islamic State are Sunni - they are all Muslim, even if you, and they, argue differently.

[thebish]

it's not merely how I see things.

you identified yourself with Buddhism
you think it's OK to tar a whole religion with the c&ntish acts of a few
you identify the ALL with the FEW

but don't like it when it applies to you - you want special case rules to apply to you and not them.


earlier in the thread you wrote this:

Was I amongst the millions dancing for joy on every fxcking Muslim inhabited street watching and cheering as office workers threw themselves to death to avoid being baked alive in a burning skyscraper?

every muslim inhabited street? really? you and I know that there was NOT cheering on every muslim inhabited street. I very much doubt whether there was cheering on even 1% of muslim inhabited streets. yet it doesn't stop you tarring the ALL with the actions of the FEW.

as for it being the "fault of the religious teachings themselves" - and thus justifying your stance... bollox - the vast majority of muslims find a way to follow the teachings without being murderous c&nts - as you do with your Buddhism and as i do with my christianity.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

it's not merely how I see things.

you identified yourself with Buddhism
you think it's OK to tar a whole religion with the c&ntish acts of a few
you identify the ALL with the FEW

but don't like it when it applies to you - you want special case rules to apply to you and not them.


earlier in the thread you wrote this:

Was I amongst the millions dancing for joy on every fxcking Muslim inhabited street watching and cheering as office workers threw themselves to death to avoid being baked alive in a burning skyscraper?

every muslim inhabited street? really? you and I know that there was NOT cheering on every muslim inhabited street. I very much doubt whether there was cheering on even 1% of muslim inhabited streets. yet it doesn't stop you tarring the ALL with the actions of the FEW.

as for it being the "fault of the religious teachings themselves" - and thus justifying your stance... bollox - the vast majority of muslims find a way to follow the teachings without being murderous c&nts - as you do with your Buddhism and as i do with my christianity.

My previous comment was mere hyperbole.
The millions on the streets cheering it on wasn't.
The Ayattollah calling upon millions of followers to kill one man for writing a book was real.

It's only you, once again ascribing what you want me to think, saying I was bothered about 'not liking what applied to me'. I don't give an ant's fart if you post every murder a Buddhist has committed and ascribe it to my lot... Feel free.