Hanging on, January Transfer Window thread 2017

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Re: Hanging on, January Transfer Window thread 2017

Post by TKIZ! » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:19 pm

Looks like previous Parky charge Felipe Morais might be joining us
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Re: Hanging on, January Transfer Window thread 2017

Post by jimbo » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:19 pm

Gut feeling is I'd be surprised if clough goes - he turned down a similar move last year and with a good next few months here he'll be back at that level anyway. If we don't go up, there'll still be someone in for him in summer so he could move on then.

If he does go, how does parky arrange our front 6?

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Re: Hanging on, January Transfer Window thread 2017

Post by officer_dibble » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:20 pm

Ighalo to china for £20mil

Can we not get Cloughie down chinatown to spark some interest?

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Re: Hanging on, January Transfer Window thread 2017

Post by Worthy4England » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:23 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:
Nicko58 wrote:The accepted bid for Clough is £2.5M.
If Clough is half as good as many think, others would be all over that. Which would drive the price up.
He's scored better than 1 in 3 for us. Sure at Chump and Lge 1 levels (21 in 58 league) - but that's the level we're playing at. You can be as dismissive of that as you will but bear in mind that Anelka only bagged 21 in 53 and he was apparently a god.

I know you seem to shun players who score, from your arguments about Madine and other non-scoring forwards - seemingly we can do without them. I await with eagerness the next 3 points we're awarded because Madine has won 90% of his aerial duels.

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Post by BWFC_Insane » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:25 pm

TANGODANCER wrote:Bad job if Clough goes that cheap. Always the case with clubs like us these days; we get a bit of talent, somebody steps in with a cut price offer and it's back to the drawing board. Like I said elsewhere, two million pounds sound like big money but in football it's pocket change. Pogba's car probably cost more than most of our squad. Ah well, no doubt the wheel will keep turning and who knows...?
Like I said before, we can't pay the bills. How are we meant to keep the club going? It's about 500K a month needed. Who is paying that?

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Re: Hanging on, January Transfer Window thread 2017

Post by palindromeofbolton » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:26 pm

Lee Anderson on twitter replying to the question "has a bid been accepted":

"At 19:13 no".

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Re: Hanging on, January Transfer Window thread 2017

Post by DJBlu » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:27 pm

Nicko58 wrote:Lee Anderson is now saying that we haven't yet accepted a bid for Clough, however it sounds very much as if we will.
That's the trouble with deadline day.

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Re: Hanging on, January Transfer Window thread 2017

Post by BWFC_Insane » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:28 pm

Worthy4England wrote:
BWFC_Insane wrote:
Nicko58 wrote:The accepted bid for Clough is £2.5M.
If Clough is half as good as many think, others would be all over that. Which would drive the price up.
He's scored better than 1 in 3 for us. Sure at Chump and Lge 1 levels (21 in 58 league) - but that's the level we're playing at. You can be as dismissive of that as you will but bear in mind that Anelka only bagged 21 in 53 and he was apparently a god.

I know you seem to shun players who score, from your arguments about Madine and other non-scoring forwards - seemingly we can do without them. I await with eagerness the next 3 points we're awarded because Madine has won 90% of his aerial duels.
All I'm saying is that if he's that good, better than Forest will be in at that sort of price. Which would drive the price up. If at that price only Forest are in, it does perhaps suggest others have looked and decided against.

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Re: Hanging on, January Transfer Window thread 2017

Post by Tombwfc » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:41 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:
Worthy4England wrote:
BWFC_Insane wrote:
Nicko58 wrote:The accepted bid for Clough is £2.5M.
If Clough is half as good as many think, others would be all over that. Which would drive the price up.
He's scored better than 1 in 3 for us. Sure at Chump and Lge 1 levels (21 in 58 league) - but that's the level we're playing at. You can be as dismissive of that as you will but bear in mind that Anelka only bagged 21 in 53 and he was apparently a god.

I know you seem to shun players who score, from your arguments about Madine and other non-scoring forwards - seemingly we can do without them. I await with eagerness the next 3 points we're awarded because Madine has won 90% of his aerial duels.
All I'm saying is that if he's that good, better than Forest will be in at that sort of price. Which would drive the price up. If at that price only Forest are in, it does perhaps suggest others have looked and decided against.
Which proves what exactly? Anyone with a pair of eyes can see that selling Clough weakens us.

As for whether he'd go to Forest as they're a basket case, we're hardly a sure thing are we? At least he's likely to get paid on time.

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Re: Hanging on, January Transfer Window thread 2017

Post by Worthy4England » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:42 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:
Worthy4England wrote:
BWFC_Insane wrote:
Nicko58 wrote:The accepted bid for Clough is £2.5M.
If Clough is half as good as many think, others would be all over that. Which would drive the price up.
He's scored better than 1 in 3 for us. Sure at Chump and Lge 1 levels (21 in 58 league) - but that's the level we're playing at. You can be as dismissive of that as you will but bear in mind that Anelka only bagged 21 in 53 and he was apparently a god.

I know you seem to shun players who score, from your arguments about Madine and other non-scoring forwards - seemingly we can do without them. I await with eagerness the next 3 points we're awarded because Madine has won 90% of his aerial duels.
All I'm saying is that if he's that good, better than Forest will be in at that sort of price. Which would drive the price up. If at that price only Forest are in, it does perhaps suggest others have looked and decided against.
He's as good as 21 in 58 at Chump/L1 level. He may or may not be a 15 goal a season premiership striker in the future (I don't believe he will, but no matter) - So £2.5m is what we have on the table (or £3.5 or whatever it is). We know we've had other offers prior to this for him. That's no direct indication of how good he is or isn't, that's an indication of what the market thinks it wants to pay for him. Chelsea paid £40m for Torres....he was great for them.

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Re: Hanging on, January Transfer Window thread 2017

Post by Worthy4England » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:44 pm

Tombwfc wrote:
BWFC_Insane wrote:
Worthy4England wrote:
BWFC_Insane wrote:
Nicko58 wrote:The accepted bid for Clough is £2.5M.
If Clough is half as good as many think, others would be all over that. Which would drive the price up.
He's scored better than 1 in 3 for us. Sure at Chump and Lge 1 levels (21 in 58 league) - but that's the level we're playing at. You can be as dismissive of that as you will but bear in mind that Anelka only bagged 21 in 53 and he was apparently a god.

I know you seem to shun players who score, from your arguments about Madine and other non-scoring forwards - seemingly we can do without them. I await with eagerness the next 3 points we're awarded because Madine has won 90% of his aerial duels.
All I'm saying is that if he's that good, better than Forest will be in at that sort of price. Which would drive the price up. If at that price only Forest are in, it does perhaps suggest others have looked and decided against.
Which proves what exactly? Anyone with a pair of eyes can see that selling Clough weakens us.

As for whether he'd go to Forest as they're a basket case, we're hardly a sure thing are we? At least he's likely to get paid on time.
Quite - All Madine has to do is double his strike rate and we'll be reet. Shouldn't be too much to ask.

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Re: Hanging on, January Transfer Window thread 2017

Post by TANGODANCER » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:44 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:
TANGODANCER wrote:Bad job if Clough goes that cheap. Always the case with clubs like us these days; we get a bit of talent, somebody steps in with a cut price offer and it's back to the drawing board. Like I said elsewhere, two million pounds sound like big money but in football it's pocket change. Pogba's car probably cost more than most of our squad. Ah well, no doubt the wheel will keep turning and who knows...?
Like I said before, we can't pay the bills. How are we meant to keep the club going? It's about 500K a month needed. Who is paying that?
Me, our dog Alfie and most of those who live in the parish know this. Bolton as a club know it and yet are constantly dealing in the bazaar for ways to move on. The club has to be paying part of its way via crowds and catering apart from any other varied interests. If its as bad as you say then why are we bothering playing football? Could it be that people still believe in Bolton Wanderers and don't live off doom pills and hemlock? Keep the faith man. :wink:
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Re: Hanging on, January Transfer Window thread 2017

Post by BWFC_Insane » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:50 pm

TANGODANCER wrote:
BWFC_Insane wrote:
TANGODANCER wrote:Bad job if Clough goes that cheap. Always the case with clubs like us these days; we get a bit of talent, somebody steps in with a cut price offer and it's back to the drawing board. Like I said elsewhere, two million pounds sound like big money but in football it's pocket change. Pogba's car probably cost more than most of our squad. Ah well, no doubt the wheel will keep turning and who knows...?
Like I said before, we can't pay the bills. How are we meant to keep the club going? It's about 500K a month needed. Who is paying that?
Me, our dog Alfie and most of those who live in the parish know this. Bolton as a club know it and yet are constantly dealing in the bazaar for ways to move on. The club has to be paying part of its way via crowds and catering apart from any other varied interests. If its as bad as you say then why are we bothering playing football? Could it be that people still believe in Bolton Wanderers and don't live off doom pills and hemlock? Keep the faith man. :wink:
We are half a million a month short. That's what is needed to pay the staff, keep the club afloat. It was earlier this year 800,000. So someone needs to find half a million a month. Otherwise the players aren't paid. That's the bottom line. Ken has been paying it. But he's not a man with huge financial resources as far as we know. He has investment lined up but that can't be sought until the legal issues with Deano are resolved.

So I ask again, where is the half a million a month coming from? That is what is required after incomings. Remember as Ken outlined today we are losing money on our catering. Not Ken's fault. Ticket sales do not anywhere near cover our costs.

The business may have been run badly but that doesn't take away from the money needed on a monthly basis.

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Post by plymouth wanderer » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:54 pm

If that's the case captain insano. Why haven't we mugged them off and stolen the 2.5 mill? Think old Ken is better placed to make these calls than you are
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Re: Hanging on, January Transfer Window thread 2017

Post by Nicko58 » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:54 pm

jimbo wrote:Gut feeling is I'd be surprised if clough goes - he turned down a similar move last year and with a good next few months here he'll be back at that level anyway. If we don't go up, there'll still be someone in for him in summer so he could move on then.

If he does go, how does parky arrange our front 6?
It seems as though the latest is that he's agreed terms with Forest, but we haven't agreed a price.
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Post by plymouth wanderer » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:56 pm

Isn't Alf and Sammy both out of Contract at the end of the season? If clough money funded those 2 to stay permanently, although gutting! I'd be fairly happy with that
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Post by BWFC_Insane » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:57 pm

plymouth wanderer wrote:Isn't Alf and Sammy both out of Contract at the end of the season? If clough money funded those 2 to stay permanently, although gutting! I'd be fairly happy with that
He'll be funding the wages till the end of this season. Beyond that I suspect we are in for a bumpy ride.

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Re: Hanging on, January Transfer Window thread 2017

Post by DJBlu » Tue Jan 31, 2017 8:05 pm

Proctor gone to Carlisle on loan.

Chris Taylor gone to Oldham on loan.

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Post by Worthy4England » Tue Jan 31, 2017 8:08 pm

All gone quiet on Trotter... :-(

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Re: Hanging on, January Transfer Window thread 2017

Post by Armchair Wanderer » Tue Jan 31, 2017 8:10 pm

DJBlu wrote:Proctor gone to Carlisle on loan.

Chris Taylor gone to Oldham on loan.
Seems like a productive window. Shame about Clough but Forest isn't Bristol City.
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