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Post by Montreal Wanderer » Tue Mar 22, 2016 1:49 pm

TANGODANCER wrote:At least 21 dead in Brussels Airport explosion....
http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/143 ... b_attacks/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Three bomb attacks apparently at airport and metro.
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Post by Montreal Wanderer » Tue Mar 22, 2016 1:52 pm

Bruce Rioja wrote:
TANGODANCER wrote:At least 21 dead in Brussels Airport explosion....
http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/143 ... b_attacks/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Trump and Farridge already blaming "Lax border security". Thanks for your compassion, you pair of pricks.
Since the bombers were probably Belgian nationals I'm not sure how border security would help. I don't know much about Farridge
but on most issues Trump seems a bombastic ignoramus.
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Post by TANGODANCER » Tue Mar 22, 2016 2:12 pm

Where any logic exists in these attacks is beyond reason, even imagination. Terrorists, presumably Muslims from reports, blow up and kill innocent non-combatants in any war, two thosand miles away from source to prove what exactly? They don't even know what nationality or religion their victims might be in a public place like an airport. It defies any form of rationl explanation.
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Post by Bruce Rioja » Tue Mar 22, 2016 2:59 pm

Crikey - was doing my expenses yesterday and said to Girl Friday "I don't remember going into Starbucks at Brussels Airport". That'll be exactly where they detonated the second bomb then?! :shock:
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Post by Lost Leopard Spot » Tue Mar 22, 2016 8:48 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:
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Bruce Rioja wrote:
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Harry Genshaw wrote:Thousands of Palestinians are denied access to drinking water, free movement and full citizenship and some get bent out of shape because a few Israeli academics are refused a platform to speak at a Uni? I'm getting the word..perspective
You really have swallowed the Palestinian sympathy handbook whole haven't you H ?
Are the Palestinians not the ones who are being literally bulldozed out of their homeland? I may have this wrong - it won't be a first! :?
Have you encountered many?

I'll tell you this, as being neither Jewish, Christian, nor Muslim, I've personally never encountered any Jew who has threatened me or my family for being non-religious, or for being a citizen of the UK. I've encountered a fair few right wing Christian nutters who would threaten me if they could, but are so inane as to be not a threat, and even more left wing Christians whose main threat is that they subscribe to the anti-semite anti-Zionist narrative spouted by Hamas and Hezbollah. But they all fade into total insignificance in the face of the Muslims I've encountered, Shiite and Sunni, who want to fxcking kill me and my family because I'm not religious... and that doesn't even fxcking begin to tap into the shit those bastards pour forth on a daily basis against those unfortunate enough to be born Jewish.

Perhaps I'm an outlier, but I've never had anyone, of any race or religion threaten to kill me.

I was in Manchester when "white Christians" had a fairly good go like, but still, I didn't take it personally.
They obviously know you never go to Brussels then. You nice person!
You must have never travelled on planes, or the underground, ever. Nor gone to a cafe or a rock concert, you supercilious dickhead...
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Post by Lost Leopard Spot » Tue Mar 22, 2016 8:51 pm

Bruce Rioja wrote:
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Bruce Rioja wrote:
bobo the clown wrote:
Harry Genshaw wrote:Thousands of Palestinians are denied access to drinking water, free movement and full citizenship and some get bent out of shape because a few Israeli academics are refused a platform to speak at a Uni? I'm getting the word..perspective
You really have swallowed the Palestinian sympathy handbook whole haven't you H ?
Are the Palestinians not the ones who are being literally bulldozed out of their homeland? I may have this wrong - it won't be a first! :?
Have you encountered many?

I'll tell you this, as being neither Jewish, Christian, nor Muslim, I've personally never encountered any Jew who has threatened me or my family for being non-religious, or for being a citizen of the UK. I've encountered a fair few right wing Christian nutters who would threaten me if they could, but are so inane as to be not a threat, and even more left wing Christians whose main threat is that they subscribe to the anti-semite anti-Zionist narrative spouted by Hamas and Hezbollah. But they all fade into total insignificance in the face of the Muslims I've encountered, Shiite and Sunni, who want to fxcking kill me and my family because I'm not religious... and that doesn't even fxcking begin to tap into the shit those bastards pour forth on a daily basis against those unfortunate enough to be born Jewish.
And if you're quite finished you could always have a crack at answering my question - the key word being question! Take your time.
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Post by Little Green Man » Tue Mar 22, 2016 8:58 pm

Bloody Muslamics, coming over here and rescuing our far-right politicians...

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Post by thebish » Tue Mar 22, 2016 9:08 pm

Lost Leopard Spot wrote: They obviously know you never go to Brussels then. You tw*t!
You must have never travelled on planes, or the underground, ever. Nor gone to a cafe or a rock concert, you supercilious dickhead...
nice...

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Post by Lost Leopard Spot » Tue Mar 22, 2016 9:13 pm

thebish wrote:
Lost Leopard Spot wrote: They obviously know you never go to Brussels then. You tw*t!
You must have never travelled on planes, or the underground, ever. Nor gone to a cafe or a rock concert, you supercilious dickhead...
nice...
Nice? :roll:
But then again, you, like Corbyn, are a friend of Hamas, so what can we expect.
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Post by Worthy4England » Tue Mar 22, 2016 9:15 pm

Well no, not really...

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Post by Lost Leopard Spot » Tue Mar 22, 2016 9:20 pm

Worthy4England wrote:Well no, not really...
Here we go again. Those that lambast killers, well they're just cxnts really aren't they. I mean how dare they? Why can't ethnically and religiously challenged wunts kill whoever they want. I mean really...
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Post by Worthy4England » Tue Mar 22, 2016 9:43 pm

Lost Leopard Spot wrote:
Worthy4England wrote:Well no, not really...
Here we go again. Those that lambast killers, well they're just cxnts really aren't they. I mean how dare they? Why can't ethnically and religiously challenged wunts kill whoever they want. I mean really...
Apologies Spotty - I hadn't seen anyone calling you a cxnt, or a tw@t or a dickhead...I musta missed that page.

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Post by CrazyHorse » Tue Mar 22, 2016 9:48 pm

Jeez Spotty. Wind it in will ya mate.

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Post by malcd1 » Tue Mar 22, 2016 11:24 pm

How many incidents do there have to be before people realise Islam is not a religion of peace?

Anyway, do we think these Muslims were also lone wolves? There seems to quite a few of them these day.
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Post by Prufrock » Wed Mar 23, 2016 12:01 am

Islam doesn't have agency.

The more lone wolves there are doesn't make any one any less lone.

I don't understand the point.
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Post by Worthy4England » Wed Mar 23, 2016 12:13 am

Prufrock wrote:Islam doesn't have agency.

The more lone wolves there are doesn't make any one any less lone.

I don't understand the point.
I'm a bit lost too.

If I accept the contention that Islam isn't a peaceful religion, what happens next?

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Post by Beefheart » Wed Mar 23, 2016 8:20 am

Worthy4England wrote:
Prufrock wrote:Islam doesn't have agency.

The more lone wolves there are doesn't make any one any less lone.

I don't understand the point.
I'm a bit lost too.

If I accept the contention that Islam isn't a peaceful religion, what happens next?
If I follow it logically.

A lot of terrorists are Muslim - These terrorists use passages from a really old book as a source of justification for the violence perpetrated.

A lot more Muslims aren't terrorists - These non-terrorist Muslims use passages from a really old book as a source of condemnation for the violence perpetrated.

I really don't think that, for example, the muslim women who regularly serve me at the checkouts in Sainsbury's who say 'Have a nice evening!' are muttering 'death to the infidels' under their breath as I walk away, or the muslim bloke who sold newspapers to my grandad every day for years, or the waiters who give me and my mates free baileys with our bill, or the Imam who lives nearby who had us over for tea and biscuits once, or my Nonna's neighbour who brought a plate of food round for Eid etc etc

Does Islam cause terrorism? Would terrorism stop if religion didn't exist or would they just find some other reason?

If nothing else the fact that if you think that you're agreeing with Donald Trump, Piers Morgan, Katie Hopkins & Richard Dawkins is a pretty good indication that you've gone wrong.

Anyway, I reckon this is worth a watch http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... lamophobia" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Post by thebish » Wed Mar 23, 2016 8:34 am

Beefheart wrote: Anyway, I reckon this is worth a watch http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... lamophobia" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Post by Worthy4England » Wed Mar 23, 2016 10:00 am

Beefheart wrote:
Worthy4England wrote:
Prufrock wrote:Islam doesn't have agency.

The more lone wolves there are doesn't make any one any less lone.

I don't understand the point.
I'm a bit lost too.

If I accept the contention that Islam isn't a peaceful religion, what happens next?
If I follow it logically.

A lot of terrorists are Muslim - These terrorists use passages from a really old book as a source of justification for the violence perpetrated.

A lot more Muslims aren't terrorists - These non-terrorist Muslims use passages from a really old book as a source of condemnation for the violence perpetrated.

I really don't think that, for example, the muslim women who regularly serve me at the checkouts in Sainsbury's who say 'Have a nice evening!' are muttering 'death to the infidels' under their breath as I walk away, or the muslim bloke who sold newspapers to my grandad every day for years, or the waiters who give me and my mates free baileys with our bill, or the Imam who lives nearby who had us over for tea and biscuits once, or my Nonna's neighbour who brought a plate of food round for Eid etc etc

Does Islam cause terrorism? Would terrorism stop if religion didn't exist or would they just find some other reason?

If nothing else the fact that if you think that you're agreeing with Donald Trump, Piers Morgan, Katie Hopkins & Richard Dawkins is a pretty good indication that you've gone wrong.

Anyway, I reckon this is worth a watch http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... lamophobia" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I dunno, when I'm flipping burgers and some bastard turns up in a red shirt with AIG on the front, I am always muttering "death to the red bastards" under my breath...

The point still stands - if I realise that Islam is not a peaceful religion - as suggested by malcd - what happens now? Do I throw a party? Stop talking to some folks? Go to war? What?

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Post by Hoboh » Wed Mar 23, 2016 10:00 am

I don't find much logic in this statement
A senior British counter-terrorism police officer condemned Donald Trump’s claim that British Muslims are not reporting extremists in their communities to police.

Deputy Assistant Commissioner Neil Basu told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme that Trump’s comments are wrong and could spark hate crimes.

He said: “If we demonise one section of the community, that is the worst thing we can do. We are absolutely playing into the terrorists’ hands of making people feel hate.”
He then goes on to add
Basu admitted British police have to do more to encourage Muslims and other Britons to report suspicious activity to police.
Well are they or aren't they? :conf:

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