The Politics Thread

[Lost Leopard Spot]

The only ones suffering are those supporting and ruled by barbaric anti-semite factions such as Hamas.

I'm not going to the argue the sides respective claim to the land with you or even the violence on both sides. Some of that's been going on for centuries but that last point is crap and you know it.

For starters- the children living in villages without running water because it's been turned off by the illegal settlement next door? How's that the fault of Hamas and not the Israeli govt?

It's always the poor suffering children, never any suffering adults!
Anyway, I totally dispute any nasty illegal Jewish people have cut off any babies' tap water.

Ha! Well if I'd said adults you'd have said it was their own fault for voting for Hamas! Much like it was the victims of 7/7 own fault because they voted for Blair?

You're right re the settlements and villages. I made them up. Just don't Google Alfei Menashe or Arab ar Ramadin. It was first exposed there by a bunch of anti semites from an Israeli human rights group. Not only did they turn their water off , they dumped their effluent on them too

Did you know that the immediate cause of the 1967 war (the Third Arab-Israeli war) was the planned Syrian attempt to divert the waters of the river Jordan away from Israel and deprive Israel of water.

If you read extremist claptrap you get forcefed bullshit.*

*by that I mean the following: By flagging 'The Suffering of The Palestinian People' which in essence you mean some Bedouin were doused in effluent and a bunch of ultra orthodox nutjobs may (or may not) have turned a water supply off temporarily, and then conflating that into 'The Suffering', well, everything becomes meaningless.
(PS the third Arab-Israeli war did, in part, start because Syria did really plan on diverting the River Jordan away from Israel.)

[BWFC_Insane]

I think everyone needs to take responsibility. The whole discourse is distasteful. But we have a right wing dominated press that have behaved for decades in the most shameful and provocative way. That is the biggest scandal in this regard. If you can't admit that then you can't have a sensible discussion about this.

So how's about we start with the brick chucking, riot at any event, black clad masked Ninja's from 'militant' that now have 'Momentum'?
When the wheels come off those little shits or we get licenced to shoot the buggers on sight, chuck in the political pricks and soft arses ruining the education system breeding the I, me, self entitlements, then we maybe able to talk rationally.

We could start with you not making nonsense up. Though I suspect that's too much to ask.

I'm very happy to tackle the violent elements on any side of the political spectrum. How about we throw in the BNP its supporters, the EDL and the far right morons who commit acts of violence and incite hatred.

Deal with those on both sides equally. That is fine by me.

Violence, no problem clamp down on it on any side, I kinda draw the line a little on the 'hate speech' thing because too many view Boo! as hate now a days.
If it was rational like the use of the N word etc. No problem but far to many weep at anything now.

If you're fine with free speech then you can't have an issue with anyone in the education system either. Though I suspect it goes rather one way.

[BWFC_Insane]

The only ones suffering are those supporting and ruled by barbaric anti-semite factions such as Hamas.

I'm not going to the argue the sides respective claim to the land with you or even the violence on both sides. Some of that's been going on for centuries but that last point is crap and you know it.

For starters- the children living in villages without running water because it's been turned off by the illegal settlement next door? How's that the fault of Hamas and not the Israeli govt?

It's always the poor suffering children, never any suffering adults!
Anyway, I totally dispute any nasty illegal Jewish people have cut off any babies' tap water.

Ha! Well if I'd said adults you'd have said it was their own fault for voting for Hamas! Much like it was the victims of 7/7 own fault because they voted for Blair?

You're right re the settlements and villages. I made them up. Just don't Google Alfei Menashe or Arab ar Ramadin. It was first exposed there by a bunch of anti semites from an Israeli human rights group. Not only did they turn their water off , they dumped their effluent on them too

Did you know that the immediate cause of the 1967 war (the Third Arab-Israeli war) was the planned Syrian attempt to divert the waters of the river Jordan away from Israel and deprive Israel of water.

If you read extremist claptrap you get forcefed bullshit.*

*by that I mean the following: By flagging 'The Suffering of The Palestinian People' which in essence you mean some Bedouin were doused in effluent and a bunch of ultra orthodox nutjobs may (or may not) have turned a water supply off temporarily, and then conflating that into 'The Suffering', well, everything becomes meaningless.
(PS the third Arab-Israeli war did, in part, start because Syria did really plan on diverting the River Jordan away from Israel.)

For clarity is your position that the Israelis have never done nothing honest guv it's all them nasty Palestinian?

Because all I seem to see is denials and obfuscation.

[Harry Genshaw]

The only ones suffering are those supporting and ruled by barbaric anti-semite factions such as Hamas.

I'm not going to the argue the sides respective claim to the land with you or even the violence on both sides. Some of that's been going on for centuries but that last point is crap and you know it.

For starters- the children living in villages without running water because it's been turned off by the illegal settlement next door? How's that the fault of Hamas and not the Israeli govt?

It's always the poor suffering children, never any suffering adults!
Anyway, I totally dispute any nasty illegal Jewish people have cut off any babies' tap water.

Ha! Well if I'd said adults you'd have said it was their own fault for voting for Hamas! Much like it was the victims of 7/7 own fault because they voted for Blair?

You're right re the settlements and villages. I made them up. Just don't Google Alfei Menashe or Arab ar Ramadin. It was first exposed there by a bunch of anti semites from an Israeli human rights group. Not only did they turn their water off , they dumped their effluent on them too

Did you know that the immediate cause of the 1967 war (the Third Arab-Israeli war) was the planned Syrian attempt to divert the waters of the river Jordan away from Israel and deprive Israel of water.

If you read extremist claptrap you get forcefed bullshit.*

*by that I mean the following: By flagging 'The Suffering of The Palestinian People' which in essence you mean some Bedouin were doused in effluent and a bunch of ultra orthodox nutjobs may (or may not) have turned a water supply off temporarily, and then conflating that into 'The Suffering', well, everything becomes meaningless.
(PS the third Arab-Israeli war did, in part, start because Syria did really plan on diverting the River Jordan away from Israel.)

Well I suppose I could have referred to the random demolition of houses, the destruction of Olive trees, the restrictions on medical aid and supplies but I suspect you'd choose to pretend that's not happening either.

As in apartheid South Africa, there's plenty wrong on both sides and as in South Africa there's one very powerful side against a much weaker one. Mind you, there were plenty of folk in the 70s & 80s that refused to see anything wrong with the SA govts actions.

For a chap who's thrown around the anti semite label on here, you don't think you could be a teeny bit racist/Islamaphobic do you?

[Hoboh]

I think everyone needs to take responsibility. The whole discourse is distasteful. But we have a right wing dominated press that have behaved for decades in the most shameful and provocative way. That is the biggest scandal in this regard. If you can't admit that then you can't have a sensible discussion about this.

So how's about we start with the brick chucking, riot at any event, black clad masked Ninja's from 'militant' that now have 'Momentum'?
When the wheels come off those little shits or we get licenced to shoot the buggers on sight, chuck in the political pricks and soft arses ruining the education system breeding the I, me, self entitlements, then we maybe able to talk rationally.

We could start with you not making nonsense up. Though I suspect that's too much to ask.

I'm very happy to tackle the violent elements on any side of the political spectrum. How about we throw in the BNP its supporters, the EDL and the far right morons who commit acts of violence and incite hatred.

Deal with those on both sides equally. That is fine by me.

Violence, no problem clamp down on it on any side, I kinda draw the line a little on the 'hate speech' thing because too many view Boo! as hate now a days.
If it was rational like the use of the N word etc. No problem but far to many weep at anything now.

If you're fine with free speech then you can't have an issue with anyone in the education system either. Though I suspect it goes rather one way.

Free speech is not the same as brainwashing young impressionable people, more so those that suffer meltdown on reality.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Both sides are a bunch of ...ricks with a lot to answer for. It'll never be resolved in our lifetime due to the aforementioned ...ricks.

[Hoboh]

Capitulation, congratulations Theresa and lurch, your shares in Vaseline just increased 300% and are expected to continue to rise when the flakes get up some time this afternoon.

[BWFC_Insane]

Capitulation, congratulations Theresa and lurch, your shares in Vaseline just increased 300% and are expected to continue to rise when the flakes get up some time this afternoon.

In all seriousness, what choice did they have? We're in a corner here, despite what you might like to pretend. The government haven't got the lee-way to fight anyone, especially Business who already feel they don't have the information they need and need the trade talks to have started yesterday.

The Government have backed themselves and us into a corner. Our biggest bargaining chips of remaining in the single market and customs union in some form, were thrown off the table due to pressure from the right of the Tory party. So what are we actually taking into talks? A begging bowl and a wish it seems to me.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

The only ones suffering are those supporting and ruled by barbaric anti-semite factions such as Hamas.

I'm not going to the argue the sides respective claim to the land with you or even the violence on both sides. Some of that's been going on for centuries but that last point is crap and you know it.

For starters- the children living in villages without running water because it's been turned off by the illegal settlement next door? How's that the fault of Hamas and not the Israeli govt?

It's always the poor suffering children, never any suffering adults!
Anyway, I totally dispute any nasty illegal Jewish people have cut off any babies' tap water.

Ha! Well if I'd said adults you'd have said it was their own fault for voting for Hamas! Much like it was the victims of 7/7 own fault because they voted for Blair?

You're right re the settlements and villages. I made them up. Just don't Google Alfei Menashe or Arab ar Ramadin. It was first exposed there by a bunch of anti semites from an Israeli human rights group. Not only did they turn their water off , they dumped their effluent on them too

Did you know that the immediate cause of the 1967 war (the Third Arab-Israeli war) was the planned Syrian attempt to divert the waters of the river Jordan away from Israel and deprive Israel of water.

If you read extremist claptrap you get forcefed bullshit.*

*by that I mean the following: By flagging 'The Suffering of The Palestinian People' which in essence you mean some Bedouin were doused in effluent and a bunch of ultra orthodox nutjobs may (or may not) have turned a water supply off temporarily, and then conflating that into 'The Suffering', well, everything becomes meaningless.
(PS the third Arab-Israeli war did, in part, start because Syria did really plan on diverting the River Jordan away from Israel.)

For clarity is your position that the Israelis have never done nothing honest guv it's all them nasty Palestinian?

Because all I seem to see is denials and obfuscation.

The Israelis have been fighting for their very existence from before the moment of their foundation.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

The only ones suffering are those supporting and ruled by barbaric anti-semite factions such as Hamas.

I'm not going to the argue the sides respective claim to the land with you or even the violence on both sides. Some of that's been going on for centuries but that last point is crap and you know it.

For starters- the children living in villages without running water because it's been turned off by the illegal settlement next door? How's that the fault of Hamas and not the Israeli govt?

It's always the poor suffering children, never any suffering adults!
Anyway, I totally dispute any nasty illegal Jewish people have cut off any babies' tap water.

Ha! Well if I'd said adults you'd have said it was their own fault for voting for Hamas! Much like it was the victims of 7/7 own fault because they voted for Blair?

You're right re the settlements and villages. I made them up. Just don't Google Alfei Menashe or Arab ar Ramadin. It was first exposed there by a bunch of anti semites from an Israeli human rights group. Not only did they turn their water off , they dumped their effluent on them too

Did you know that the immediate cause of the 1967 war (the Third Arab-Israeli war) was the planned Syrian attempt to divert the waters of the river Jordan away from Israel and deprive Israel of water.

If you read extremist claptrap you get forcefed bullshit.*

*by that I mean the following: By flagging 'The Suffering of The Palestinian People' which in essence you mean some Bedouin were doused in effluent and a bunch of ultra orthodox nutjobs may (or may not) have turned a water supply off temporarily, and then conflating that into 'The Suffering', well, everything becomes meaningless.
(PS the third Arab-Israeli war did, in part, start because Syria did really plan on diverting the River Jordan away from Israel.)

Well I suppose I could have referred to the random demolition of houses, the destruction of Olive trees, the restrictions on medical aid and supplies but I suspect you'd choose to pretend that's not happening either.

As in apartheid South Africa, there's plenty wrong on both sides and as in South Africa there's one very powerful side against a much weaker one. Mind you, there were plenty of folk in the 70s & 80s that refused to see anything wrong with the SA govts actions.

For a chap who's thrown around the anti semite label on here, you don't think you could be a teeny bit racist/Islamaphobic do you?

Jesus H. Christ! How difficult is this?
Yes, I am very much Islamophobic. I'm also Judaeophobic and Christianophobic, though not to the same extent (because they don't threaten me in such an existential manner). I totally deny being racist in any manner whatsoever.
But for you to be so pro-Palestine, denies the balance that you supposedly proclaim. To state there's plenty wrong on both sides but declare The Suffering of the Palestinian People, seems to me to be biased. It's usually the basis of such bias is grounded in profound anti-Semitism.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

^ There are already media reports blaming Israel for a number of injuries of Palestinians. Palestine Red Crescent stating 51 injured including one seriously, and denouncing Israeli authorities.
And why? Because thousands of protesters stirred up by Hamas have been out hurling stones, and others firing rockets, because the US recognises Jerusalem as Israel's capital. Nothing's changed, nobody killed or harmed, but Hamas screams "Death to America" and Fatah unleashes its Day of Rage - and against whom, America, Trump? No.
Blame on both sides, I think not. But no doubt in weeks to come I'll be directed via Google to somebody having lost their life because of an Israeli rubber bullet or such - thus the Suffering of The Palestinians continueth.

[Hoboh]

Capitulation, congratulations Theresa and lurch, your shares in Vaseline just increased 300% and are expected to continue to rise when the flakes get up some time this afternoon.

In all seriousness, what choice did they have? We're in a corner here, despite what you might like to pretend. The government haven't got the lee-way to fight anyone, especially Business who already feel they don't have the information they need and need the trade talks to have started yesterday.

The Government have backed themselves and us into a corner. Our biggest bargaining chips of remaining in the single market and customs union in some form, were thrown off the table due to pressure from the right of the Tory party. So what are we actually taking into talks? A begging bowl and a wish it seems to me.

You might feel like we are in a corner in much the same position of many remainers, it is of your own making, accepting lock, stock and barrel anything the EU dictated as red lines and facts, we must capitulate.
May should have taken a strong line herself and after a while sense on both sides would have preveiled.
This 'deal' on the face of it has sold out many who voted Brexit, free unhindered movement of people, ECJ interference and paying for projects well past our 'leaving date', for what? A promise that we will now have talks on trade, don't hold your breath, we caved in once the EU will expect it to be the norm now.
Don't know why we don't go the whole hog now, stay and join the Euro and welcome commisioners Blair and Clegg to lead us to a brighter future!

[boltonboris]

Just seen a video of Barack Obama stating that he considers Jerusalem the capital of Israel. You know the liberal, lovely bloke before the current crackpot?

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Just seen a video of Barack Obama stating that he considers Jerusalem the capital of Israel. You know the liberal, lovely bloke before the current crackpot?

Fxck me sideways. All we need next is the Pope, the Aga Khan, and Donald Tusk for world peace to prevail.

[BWFC_Insane]

Capitulation, congratulations Theresa and lurch, your shares in Vaseline just increased 300% and are expected to continue to rise when the flakes get up some time this afternoon.

In all seriousness, what choice did they have? We're in a corner here, despite what you might like to pretend. The government haven't got the lee-way to fight anyone, especially Business who already feel they don't have the information they need and need the trade talks to have started yesterday.

The Government have backed themselves and us into a corner. Our biggest bargaining chips of remaining in the single market and customs union in some form, were thrown off the table due to pressure from the right of the Tory party. So what are we actually taking into talks? A begging bowl and a wish it seems to me.

You might feel like we are in a corner in much the same position of many remainers, it is of your own making, accepting lock, stock and barrel anything the EU dictated as red lines and facts, we must capitulate.
May should have taken a strong line herself and after a while sense on both sides would have preveiled.
This 'deal' on the face of it has sold out many who voted Brexit, free unhindered movement of people, ECJ interference and paying for projects well past our 'leaving date', for what? A promise that we will now have talks on trade, don't hold your breath, we caved in once the EU will expect it to be the norm now.
Don't know why we don't go the whole hog now, stay and join the Euro and welcome commisioners Blair and Clegg to lead us to a brighter future!

Well, I dont think she should have taken a hard line but you are correct that we are now bending over and taking it.

However, she isn't politically strong enough to take a hard line. Funnily enough you'd be better off with Jeremy in office, he'd be more likely to deliver the sort of Brexit you want. He would have had far less to lose other than annoy the Pro EU Labour MPs, and he isn't exactly shy of that. Also he'd not have any concerns with pressure from big business. And deep down he's probably less of an EU fan than May.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Capitulation, congratulations Theresa and lurch, your shares in Vaseline just increased 300% and are expected to continue to rise when the flakes get up some time this afternoon.

In all seriousness, what choice did they have? We're in a corner here, despite what you might like to pretend. The government haven't got the lee-way to fight anyone, especially Business who already feel they don't have the information they need and need the trade talks to have started yesterday.

The Government have backed themselves and us into a corner. Our biggest bargaining chips of remaining in the single market and customs union in some form, were thrown off the table due to pressure from the right of the Tory party. So what are we actually taking into talks? A begging bowl and a wish it seems to me.

You might feel like we are in a corner in much the same position of many remainers, it is of your own making, accepting lock, stock and barrel anything the EU dictated as red lines and facts, we must capitulate.
May should have taken a strong line herself and after a while sense on both sides would have preveiled.
This 'deal' on the face of it has sold out many who voted Brexit, free unhindered movement of people, ECJ interference and paying for projects well past our 'leaving date', for what? A promise that we will now have talks on trade, don't hold your breath, we caved in once the EU will expect it to be the norm now.
Don't know why we don't go the whole hog now, stay and join the Euro and welcome commisioners Blair and Clegg to lead us to a brighter future!

Well, I dont think she should have taken a hard line but you are correct that we are now bending over and taking it.

However, she isn't politically strong enough to take a hard line. Funnily enough you'd be better off with Jeremy in office, he'd be more likely to deliver the sort of Brexit you want. He would have had far less to lose other than annoy the Pro EU Labour MPs, and he isn't exactly shy of that. Also he'd not have any concerns with pressure from big business. And deep down he's probably less of an EU fan than May.

...and yet strangely enough the Parliamentary Labour Party aren't overly enthusiastic about Brexit. If anything they are, in the main, hostile to it.

[BWFC_Insane]

Capitulation, congratulations Theresa and lurch, your shares in Vaseline just increased 300% and are expected to continue to rise when the flakes get up some time this afternoon.

In all seriousness, what choice did they have? We're in a corner here, despite what you might like to pretend. The government haven't got the lee-way to fight anyone, especially Business who already feel they don't have the information they need and need the trade talks to have started yesterday.

The Government have backed themselves and us into a corner. Our biggest bargaining chips of remaining in the single market and customs union in some form, were thrown off the table due to pressure from the right of the Tory party. So what are we actually taking into talks? A begging bowl and a wish it seems to me.

You might feel like we are in a corner in much the same position of many remainers, it is of your own making, accepting lock, stock and barrel anything the EU dictated as red lines and facts, we must capitulate.
May should have taken a strong line herself and after a while sense on both sides would have preveiled.
This 'deal' on the face of it has sold out many who voted Brexit, free unhindered movement of people, ECJ interference and paying for projects well past our 'leaving date', for what? A promise that we will now have talks on trade, don't hold your breath, we caved in once the EU will expect it to be the norm now.
Don't know why we don't go the whole hog now, stay and join the Euro and welcome commisioners Blair and Clegg to lead us to a brighter future!

Well, I dont think she should have taken a hard line but you are correct that we are now bending over and taking it.

However, she isn't politically strong enough to take a hard line. Funnily enough you'd be better off with Jeremy in office, he'd be more likely to deliver the sort of Brexit you want. He would have had far less to lose other than annoy the Pro EU Labour MPs, and he isn't exactly shy of that. Also he'd not have any concerns with pressure from big business. And deep down he's probably less of an EU fan than May.

...and yet strangely enough the Parliamentary Labour Party aren't overly enthusiastic about Brexit. If anything they are, in the main, hostile to it.

They're split, just like the Tories. Probably in reverse in that the most vocal are Pro EU, but still.

May cannot be seen to be abandoning the financial sector and big business she's too reliant on them politically. And they do not want a hard Brexit. They generally don't want a Brexit at all.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Capitulation, congratulations Theresa and lurch, your shares in Vaseline just increased 300% and are expected to continue to rise when the flakes get up some time this afternoon.

In all seriousness, what choice did they have? We're in a corner here, despite what you might like to pretend. The government haven't got the lee-way to fight anyone, especially Business who already feel they don't have the information they need and need the trade talks to have started yesterday.

The Government have backed themselves and us into a corner. Our biggest bargaining chips of remaining in the single market and customs union in some form, were thrown off the table due to pressure from the right of the Tory party. So what are we actually taking into talks? A begging bowl and a wish it seems to me.

You might feel like we are in a corner in much the same position of many remainers, it is of your own making, accepting lock, stock and barrel anything the EU dictated as red lines and facts, we must capitulate.
May should have taken a strong line herself and after a while sense on both sides would have preveiled.
This 'deal' on the face of it has sold out many who voted Brexit, free unhindered movement of people, ECJ interference and paying for projects well past our 'leaving date', for what? A promise that we will now have talks on trade, don't hold your breath, we caved in once the EU will expect it to be the norm now.
Don't know why we don't go the whole hog now, stay and join the Euro and welcome commisioners Blair and Clegg to lead us to a brighter future!

Well, I dont think she should have taken a hard line but you are correct that we are now bending over and taking it.

However, she isn't politically strong enough to take a hard line. Funnily enough you'd be better off with Jeremy in office, he'd be more likely to deliver the sort of Brexit you want. He would have had far less to lose other than annoy the Pro EU Labour MPs, and he isn't exactly shy of that. Also he'd not have any concerns with pressure from big business. And deep down he's probably less of an EU fan than May.

...and yet strangely enough the Parliamentary Labour Party aren't overly enthusiastic about Brexit. If anything they are, in the main, hostile to it.

They're split, just like the Tories. Probably in reverse in that the most vocal are Pro EU, but still.

May cannot be seen to be abandoning the financial sector and big business she's too reliant on them politically. And they do not want a hard Brexit. They generally don't want a Brexit at all.

I know. Anybody who is anybody; MPs, unelected members of the House of Lords, foreign politicians, business bosses, government mandarins earning hundreds of thousands of pounds, BBC editors, ex-parliamentarians making a cushy living commentating about politics, billionaires riding high on their E-celeb profiles, etc, etc.; are so adamantly anti-Brexit.
It's almost like democracy is irrelevant, or we were all brainwashed, or we all meant something else entirely, or ( more to the point) we were morons and the intelligensia are restoring the natural order of things...

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Just seen a video of Barack Obama stating that he considers Jerusalem the capital of Israel. You know the liberal, lovely bloke before the current crackpot?

Fxck me sideways. All we need next is the Pope, the Aga Khan, and Donald Tusk for world peace to prevail.

But then again, you'd need the Muslims in Beirut, Cairo, Astana, and every other Muslim majority shithole to stop violently protesting. Not a hope in hell.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Ooooh, let me think, out of all the constituencies in this country which one would I have ranked last to be corrupt. Tower Hamlets? nope...