The Politics Thread

[Hoboh]

I know exactly what I voted for, a non federal independent country, like most others.

The half empties will never accept it.

Yes you are right. Everyone knew exactly what version of Brexit they were voting for and understood the full implications. That's why everyone was very well prepared for the negotiations, no Brexiteer predicted we'd have the full trade agreement done in 12 months, and everyone was full warned about the risks presented to trade and the Irish border.....oh.....

People voted for something they didn't understand because they swallowed some nonsense about sovereignty oh and blue passports. Meanwhile the very basic "withdrawal agreement" the thing we were told would take a matter of months at absolute worst, by many brexiteers and then we'd stitch the EU up with a trade deal within a year is STILL not resolved.

It is very easy to find a selection of Brexit voters who all misunderstood what they voted for. Simply because there was no clarity.

And to claim that there was a single definition by using a definition that is meaningless, as Hoboh has, really highlights this.

We already were a non federal independent country. That is an absolute fact. Clearly he doesn't even understand that.

I know you are not an idiot so stop acting like one, independent? You mean like the calls going out for a EU army? Bang goes your independence there matey. All the calls from the appointees and little Napoleon are for ever closer ties, the EU central bank is talking about setting universal interest rates, VAT and tax rates, all points you chose to overlook and you call me simplistic? Sounds very much like the pathway to federalism to me.

Calls for. Which means those things weren't actually happening. "Pathway to federalism". Again some people might have wanted that.

Anyhow, are you happy with "the deal"?

Oh they were and are don't kid yourself.
If I was Latvian, Estonian, etc, I'd be terrified at the thought of a European army and the US pulling out of NATO, Putins tanks are already on their borders, don't count on the Germans they need Russian gas.

[BWFC_Insane]

deal?

At least appeaser May will end up jobless and even less significant, if that is at all possible.

You should be happy mate your Marxist chums might well get in, I suppose the one saving grace is they won't want to be tied to the EU because it will interfere with their interventionist polices like nationalisation.

Nah. Corbyn and Labour are in a mess like the Tories.

May will manage to force this through parliament given ultimately it is this or no deal so remainers will end up having to support it and the Tory Brexiteers seemingly have little backbone in the main - more worried about their political careers.

Anyhow, this was the inevitable conclusion. We will stay in the customs union forever - if we want a trade deal. It was always going to be the case.

[Hoboh]

deal?

At least appeaser May will end up jobless and even less significant, if that is at all possible.

You should be happy mate your Marxist chums might well get in, I suppose the one saving grace is they won't want to be tied to the EU because it will interfere with their interventionist polices like nationalisation.

Nah. Corbyn and Labour are in a mess like the Tories.

May will manage to force this through parliament given ultimately it is this or no deal so remainers will end up having to support it and the Tory Brexiteers seemingly have little backbone in the main - more worried about their political careers.

Anyhow, this was the inevitable conclusion. We will stay in the customs union forever - if we want a trade deal. It was always going to be the case.

May's 'deal' is like turning up at DFS, negotiating paying the full RRP and insisting on paying the full delivery price when it suits them!

[BWFC_Insane]

deal?

At least appeaser May will end up jobless and even less significant, if that is at all possible.

You should be happy mate your Marxist chums might well get in, I suppose the one saving grace is they won't want to be tied to the EU because it will interfere with their interventionist polices like nationalisation.

Nah. Corbyn and Labour are in a mess like the Tories.

May will manage to force this through parliament given ultimately it is this or no deal so remainers will end up having to support it and the Tory Brexiteers seemingly have little backbone in the main - more worried about their political careers.

Anyhow, this was the inevitable conclusion. We will stay in the customs union forever - if we want a trade deal. It was always going to be the case.

May's 'deal' is like turning up at DFS, negotiating paying the full RRP and insisting on paying the full delivery price when it suits them!

Think everyone agrees it isn't good. But the question is, she's spent two years negotiating it and its the best they've got. And her own governments analysis shows that whilst under this deal we take an economic hit, it isn't nearly as big a hit as if we had no deal. That is what she and most her government believes. So what is to happen?

There isn't a scope or time for another deal. And they firmly believe no deal is incredibly damaging.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

No Deal is much much much better than a bad deal. This isn't even a fxcking deal, just a negotiating position for a potential deal after we've left (and paid out money for the fxcking 'privelege' that they might, just might, talk to us).

If we truly, really, full out go down the No Deal route we will be better off by far. There Will be economic consequences in the near future, but the long term benefits will outweigh belonging to the EU.
The EU is fundamentally flawed. It has centrist non-elected institutions running what is supposedly a democratic federation, with a divide nonsensical financial policy that depends on monetary union with no fiscal union... absolutely non sustainable batshit crazy bollox.
Many of the ills facing the UK are down to similar political interpretation of finance since devolution became de rigour. Inside the EU we will face ruin. Outside we might have a fighting chance.
This so called deal isn't even that! It's just May (a Remainer) rolling over on a Withdrawal Process by surrendering 40 billion pound for vague promises and vassalage in return.
No Deal... the only way to go.
Volkswagen, WalMart, Weibo, etc will ensure their governments get their arse together soon enough after we crash out...

...meanwhile, May has achieved the impossible and pissed off everybody in the UK.

[BWFC_Insane]

No Deal is much much much better than a bad deal. This isn't even a fxcking deal, just a negotiating position for a potential deal after we've left (and paid out money for the fxcking 'privelege' that might, just might, talk to us).

If we truly, really, full out go down the No Deal route we will be better off by far. There Will be economic consequences in the near future, but the long term benefits will outweigh belonging to the EU.
The EU is fundamentally flawed. It has centrist non-elected institutions running what is supposedly a democratic federation, with a divide nonsensical financial policy that depends on monetary union with no fiscal union... absolutely non sustainable batshit crazy bollox.
Many of the ills facing the UK are down to similar political interpretation of finance since devolution became de rigour. Inside the EU we will face ruin. Outside we might have a fighting chance.
This so called deal isn't even that! It's just May (a Remainer) rolling over on a Withdrawal Process by surrendering 40 billion pound for vague promises and vassalage in return.
No Deal... the only way to go.
Volkswagen, WalMart, Weibo, etc will ensure their governments get their arse together soon enough after we crash out...

...meanwhile, May has achieved the impossible and pissed off everybody in the UK.

The fundamental problem is that the IMF believe that no deal results in a 6% drop in GDP. Government analysis suggests it might be more than that, around 8%, if leaks on that are true. The GDP drop in the 2008 credit crunch recession which everyone said was terrible and changed government over was 2%.

So if the government believe those figures, and we assume they do given they are pursuing this course of action they know that such a recession would be disastrous for the country, but more pertinently make their party unelectable for possibly decades. Given how much a 2% drop that was corrected fairly quickly cost Brown.

So it’s easy to say ‘short term financial problems’. That might mean the end of their political careers full stop.

[Enoch]

...and we're all doomed if we don't join the ERM!

[Prufrock]

It's not an unobvious point broadly, without Brexit, but it really has hammered home how little hampered people feel about having strong opinions on things they simply don't know enough about.

And although that might seem targeted at one particular side (and I do think one side is worse for it) it really isn't.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

It's not an unobvious point broadly, without Brexit, but it really has hammered home how little hampered people feel about having strong opinions on things they simply don't know enough about.

And although that might seem targeted at one particular side (and I do think one side is worse for it) it really isn't.

Apart from yourself, obviously. You, you're allowed opinions, including how justified other people's opinions are, and at what level it is that you know they know nothing about... Jesus fxcking Christ!

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Not confirmed yet, but sickeningly, Gove to be Brexit Minister.

Gove!!!... The only tit to produce no milk. He doesn't even have a breast.

Gove.!!! Maybe he has an ambition to wipe out European badgers. Through education.

I know, deep down what hate crime is, but really couldn't some fxcker in the government have a strategy in place where they save me from having to vomit every time Gove's anaemic chinless face appears on tv?

To be brutally honest, whenever Gove's name appears in the news these day's I reflect on the unfortunate lack of theistic intervention in the world, because surely if there really was a God, the choice between Jo Cox and Gove would have taken place at birth.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

May is clueless....... Anybody else would have resigned in her position.
We need:
A second referendum.
A General Election.
A commission to put forward four or five alternatives to the shite representational procedures we have at present... Without these I foresee Europe being like Yemen is presently, very very soon...

[Lost Leopard Spot]

I'm listening to Theresa May speak... she is Fxcking deluded. She's like Hitler was, convinced in her own skin.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

I'm listening to her broadcast
... What is coming out of her gob is absolutely opposite to the 500 pages of shit she wants us to sign up to.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

No Deal is much much much better than a bad deal. This isn't even a fxcking deal, just a negotiating position for a potential deal after we've left (and paid out money for the fxcking 'privelege' that might, just might, talk to us).

If we truly, really, full out go down the No Deal route we will be better off by far. There Will be economic consequences in the near future, but the long term benefits will outweigh belonging to the EU.
The EU is fundamentally flawed. It has centrist non-elected institutions running what is supposedly a democratic federation, with a divide nonsensical financial policy that depends on monetary union with no fiscal union... absolutely non sustainable batshit crazy bollox.
Many of the ills facing the UK are down to similar political interpretation of finance since devolution became de rigour. Inside the EU we will face ruin. Outside we might have a fighting chance.
This so called deal isn't even that! It's just May (a Remainer) rolling over on a Withdrawal Process by surrendering 40 billion pound for vague promises and vassalage in return.
No Deal... the only way to go.
Volkswagen, WalMart, Weibo, etc will ensure their governments get their arse together soon enough after we crash out...

...meanwhile, May has achieved the impossible and pissed off everybody in the UK.

The fundamental problem is that the IMF believe that no deal results in a 6% drop in GDP. Government analysis suggests it might be more than that, around 8%, if leaks on that are true. The GDP drop in the 2008 credit crunch recession which everyone said was terrible and changed government over was 2%.

So if the government believe those figures, and we assume they do given they are pursuing this course of action they know that such a recession would be disastrous for the country, but more pertinently make their party unelectable for possibly decades. Given how much a 2% drop that was corrected fairly quickly cost Brown.

So it’s easy to say ‘short term financial problems’. That might mean the end of their political careers full stop.

Well, firstly that's not a fundamental problem.
And Secondly, for you, a Marxist Labour supporter who gives less than a shit about economic forecasts to frame an argument around economic forecasts, LOL.

[BWFC_Insane]

No Deal is much much much better than a bad deal. This isn't even a fxcking deal, just a negotiating position for a potential deal after we've left (and paid out money for the fxcking 'privelege' that might, just might, talk to us).

If we truly, really, full out go down the No Deal route we will be better off by far. There Will be economic consequences in the near future, but the long term benefits will outweigh belonging to the EU.
The EU is fundamentally flawed. It has centrist non-elected institutions running what is supposedly a democratic federation, with a divide nonsensical financial policy that depends on monetary union with no fiscal union... absolutely non sustainable batshit crazy bollox.
Many of the ills facing the UK are down to similar political interpretation of finance since devolution became de rigour. Inside the EU we will face ruin. Outside we might have a fighting chance.
This so called deal isn't even that! It's just May (a Remainer) rolling over on a Withdrawal Process by surrendering 40 billion pound for vague promises and vassalage in return.
No Deal... the only way to go.
Volkswagen, WalMart, Weibo, etc will ensure their governments get their arse together soon enough after we crash out...

...meanwhile, May has achieved the impossible and pissed off everybody in the UK.

The fundamental problem is that the IMF believe that no deal results in a 6% drop in GDP. Government analysis suggests it might be more than that, around 8%, if leaks on that are true. The GDP drop in the 2008 credit crunch recession which everyone said was terrible and changed government over was 2%.

So if the government believe those figures, and we assume they do given they are pursuing this course of action they know that such a recession would be disastrous for the country, but more pertinently make their party unelectable for possibly decades. Given how much a 2% drop that was corrected fairly quickly cost Brown.

So it’s easy to say ‘short term financial problems’. That might mean the end of their political careers full stop.

Well, firstly that's not a fundamental problem.
And Secondly, for you, a Marxist Labour supporter who gives less than a shit about economic forecasts to frame an argument around economic forecasts, LOL.

1) calling me a Marxist is laughable.

2) if you read carefully I say that is what May and Hammond believe. They believe those forecasts. Like it or not. Agree with it or not. That is what they think.

[Hoboh]

No Deal is much much much better than a bad deal. This isn't even a fxcking deal, just a negotiating position for a potential deal after we've left (and paid out money for the fxcking 'privelege' that might, just might, talk to us).

If we truly, really, full out go down the No Deal route we will be better off by far. There Will be economic consequences in the near future, but the long term benefits will outweigh belonging to the EU.
The EU is fundamentally flawed. It has centrist non-elected institutions running what is supposedly a democratic federation, with a divide nonsensical financial policy that depends on monetary union with no fiscal union... absolutely non sustainable batshit crazy bollox.
Many of the ills facing the UK are down to similar political interpretation of finance since devolution became de rigour. Inside the EU we will face ruin. Outside we might have a fighting chance.
This so called deal isn't even that! It's just May (a Remainer) rolling over on a Withdrawal Process by surrendering 40 billion pound for vague promises and vassalage in return.
No Deal... the only way to go.
Volkswagen, WalMart, Weibo, etc will ensure their governments get their arse together soon enough after we crash out...

...meanwhile, May has achieved the impossible and pissed off everybody in the UK.

The fundamental problem is that the IMF believe that no deal results in a 6% drop in GDP. Government analysis suggests it might be more than that, around 8%, if leaks on that are true. The GDP drop in the 2008 credit crunch recession which everyone said was terrible and changed government over was 2%.

So if the government believe those figures, and we assume they do given they are pursuing this course of action they know that such a recession would be disastrous for the country, but more pertinently make their party unelectable for possibly decades. Given how much a 2% drop that was corrected fairly quickly cost Brown.

So it’s easy to say ‘short term financial problems’. That might mean the end of their political careers full stop.

Well, firstly that's not a fundamental problem.
And Secondly, for you, a Marxist Labour supporter who gives less than a shit about economic forecasts to frame an argument around economic forecasts, LOL.

1) calling me a Marxist is laughable.

2) if you read carefully I say that is what May and Hammond believe. They believe those forecasts. Like it or not. Agree with it or not. That is what they think.

You do support Corbyn and old MacDonald though and their backers who are Marxists.

[Worthy4England]

Someone just remind me how long after we sign the easiest deal in history, do we start to bank our £350m savings? I've lost track a bit.

[BWFC_Insane]

No Deal is much much much better than a bad deal. This isn't even a fxcking deal, just a negotiating position for a potential deal after we've left (and paid out money for the fxcking 'privelege' that might, just might, talk to us).

If we truly, really, full out go down the No Deal route we will be better off by far. There Will be economic consequences in the near future, but the long term benefits will outweigh belonging to the EU.
The EU is fundamentally flawed. It has centrist non-elected institutions running what is supposedly a democratic federation, with a divide nonsensical financial policy that depends on monetary union with no fiscal union... absolutely non sustainable batshit crazy bollox.
Many of the ills facing the UK are down to similar political interpretation of finance since devolution became de rigour. Inside the EU we will face ruin. Outside we might have a fighting chance.
This so called deal isn't even that! It's just May (a Remainer) rolling over on a Withdrawal Process by surrendering 40 billion pound for vague promises and vassalage in return.
No Deal... the only way to go.
Volkswagen, WalMart, Weibo, etc will ensure their governments get their arse together soon enough after we crash out...

...meanwhile, May has achieved the impossible and pissed off everybody in the UK.

The fundamental problem is that the IMF believe that no deal results in a 6% drop in GDP. Government analysis suggests it might be more than that, around 8%, if leaks on that are true. The GDP drop in the 2008 credit crunch recession which everyone said was terrible and changed government over was 2%.

So if the government believe those figures, and we assume they do given they are pursuing this course of action they know that such a recession would be disastrous for the country, but more pertinently make their party unelectable for possibly decades. Given how much a 2% drop that was corrected fairly quickly cost Brown.

So it’s easy to say ‘short term financial problems’. That might mean the end of their political careers full stop.

Well, firstly that's not a fundamental problem.
And Secondly, for you, a Marxist Labour supporter who gives less than a shit about economic forecasts to frame an argument around economic forecasts, LOL.

1) calling me a Marxist is laughable.

2) if you read carefully I say that is what May and Hammond believe. They believe those forecasts. Like it or not. Agree with it or not. That is what they think.

You do support Corbyn and old MacDonald though and their backers who are Marxists.

Support them? No. If you give me the terrible binary choice of voting Tory or Labour I'd vote for Labour. But I'd certainly prefer a very different Labour party.

Or as has been suggested for moderate Tory and Labour MPs to come together and actually run a sensible party.

[Hoboh]

Someone just remind me how long after we sign the easiest deal in history, do we start to bank our £350m savings? I've lost track a bit.

Ah welcome back missed you mate.

[BWFC_Insane]

Someone just remind me how long after we sign the easiest deal in history, do we start to bank our £350m savings? I've lost track a bit.

You could do the May trick of when someone asked her "when do we see the £350M a week being spent on the NHS" she answered "we've committed to spending £390M a week on the NHS".

Of course this is their spending plans and has nothing to do with Brexit or the promise on a bus. But obfuscation is the order of the day.