Today I'm angry about.....

[TANGODANCER]

Spots quoted:
So far, in the society I live in, it is legal for me to express a view that Religious beliefs are Nonsense. I am legally allowed to express "dislike" and "antipathy" to faith.
Blasphemy is not a crime. Free speech is upheld in law.

Insano replied:
I share that bold part belief with you.

I answer:

An argument that can't even take place is between someone who believes in God and someone who doesn't. There isn't even a fence to sit on. I can however, state total disagreement with the above views without being thrown to lions. I have no particular plans to visit zoos or go on safari.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Spots quoted:
So far, in the society I live in, it is legal for me to express a view that Religious beliefs are Nonsense. I am legally allowed to express "dislike" and "antipathy" to faith.
Blasphemy is not a crime. Free speech is upheld in law.

Insano replied:
I share that bold part belief with you.

I answer:

An argument that can't even take place is between someone who believes in God and someone who doesn't. There isn't even a fence to sit on. I can however, state total disagreement with the above views without being thrown to lions. I have no particular plans to visit zoos or go on safari.

Precisely.
No Catholic has ever threatened me with death for not being a Catholic. I cannot say the same for Muslims... Therein lies my abhorrence of Islam and Muslims...

[Enoch]

No Catholic has ever threatened me with death for not being a Catholic.

An accident of birth.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

No Catholic has ever threatened me with death for not being a Catholic.

An accident of birth.

More like an evolution of civilisation.
I have no doubt that many people who were Catholic in say 1620 threatened non-Catholics with death for being non-Catholic in that year. I would have been as fervently catholophobic then as I'm Islamophobic now.
Call me logical, but don't fxcking call me racist.

[Enoch]

You logicist, You.

[BWFC_Insane]

Spots quoted:
So far, in the society I live in, it is legal for me to express a view that Religious beliefs are Nonsense. I am legally allowed to express "dislike" and "antipathy" to faith.
Blasphemy is not a crime. Free speech is upheld in law.

Insano replied:
I share that bold part belief with you.

I answer:

An argument that can't even take place is between someone who believes in God and someone who doesn't. There isn't even a fence to sit on. I can however, state total disagreement with the above views without being thrown to lions. I have no particular plans to visit zoos or go on safari.

Precisely.
No Catholic has ever threatened me with death for not being a Catholic. I cannot say the same for Muslims... Therein lies my abhorrence of Islam and Muslims...

White anglo saxon men murder people every day. Therein lies my abhorrence of white anglo saxon men.

That is literally how ridiculous your argument is.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Spots quoted:
So far, in the society I live in, it is legal for me to express a view that Religious beliefs are Nonsense. I am legally allowed to express "dislike" and "antipathy" to faith.
Blasphemy is not a crime. Free speech is upheld in law.

Insano replied:
I share that bold part belief with you.

I answer:

An argument that can't even take place is between someone who believes in God and someone who doesn't. There isn't even a fence to sit on. I can however, state total disagreement with the above views without being thrown to lions. I have no particular plans to visit zoos or go on safari.

Precisely.
No Catholic has ever threatened me with death for not being a Catholic. I cannot say the same for Muslims... Therein lies my abhorrence of Islam and Muslims...

White anglo saxon men murder people every day. Therein lies my abhorrence of white anglo saxon men.

That is literally how ridiculous your argument is.

Really?
Let me ask you three questions.
1. When was the last time that a white Anglo Saxon man suggested murdering you because you were not a white Anglo Saxon man?
2. How often have you been threatened with murder for not being a part of the culture the proposed murderer belonged to?
3. Have you ever been threatened with being murdered?

[BWFC_Insane]

Spots quoted:
So far, in the society I live in, it is legal for me to express a view that Religious beliefs are Nonsense. I am legally allowed to express "dislike" and "antipathy" to faith.
Blasphemy is not a crime. Free speech is upheld in law.

Insano replied:
I share that bold part belief with you.

I answer:

An argument that can't even take place is between someone who believes in God and someone who doesn't. There isn't even a fence to sit on. I can however, state total disagreement with the above views without being thrown to lions. I have no particular plans to visit zoos or go on safari.

Precisely.
No Catholic has ever threatened me with death for not being a Catholic. I cannot say the same for Muslims... Therein lies my abhorrence of Islam and Muslims...

White anglo saxon men murder people every day. Therein lies my abhorrence of white anglo saxon men.

That is literally how ridiculous your argument is.

Really?
Let me ask you three questions.
1. When was the last time that a white Anglo Saxon man suggested murdering you because you were not a white Anglo Saxon man?
2. How often have you been threatened with murder for not being a part of the culture the proposed murderer belonged to?
3. Have you ever been threatened with being murdered?

I personally have never been threatened by a Muslim.

But you know, I have been threatened by what I assume are white English men. I don’t hold it against them all though. Cos that would be prejudiced.

I was also injured by a Catholic terrorist incident. Very minorly injured I should add. Though it was very scary. I don’t hate Catholic’s though.

[TANGODANCER]

Let me ask you three questions.
1. When was the last time that a white Anglo Saxon man suggested murdering you because you were not a white Anglo Saxon man?
2. How often have you been threatened with murder for not being a part of the culture the proposed murderer belonged to?
3. Have you ever been threatened with being murdered?

I personally have never been threatened by a Muslim.

But you know, I have been threatened by what I assume are white English men. I don’t hold it against them all though. Cos that would be prejudiced.

I was also injured by a Catholic terrorist incident. Very minorly injured I should add. Though it was very scary. I don’t hate Catholic’s though.[/quote]

I'd be interested to hear that story if you're inclined to tell it?

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Spots quoted:
So far, in the society I live in, it is legal for me to express a view that Religious beliefs are Nonsense. I am legally allowed to express "dislike" and "antipathy" to faith.
Blasphemy is not a crime. Free speech is upheld in law.

Insano replied:
I share that bold part belief with you.

I answer:

An argument that can't even take place is between someone who believes in God and someone who doesn't. There isn't even a fence to sit on. I can however, state total disagreement with the above views without being thrown to lions. I have no particular plans to visit zoos or go on safari.

Precisely.
No Catholic has ever threatened me with death for not being a Catholic. I cannot say the same for Muslims... Therein lies my abhorrence of Islam and Muslims...

White anglo saxon men murder people every day. Therein lies my abhorrence of white anglo saxon men.

That is literally how ridiculous your argument is.

Really?
Let me ask you three questions.
1. When was the last time that a white Anglo Saxon man suggested murdering you because you were not a white Anglo Saxon man?
2. How often have you been threatened with murder for not being a part of the culture the proposed murderer belonged to?
3. Have you ever been threatened with being murdered?

I personally have never been threatened by a Muslim.

But you know, I have been threatened by what I assume are white English men. I don’t hold it against them all though. Cos that would be prejudiced.

I was also injured by a Catholic terrorist incident. Very minorly injured I should add. Though it was very scary. I don’t hate Catholic’s though.

Well I was. Not only me, but wife too. We survived. Two French women and a number of other westerners didn't. They were lined up and shot. Because they weren't Muslim.
This was many years before Twin Towers, where I once again note, during the world wide coverage of the events, from live transmissions from the streets of Rawalpindi, Karachi, Dubai, Cairo, Jakarta, Mogadishu, and many other places, Muslims were dancing in the streets celebrating the deaths of kuffars.

I quite honestly say to you that you are talking bullshit when you claim to have been threatened with death by any member of any society because you weren't a member of that society. Utter Bullshit. Unless it was because it was a Muslim doing the threatening. I have been on the wrong end of a Kalashnikov having to plead for my life by explaining why I wasn't a Muslim.

[TANGODANCER]

And the Catholic terrorist incident, Insano ? What happened there?

[Lost Leopard Spot]

And the Catholic terrorist incident, Insano ? What happened there?

He's talking utter bullshit, Tango. Total utter bollocks.

[Harry Genshaw]

Well I had my own angry story today but I'm too interested to hear more.

Which incident were you caught up in Insane? Warrington? Manchester, Canary Wharf?

Spotty - that sounds terrifying. Would you be willing to tell the whole tale?

[Enoch]

I was angry once. I didn't like it.

[Montreal Wanderer]

No Catholic has ever threatened me with death for not being a Catholic.

An accident of birth.

More like an evolution of civilisation.
I have no doubt that many people who were Catholic in say 1620 threatened non-Catholics with death for being non-Catholic in that year. I would have been as fervently catholophobic then as I'm Islamophobic now.
Call me logical, but don't fxcking call me racist.

As a religion Christianity was some 1620 years old in 1620 (if I have the maths right). Islam is not that old even today - perhaps when it is 1620 years old in a couple of centuries it will have matured to a more benevolent phase. I should also note one doesn't have to go back to 1620 or even two centuries to find Protestants and Catholics at each others' throats. Often it doesn't have much to do with any religion - religions are used for political purposes by ruthless and ambitious people.

[Enoch]

Good spot, Monty.

In the 'My black cat's blacker than your black cat' genre. My mate was left for dead on the grounds his ancestors saw some sense in the views of this Germany fella; to this day he can't abide anyone named Seamus.

[TANGODANCER]

I should also note one doesn't have to go back to 1620 or even two centuries to find Protestants and Catholics at each others' throats. Often it doesn't have much to do with any religion - religions are used for political purposes by ruthless and ambitious people.

Thus it ever was Monty, and probably ever will be. There are no innocent parties; to believe that there are is naivety in the extreme.

[Bruce Rioja]

An argument that can't even take place is between someone who believes in God and someone who doesn't. There isn't even a fence to sit on.

I think you'll find me and several million others sat on the very fence of agnosticism, Tango.

[TANGODANCER]

An argument that can't even take place is between someone who believes in God and someone who doesn't. There isn't even a fence to sit on.

I think you'll find me and several million others sat on the very fence of agnosticism, Tango.

I think you might find that was my point Bruce...

[Lost Leopard Spot]

An argument that can't even take place is between someone who believes in God and someone who doesn't. There isn't even a fence to sit on.

I think you'll find me and several million others sat on the very fence of agnosticism, Tango.

I think you might find that was my point Bruce...

I agree that we can't agree Tango. But we can agree that we are not threatening each other with death.

Bruce, the fence of agnosticism is not a point of view - it's a failure to come to a point of view. But, again, we can agree that we are not threatening to kill each other over your lack of a point of view.

Enoch. I appreciate your sense of justice and balance in the world. Unfortunately I am tainted by experience.

BWFCi. We fail to understand each other on a visceral level. Just because all Rednecks are white doesn't make all whites abhorrent, but all Rednecks can remain abhorrent. What discerns a 'redneck' is what they think, what discerns a white is what they are born as. Whites aren't born rednecks! Nobody is born Muslim.

Monty. I don't have time, personally, for Islam to 'grow up'.
I also think it is a flawed comparison. Just because Christianity has 'mellowed' (has it?) doesn't mean Islam will, or can. Islam states it is a direct message from God. Interpretations do occur, but they are severely limited in their scope due the injunction that the Koran was God given. I know it's not; many people who have studied it know it's not; but no Muslim will ever admit it is not: If they did they wouldn't be Muslim.

Harry: I've posted the incident once before on here, I can't find it (Monty might have the link). I'll pm the details.