Summer 2021 Transfer Thread.

[GhostoftheBok]

Didn’t know sarce had played so many games in league one.

Promoted with both Fleetwood and Plymouth, so makes sense. Worth nothing that his best League Two scoring season saw him get nearly 1 in 3. His best return in League One is 1 in 10. Ouch.

[officer_dibble]

Seem to recall reading he played a lot deeper for Fleetwood in league one. I’m intrigued as to how well he does - can’t see anything other than him starting as skipper in the advanced midfield role next season. Deserves it.

[GhostoftheBok]

Seem to recall reading he played a lot deeper for Fleetwood in league one. I’m intrigued as to how well he does - can’t see anything other than him starting as skipper in the advanced midfield role next season. Deserves it.

He does. His drive and desire to win got us through some tough games. The players we bring in need to be much better than what we have, but they will still have to earn their spots.

[Worthy4England]

Doyle is interesting one for me. We were heavily reliant on his goals last season. If he gets half as many next season, it might be a bit sparse.

[GhostoftheBok]

Doyle is interesting one for me. We were heavily reliant on his goals last season. If he gets half as many next season, it might be a bit sparse.

I think Doyle can score goals in League One, provided we improve our final ball to him. He misses plenty of chances, but he takes up so many good positions and then doesn't get the ball. There are a few forwards available I think are better than him, but if we are going to get Eoin scoring we need to get in some players who can get the ball to him. That's also going to be true of any other forward we sign, though, if the aim is to go up.

Doyle's biggest weakness is that he takes too many touches in the box and his first touch can let him down. He'll get less time in League One, so if we don't add some providers he may struggle.

One thing I will say is that Doyle's lack of aerial ability doesn't lend itself to the fact that our options at 10 also can't compete in the air. Whilst we lack those slide rule passes that Doyle would thrive on, we do put in some great crosses that a classic centre forward or a bigger 10 (not necessarily just taller, but more powerful and with more athleticism to get his head on it) would bury. It's currently a case of what we provide not quite matching up with what the striker needs. Even then the lad scored more goals than any Wanderer for about 20 years.

So we can either change up the lads around Doyle, support Doyle with a more physical player or replace Doyle with more of a centre forward sort of player. Pick your League One success poison.

[BWFC_Insane]

Doyle is interesting one for me. We were heavily reliant on his goals last season. If he gets half as many next season, it might be a bit sparse.

It’s why having a striker who is genuine competition and a different type of striker is important. I’d also say adding forward players into the wide areas more definitively capable of goals at this level would help too.

Dapo MAY hit rich goal form but I suspect Issy is single figures at this level. So definitely needs looking at. Another midfield player who can chip in would help too as I fear if Sarce is not playing the centre of midfield looks far too goal light. Even if for example Crawford comes good he’s not a goal scorer really a

Another thing is set pieces. Score from those and it spreads goals round and takes pressure off your striker.

If we can crack scoring a wider variety of goals from a wider group of players we will in my view threaten at the top. Needs some additions though to fix that I think.

[brommers95]

Interesting comment from IE in The Bolton News this morning about wanting some signings in before the start of pre season (5th July I believe).

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https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/1 ... ts-summer/


So if we're lucky we might see a fresh face in the next week or two. I think things will really start to move now that the playoffs have been concluded.

Teams are already announcing signings - Reece Burke, who was mentioned earlier in this thread IIRC has gone to Luton. Perhaps a sign that Championship teams are now looking into league 1 and 2 more than abroad, due to work permit constraints as a result of Brexit.

I think it's going to be tough to get the squad in a condition to be up there next season chasing promotion. Current rhetoric is rightly focused on us being sensible and sustainable with wages. There are plenty of free agents out there, a lot less though who are capable of A. really improving this team and B. willing to come for less money than they were hoping to get.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Interesting comment from IE in The Bolton News this morning about wanting some signings in before the start of pre season (5th July I believe).

So if we're lucky we might see a fresh face in the next week or two. I think things will really start to move now that the playoffs have been concluded.

Teams are already announcing signings - Reece Burke, who was mentioned earlier in this thread IIRC has gone to Luton. Perhaps a sign that Championship teams are now looking into league 1 and 2 more than abroad, due to work permit constraints as a result of Brexit.

Yeah, yet again it's a slightly odd one timing-wise – after a delayed season accelerated to finish on time, it's a curious summer, with the Euros perhaps having a twin effect of delaying some decisions while expediting others.

Meanwhile, we got some contract extensions done nice and early (not all though - still no word on Brockbank and Delaney, which might tell its own two-speed tale. I'm impatiently checking the newsfeeds every day, but it's only just June and not every club has announced its retained list – although even play-off finalists have to tell the EFL by tomorrow, I believe.

Speaking of retained lists, there's a few more dribbling in, but perhaps of special notice is Luton. They've released George Moncur, Kazenga LuaLua, Harry Isted and Brendan Galloway – and the first-named there (son of John, for older readers) has been mentioned by Brommers before.

https://bwfcanalysis.wordpress.com/2021 ... 3-wingers/

[Bruce Rioja]

Interesting comment from IE in The Bolton News this morning about wanting some signings in before the start of pre season

With respect, this line gets trotted out on an annual basis by the incumbent manager.

My money's on us signing more players once the season's got going than before pre season.

[brommers95]

Speaking of retained lists, there's a few more dribbling in, but perhaps of special notice is Luton. They've released George Moncur, Kazenga LuaLua, Harry Isted and Brendan Galloway – and the first-named there (son of John, for older readers) has been mentioned by Brommers before.

https://bwfcanalysis.wordpress.com/2021 ... 3-wingers/

Thanks for that DSB, I'd completely missed Luton's retained list announcement and was still sat here waiting for it

Moncur rumoured to be on the radar of Hull City and you'd imagine we'd not be able to compete with them wage wise.

The Hatters have offered a contract to centre-mid Ryan Tunnicliffe who I also highlighted as a potential target - https://bwfcanalysis.wordpress.com/2021 ... dfielders/

He'll likely re-sign for the Championship club but then again maybe the new deal isn't enough to disparage him from enquiring elsewhere and perhaps he's looking to move back to the North West.

I'm hoping to get part 5 out soon covering CBs but life is getting in the way currently. Shortlisted names currently include:
Lloyd Jones (Northampton)
Eoghan O'Connell (Rochdale)
Udoka Godwin-Malife (Forest Green)
Rhys Bennett - (Carlisle)
Niall Mason (Peterborough)
Akin Odimayo (Swindon)

[brommers95]

Interesting comment from IE in The Bolton News this morning about wanting some signings in before the start of pre season

With respect, this line gets trotted out on an annual basis by the incumbent manager.

My money's on us signing more players once the season's got going than before pre season.

Fair point, but I can see Evatt keen to avoid a repeat of last summer when we were signing first-teamers four games into the new season.

Obviously players will become available later in the summer as they adjust wage demands to a buyers market, but I feel we have a much better recruitment system in place compared to this time last year. Targets will have been identified earlier allowing us to really go after the players at the top of our shortlist and get them signed up sooner.

[GhostoftheBok]

It'll be interesting to see what we do in midfield. We certainly need some more quality in there, but we also technically have 8 players who have played first team games for us in midfield. With limited wages available there's work to be done there. Whoever we do add in there will need to be really good to justify another wage in that area.

[GhostoftheBok]

Fair point, but I can see Evatt keen to avoid a repeat of last summer when we were signing first-teamers four games into the new season.

Obviously players will become available later in the summer as they adjust wage demands to a buyers market, but I feel we have a much better recruitment system in place compared to this time last year. Targets will have been identified earlier allowing us to really go after the players at the top of our shortlist and get them signed up sooner.

Evatt's system undoubtedly requires more intensive coaching to get players used to than more standard systems. I think he's serious when he says he needs some of his new players in in short order. Doesn't mean it will happen, but he will go for it.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Because I trust the owners and the process, I trust that any players who sign "early" rather than "late" will be here for the #project rather than the #money.

That doesn't mean others who sign later will be frustrated moneygrubbers (or desperate gambles); it just means the first fresh faces will be buying into it. And they'll get the bonus of the full #content #download, too.

[GhostoftheBok]

Hard to say, it's it? We'll just have to see who comes in.

We are coming off a League Two budget and transfer embargo, so whilst we are not going to splash the cash there should be room to make fairly decent League One offers to our top targets. If the lads with deals on the table sign them, it's possible we will only NEED 4-5 players - with us then using the loan market to replace any lesser lights we manage to move on. Whilst bonuses and clauses are likely to have seen a slight increase in our wages, it likely won't have been a huge bump given the new ethos.

I'd not be shocked if the first couple of players through the door are higher earners at the club. Hopefully they've also bought into everything, but it may be that their offers elsewhere were about the same.

[BWFC_Insane]

I'd not read too much into the rhetoric from managers now. We know we want players in early, so does everyone else. Doesn't always work out. Evatt isn't going to say 'we're going to outspend other teams to get who we want' doesn't mean when push comes to shove we won't do so. Its clear we won't be biggest spenders but I think much of the rhetoric in summer interviews turns out to be fairly useless.

Frankly so far this summer the club and IE have absolutely done and said everything right. No over confidence, no HMS piss the league, some straightforward aspirations without overstating our position and some sensible transfer talk without again overplaying our hand.

I'm happy to let it play out - I'd like Declan John and Gilks sorted tbh but I'm sure we'll add some good new players and I'm sure Evatt will want some we miss out on. It all feels far less knife-edge importance than it did when failure would equal financial ruin.

[GhostoftheBok]

The interviews now are, obviously, for the fans. To sell tickets. They're also for agents, so they know where to pitch. A lot of agents will want their players here rather than, for example, Shrewsbury Town - but they also can't push for double what we will pay and then back down that far. There's a lot of bullshit involved in football negotiations, where people are bothered about being seen a certain way. An agent who gets his player a good deal at Bolton Wanderers will get more players knocking on his door in future than if his guy goes to Gillingham for another £400 a week. For the agents, it's good business to get players to a bigger club.

Age will likely factor in too. If a player is 28-30 it might be his last chance to get a good contract offer. A player who is younger might be pushed by his agent to come here on a bit less money in the hope that the higher profile will pay off in a year or two.

All guesswork, but it's certainly how it used to work a few years ago.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

NOTTINGHAM FOREST release Michael Dawson, Glenn Murray (retiring), Sammy Ameobi, Yuri Riberio, Samba Sow, Abdoulaye Diallo and Michael Hefele.

[BWFC_Insane]

NOTTINGHAM FOREST release Michael Dawson, Glenn Murray (retiring), Sammy Ameobi, Yuri Riberio, Samba Sow, Abdoulaye Diallo and Michael Hefele.

Probably all too expensive but Hefele would be hell of a league one player IMHO.

[GhostoftheBok]

Hefele has played what, 20 games in 3 years and none for at least 18 months? Add in his injuries and I'd be wary of what kind of player he is now. Undoubtedly talented enough, though. I'll just pretend I'm not staring at the name "Sammy Ameobi"

We are being linked with Andy Cannon again. Another busy, okay at everything midfielder who is a decent league one player but probably wouldn't improve us enough. Worth signing just for the name, obviously. As is Max Power.