January 2022 Transfer Thread

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Re: January 2022 Transfer Thread

Post by nicholaldo » Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:30 pm

GhostoftheBok wrote:
Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:15 pm
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Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:13 pm
I'm really not sure Trafford would add anything more than Dixon (or even Hutchinson for that matter).

He was poor at Stanley, so I'm not really convinced he'll do any better here in a defence that looks very low on confidence.
Very much Stanley's Billy Crellin this season.

A ringing endorsement if ever there was one! :D

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Re: January 2022 Transfer Thread

Post by Spartan2 » Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:31 pm

Jordan Shipley from Coventry being linked to us, never heard of him before just now, but he's been promoted from this level and played a season in the championship, so sounds good to me.

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Re: January 2022 Transfer Thread

Post by brommers95 » Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:32 pm

Spartan2 wrote:
Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:31 pm
Jordan Shipley from Coventry being linked to us, never heard of him before just now, but he's been promoted from this level and played a season in the championship, so sounds good to me.
DSB mentioned him in the previous thread

I think he'd be a very shrewd signing. Played 1370 minutes in the Championship last season.
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Re: January 2022 Transfer Thread

Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:32 pm

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Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:31 pm
Jordan Shipley from Coventry being linked to us, never heard of him before just now, but he's been promoted from this level and played a season in the championship, so sounds good to me.
He's another I've studied in the past. let me dig it out

EDIT From Sun 21 Nov:
Jordan Shipley, a six-foot left-sided midfielder who's just turned 24, played 31 times in Cov's promotion season and 27 last season, but not a minute this – and his contract expires next summer. Asked about the prospects of a January loan, Mark Robins was cagey rather than dismissive. A local lad who's come up two divisions with the club, he won't be begging to leave but is clearly drifting away. 19 goals and 14 assists from 151 games in all comps; can play wide left, central or at 10.

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Re: January 2022 Transfer Thread

Post by GhostoftheBok » Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:35 pm

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Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:31 pm
Jordan Shipley from Coventry being linked to us, never heard of him before just now, but he's been promoted from this level and played a season in the championship, so sounds good to me.
Dynamo of a player. Bit of a shithouse. Interesting link.

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Re: January 2022 Transfer Thread

Post by GhostoftheBok » Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:35 pm

Just as a gauge - If by the end of next week we have signed or resigned Charles, Fossey, Xav, Trafford, Morley, Dempsey and Shipley, how will people feel about the window at that stage? Not for an argument, just to know how individuals will feel about it.

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Re: January 2022 Transfer Thread

Post by Worthy4England » Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:43 pm

GhostoftheBok wrote:
Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:35 pm
Just as a gauge - If by the end of next week we have signed or resigned Charles, Fossey, Xav, Trafford, Morley, Dempsey and Shipley, how will people feel about the window at that stage? Not for an argument, just to know how individuals will feel about it.
If, as promised, it solves us leaking 1.6 goals per game and gets us scoring at the other end - I'll be fine with it.

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Re: January 2022 Transfer Thread

Post by GhostoftheBok » Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:47 pm

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If, as promised, it solves us leaking 1.6 goals per game and gets us scoring at the other end - I'll be fine with it.
1.5 goals leaked per game coming right up...

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Re: January 2022 Transfer Thread

Post by Worthy4England » Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:50 pm

GhostoftheBok wrote:
Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:47 pm
Worthy4England wrote:
Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:43 pm
If, as promised, it solves us leaking 1.6 goals per game and gets us scoring at the other end - I'll be fine with it.
1.5 goals leaked per game coming right up...
Marginal gains are ok when you're near the top seeking an advantage not when the ship is sinking and you need to patch a fcuking hole quickly. So David Brailsford can feck right off.

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Re: January 2022 Transfer Thread

Post by BWFC_Insane » Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:58 pm

GhostoftheBok wrote:
Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:35 pm
Just as a gauge - If by the end of next week we have signed or resigned Charles, Fossey, Xav, Trafford, Morley, Dempsey and Shipley, how will people feel about the window at that stage? Not for an argument, just to know how individuals will feel about it.
That we’ve not addressed the problems and continue to recruit players who don’t fix the issues we’ve had in the squad.

The priorities are clear.

1) A proven and experienced first choice goalkeeper.
2) A centre half who can defend. Organise. Win headers . Compete physically.
3) A midfield player who has presence and an engine and wins us the ball, let’s us press, and crucially puts themselves about the pitch.
4) A striker who can hold the ball up and help the system we are trying to play work.

That is the 4 things that will improve us.

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Re: January 2022 Transfer Thread

Post by GhostoftheBok » Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:59 pm

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Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:50 pm
Marginal gains are ok when you're near the top seeking an advantage not when the ship is sinking and you need to patch a fcuking hole quickly. So David Brailsford can feck right off.
We need dramatic improvement, I agree.

My biggest concern is that we need key players to hit the ground running, but two of the ones we have signed are not fully fit and nor would Dempsey be if we got him.

Entirely possible we are points adrift before they all get up to speed.

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Re: January 2022 Transfer Thread

Post by GhostoftheBok » Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:01 pm

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Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:58 pm
That we’ve not addressed the problems and continue to recruit players who don’t fix the issues we’ve had in the squad.

The priorities are clear.

1) A proven and experienced first choice goalkeeper.
2) A centre half who can defend. Organise. Win headers . Compete physically.
3) A midfield player who has presence and an engine and wins us the ball, let’s us press, and crucially puts themselves about the pitch.
4) A striker who can hold the ball up and help the system we are trying to play work.

That is the 4 things that will improve us.
You don't feel 3 and 4 would be improved by Dempsey and Charles?

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Re: January 2022 Transfer Thread

Post by Bertie Wooster » Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:11 pm

GhostoftheBok wrote:
Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:01 pm
BWFC_Insane wrote:
Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:58 pm
That we’ve not addressed the problems and continue to recruit players who don’t fix the issues we’ve had in the squad.

The priorities are clear.

1) A proven and experienced first choice goalkeeper.
2) A centre half who can defend. Organise. Win headers . Compete physically.
3) A midfield player who has presence and an engine and wins us the ball, let’s us press, and crucially puts themselves about the pitch.
4) A striker who can hold the ball up and help the system we are trying to play work.

That is the 4 things that will improve us.
You don't feel 3 and 4 would be improved by Dempsey and Charles?
Dempsey would currently improve us a lot, and would be the best signing of the window IMO if the club can get this done and would possibly be our new captain - Charles looks decent therefore I think that we still need another striker and an experienced vocal No1 keeper (along with Dempsey)

I doubt that Evatt will sign another CB in this window whilst we have Santos, Johnston, Aimson & Baptiste however he will probably bring in a replacement for Baptiste in the summer.

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Re: January 2022 Transfer Thread

Post by BWFC_Insane » Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:29 pm

GhostoftheBok wrote:
Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:01 pm
BWFC_Insane wrote:
Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:58 pm
That we’ve not addressed the problems and continue to recruit players who don’t fix the issues we’ve had in the squad.

The priorities are clear.

1) A proven and experienced first choice goalkeeper.
2) A centre half who can defend. Organise. Win headers . Compete physically.
3) A midfield player who has presence and an engine and wins us the ball, let’s us press, and crucially puts themselves about the pitch.
4) A striker who can hold the ball up and help the system we are trying to play work.

That is the 4 things that will improve us.
You don't feel 3 and 4 would be improved by Dempsey and Charles?
Maybe but I’d absolutely prefer more out and out obvious types that add that physicality in those areas. I’m not totally convinced Charles plays on his own that well.

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Re: January 2022 Transfer Thread

Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:30 pm

I'm guessing...

Up front: Madine
Midfield: Faye
Defence: Faye

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Re: January 2022 Transfer Thread

Post by Worthy4England » Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:33 pm

Apropos of nowt. Gotta love football forums. Rumour on the Gillingham forum (from a reliable source - doesn't come with a better guarantee than that) was that we pitched £75k for Dempsey and got turned away on Friday...

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Re: January 2022 Transfer Thread

Post by GhostoftheBok » Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:37 pm

Worthy4England wrote:
Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:33 pm
Apropos of nowt. Gotta love football forums. Rumour on the Gillingham forum (from a reliable source - doesn't come with a better guarantee than that) was that we pitched £75k for Dempsey and got turned away on Friday...
Press gossip is we put in just over 100k and got told to come back with better, which we did. No idea if they took the second offer.

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Re: January 2022 Transfer Thread

Post by BWFC_Insane » Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:37 pm

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:30 pm
I'm guessing...

Up front: Madine
Midfield: Faye
Defence: Faye
Up front: Eidur
Midfield: Speedo
Defence: Cahill

I mean no, but I think those types of players.

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Re: January 2022 Transfer Thread

Post by GhostoftheBok » Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:42 pm

Bertie Wooster wrote:
Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:11 pm
Dempsey would currently improve us a lot, and would be the best signing of the window IMO if the club can get this done and would possibly be our new captain - Charles looks decent therefore I think that we still need another striker and an experienced vocal No1 keeper (along with Dempsey)

I doubt that Evatt will sign another CB in this window whilst we have Santos, Johnston, Aimson & Baptiste however he will probably bring in a replacement for Baptiste in the summer.
Pretty much spot on, I think.

Ideally we should have replaced Gilks and Baps with lads who can be relied upon for 7/10 performances every week and to organise things a bit. Those cost money, though, and we went with the budget options.

I have absolutely no issues with the players we did sign as individuals. It's just Johnston is raw, Aimson is quality back up and Dixon is a #2 all day at this level. We needed lads who took our defence up a level, but we're (in)arguably not as good there as we ended last term, when viewed as a unit. We knew this going in, though, and hoped for the best. Criticism of Evatt and Markham for that call is valid.
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Re: January 2022 Transfer Thread

Post by nicholaldo » Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:45 pm

I'd be hopeful we'd made good strides addressing the lack of energy and urgency, and be reasonably confident we'd have more bite if not necessarily physicality. I'd also be concerned we hadn't adequately attempted to resolve any of the deficiences in defence, namely an organising centre-half, full-back competition, or a more commanding, competent goalkeeper.

A stronger midfield should theoretically assist our currently calamitous defence organisation and I'd be keeping my fingers crossed that that's how it plays out.

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