Dirty, dirty Leeds

Dave Sutton's barnet · Post by **Dave Sutton's barnet** » Wed May 30, 2007 2:58 pm

Ken Bates is simply a sickening man. This might just make you feel sorry for Leeds; it certainly makes you weep for their creditors, including the local ambulance service and St John's. Two mysterious offshore creditors agree to annul the debts as long as the club is sold to Bates? Anyone smell fish?
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/2007/ ... nging.html

Montreal Wanderer · Post by **Montreal Wanderer** » Wed May 30, 2007 3:07 pm

On the bright side Ricketts will get paid in full.

Actually I can't believe this sort of thing is allowed to happen. Over here I would expect a government ordered inquiry and forensic audit, followed by fraud charges. Still, our laws may be different.

CrazyHorse · Post by **CrazyHorse** » Wed May 30, 2007 3:40 pm

£2,900

Owed to Boo's Disco of Bramhope in Leeds for the hiring of mobile discos

You wonder what they've got to party about....

communistworkethic · Post by **communistworkethic** » Wed May 30, 2007 3:41 pm

mind this sort of thing points to the trrue incompetence of Risdale....

£631,595

Wages still owed to several former players including Michael Ricketts, Paul Butler, Eirik Bakke, Steve Stone and Jermaine Wright

£216,667

Money still owed to Danny Mills, who last played a competitive match for Leeds in May 2003

Dave Sutton's barnet · Post by **Dave Sutton's barnet** » Wed May 30, 2007 3:41 pm

CrazyHorse wrote:
£2,900

Owed to Boo's Disco of Bramhope in Leeds for the hiring of mobile discos

You wonder what they've got to party about....

Maybe a Junior Whites-type event?

communistworkethic · Post by **communistworkethic** » Wed May 30, 2007 3:42 pm

how many discos do they need?

Leyther_Matt · Post by **Leyther_Matt** » Wed May 30, 2007 3:58 pm

How on earth can Leeds get away with this? Paying so little of the debt owed to the Ambulance Service etc is nothing short of a disgrace, though if one club was ever going to dodge such payments, then LUFC would be it.

Dave Sutton's barnet · Post by **Dave Sutton's barnet** » Wed May 30, 2007 4:05 pm

Leyther_Matt wrote:How on earth can Leeds get away with this? Paying so little of the debt owed to the Ambulance Service etc is nothing short of a disgrace, though if one club was ever going to dodge such payments, then LUFC would be it.

I've mentioned this before but if you want a gut-wrenchingly effective exploration of the terrible ways in which football is run, buy/borrow The Beautiful Game? by David Conn, the author of this Leeds piece. Been a while since a book made me alternate between wanting to punch and wanting to cry. And always, always among the creditors are St John's Ambulance.

Dave Sutton's barnet · Post by **Dave Sutton's barnet** » Wed May 30, 2007 4:06 pm

communistworkethic wrote:how many discos do they need?

I assume the debts have mounted over time, perhaps since the season they dropped from the Prem. Even though I seem to recall Blackwell spending £5m-£10m one season.

Soldier_Of_The_White_Army · Post by **Soldier_Of_The_White_Army** » Wed May 30, 2007 4:12 pm

I'm surprised they didn't try to get an IVA!

I fxcking hate Leeds!!

Leyther_Matt · Post by **Leyther_Matt** » Wed May 30, 2007 4:13 pm

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
Leyther_Matt wrote:How on earth can Leeds get away with this? Paying so little of the debt owed to the Ambulance Service etc is nothing short of a disgrace, though if one club was ever going to dodge such payments, then LUFC would be it.
I've mentioned this before but if you want a gut-wrenchingly effective exploration of the terrible ways in which football is run, buy/borrow The Beautiful Game? by David Conn, the author of this Leeds piece. Been a while since a book made me alternate between wanting to punch and wanting to cry. And always, always among the creditors are St John's Ambulance.

Cheers for that, I'll keep an eye out for it.

warthog · Post by **warthog** » Wed May 30, 2007 4:16 pm

This happens all the time in business, although not on such a grand scale. There are plenty of people who are on their seventh and eighth company directorships having had their previous businesses go bust, which has a knock on effect on other, smaller enterprises.

This isn't the first time Leeds have done this. IIRC they wiped out £50 million of debt previously. With the masses of money around now, it's time for football's authorities to look at changing their rules.

Dave Sutton's barnet · Post by **Dave Sutton's barnet** » Wed May 30, 2007 4:17 pm

Leyther_Matt wrote:
Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
Leyther_Matt wrote:How on earth can Leeds get away with this? Paying so little of the debt owed to the Ambulance Service etc is nothing short of a disgrace, though if one club was ever going to dodge such payments, then LUFC would be it.
I've mentioned this before but if you want a gut-wrenchingly effective exploration of the terrible ways in which football is run, buy/borrow The Beautiful Game? by David Conn, the author of this Leeds piece. Been a while since a book made me alternate between wanting to punch and wanting to cry. And always, always among the creditors are St John's Ambulance.
Cheers for that, I'll keep an eye out for it.

While we're on the subject of books - and Leeds - I also heartily recommend The Damned Utd, David Peace's worryingly intense fictionalised account of Brian Clough's 44 days at Elland Road. It's OK, you can hate Leeds and read it, in fact that would be a positive boon.

bobby5 · Post by **bobby5** » Wed May 30, 2007 5:25 pm

What Leeds have done is totally despicable. Amazing that it is all above board and perfectly legal. The total arrogance shown by Bates is shameful. Gartside has publicly said that everyone who is owed money by Bolton will be paid back.

The rule of a 10 point deduction for going into administration will now apply and be carried over for the following season. It's a pity Leeds escaped this ruling. Scum.

bw@bw · Post by **bw@bw** » Wed May 30, 2007 5:59 pm

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
Leyther_Matt wrote:How on earth can Leeds get away with this? Paying so little of the debt owed to the Ambulance Service etc is nothing short of a disgrace, though if one club was ever going to dodge such payments, then LUFC would be it.
I've mentioned this before but if you want a gut-wrenchingly effective exploration of the terrible ways in which football is run, buy/borrow The Beautiful Game? by David Conn, the author of this Leeds piece. Been a while since a book made me alternate between wanting to punch and wanting to cry. And always, always among the creditors are St John's Ambulance.

Simply the best book on "football business" ever written.

And don't think that Leeds started it.

It starts with Arsenal before the First World War.

Arsenal have never been relegated. They just bribed their way back to the top in 1918.

Compared to that Bates is a novice.

chris · Post by **chris** » Thu May 31, 2007 1:44 am

Montreal Wanderer wrote:On the bright side Ricketts will get paid in full.

Actually I can't believe this sort of thing is allowed to happen. Over here I would expect a government ordered inquiry and forensic audit, followed by fraud charges. Still, our laws may be different.

Slightly vearing off topic, Exeter City's former chairman was jailed today for fraud relating to purchasing the club. Slightly different cirucmstances though.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/6703331.stm

Dave Sutton's barnet · Post by **Dave Sutton's barnet** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 6:05 pm

Kuddly Ken threatens to sue local MP who raised questions about it in the Commons. Charmer.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west ... 748465.stm

Zulus Thousand of em · Post by **Zulus Thousand of em** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 7:59 pm

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:Kuddly Ken threatens to sue local MP who raised questions about it in the Commons. Charmer.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west ... 748465.stm

They obviously haven't got their thick Yorkshire skulls around parliamentary privilege!

Montreal Wanderer · Post by **Montreal Wanderer** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 8:48 pm

Zulus Thousand of em wrote:
Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:Kuddly Ken threatens to sue local MP who raised questions about it in the Commons. Charmer.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west ... 748465.stm
They obviously haven't got their thick Yorkshire skulls around parliamentary privilege!

To be fair the article did say Leeds would sue if the suggestion of fraud was repeated outside Parliament.

ratbert · Post by **ratbert** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 11:00 pm

Some marriages are made in heaven, Ken Bates and Leeds Utd being one of them.

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