Today I'm angry about.....

[BWFC_Insane]

Yes like the bin routines.

I bet you think thats easy as well.

For the money is cost them to come up with the new routes, I'd expect them to do it easily.

I'm not keen on them frittering away my money on conutless reviews and assessments, which basically amount to sod all in the long-term for us. But it'll make it look like they're worth every penny of the salaries they 'steal'.

You sound like a council-sympathiser, must be lonely sometimes.....

I'm not in any way shape or form related to the council, have very little knowledge of them. All I do know is that people are very very critical of things that councils get wrong but they get zero praise for all the services that happen that folk take for granted.

I've no idea why the bin routines needed changing but the process is apparently very very tricky to get right and these things need reviewing. Nowadays everything is more complex since life as a whole is more complicated. The council have to work out the routes and I can bet its a million times harder than anyone on here imagines. Thats not to say they shouldn't get it right. But any new process will have its teething problems. And I suppose the brave binmen and women are all cooperative and none of them are "a bit thick" at all!

[Zulus Thousand of em]

I like the fact the slob now has an eating disorder........

Well, he's already beaten one.............. Anorexia!

He's got the classic anorexia symptom. Every time he looks into a mirror he sees a fat bastard staring back at him.

(and yes, I'm here all week.)

[Bruce Rioja]

I've no idea why the bin routines needed changing but the process is apparently very very tricky to get right and these things need reviewing. Nowadays everything is more complex since life as a whole is more complicated. The council have to work out the routes and I can bet its a million times harder than anyone on here imagines.

Interesting comments, Squire. I have. When I worked for BMBC Environmental Services Dept., the Wheeled Bin system was implemented. As such, we carried out time and motion studies on every route so as to gauge the impact in terms of how each route would be effected in terms of man hours and distance in relation to load capacity/weight.
This was done 24 years ago.

[Zulus Thousand of em]

He's one fat f*cker. How the f*ck do you get that big? He cant move, so how does the food keep getting in his mouth?

Apparently he has six NHS staff in attendance. Just think - one of them probably has to wipe his arse for him. Enjoy lunch.

Do they use a sheet?

I like the fact the slob now has an eating disorder........when did he realise that, 20 stone, 30 stone...50 stone what a load of bollox!

I wonder how they find his areshole? Anyone managed to finish lunch yet, by the way?

[as]

Yes like the bin routines.

I bet you think thats easy as well.

For the money is cost them to come up with the new routes, I'd expect them to do it easily.

I'm not keen on them frittering away my money on conutless reviews and assessments, which basically amount to sod all in the long-term for us. But it'll make it look like they're worth every penny of the salaries they 'steal'.

You sound like a council-sympathiser, must be lonely sometimes.....

[BWFC_Insane]

I've no idea why the bin routines needed changing but the process is apparently very very tricky to get right and these things need reviewing. Nowadays everything is more complex since life as a whole is more complicated. The council have to work out the routes and I can bet its a million times harder than anyone on here imagines.

Interesting comments, Squire. I have. When I worked for BMBC Environmental Services Dept., the Wheeled Bin system was implemented. As such, we carried out time and motion studies on every route so as to gauge the impact in terms of how each route would be effected in terms of man hours and distance in relation to load capacity/weight.
This was done 24 years ago.

Is that a direct factor towards the recent changes? Or have they done a similar such more up to date study do you think?

[Bruce Rioja]

I've no idea why the bin routines needed changing but the process is apparently very very tricky to get right and these things need reviewing. Nowadays everything is more complex since life as a whole is more complicated. The council have to work out the routes and I can bet its a million times harder than anyone on here imagines.

Interesting comments, Squire. I have. When I worked for BMBC Environmental Services Dept., the Wheeled Bin system was implemented. As such, we carried out time and motion studies on every route so as to gauge the impact in terms of how each route would be effected in terms of man hours and distance in relation to load capacity/weight.
This was done 24 years ago.

Is that a direct factor towards the recent changes? Or have they done a similar such more up to date study do you think?

What I'd ask is - what's changed? And what needs to be factored in is the amount of self disposal that now takes place (ie recycling) However, same as ever, the unions can't seem to take this onboard! Like the Postmen going on strike really. An imbecile can understand that if there's less to do then it requires less effort!

[Porrohman]

[superjohnmcginlay]

Shouldn't you be on a picket line or summat?

[jimbo]

5 aside teams who see you top of the league and averaging over 20 goals a game crying off because the default 10-0 defeat handed out to teams who don't turn up is much better for them than the spanking by 20 that we'd have given them.

[Bruno]

We have that in our league, one team are top of the league and stuff everyone, and so they probably only play 25% of their matches.

[Hoboh]

Today I'm angry about another thread!

It went into a who knows better, I'm real your a plastic fan, ad m

For crying out loud we feckin' WON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hobo listened on the radio till the gits went down t' council house, caught a few dodgy streams, nearly punched out Mrs H's expensive kitchen lighting and whoops like a mad dog when Klazzzeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Banged it in.

And folk are squabbling????????????

We've had too much doom n gloom, well done Meggo, don't forget he could have shut up shop instead of bringing in a striker

CELEBRATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[KeeeeeeeBaaaaaaab]

CELEBRATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I can't. I wasn't there.

[Hoboh]

Hoboh well done on pulling together a load of random tenous news stories and trying to make a link between them, that doesn't exist.

Why are public swimming pools "just for kids"?

And is giving kids swimming lessons and improving their fitness not good?

Also I don't see what cuts in adult services have to do with anything here? In the article it is clear that adult services are being cut across the board as a result of the recession. Not just in Bolton. And if there were a surplus of staff there surely its a good thing that the council are trimming?
I'm fairly sure that the 11M the council are putting into the development will not be part of their normal budget. As LK has said it may well be PFI, or it could well be money that can only be spent on sports infrastructure and developments.

Right so its alright to cut 84 jobs to save £1 mill because of recession then spend £11 mill to create what 10-15 full time jobs and 10-15 part time ones Who taught you ecconomics? Gordon Brown?

Also if this "pool" is so much in demand how come the water place ran annual losses of £187,000?

As for "surplus" staff, try asking around matey, there is not enough to do a proper job for the most vunerable and needy now!

As for PFI or anything else you still seem to grasp that the reality of this is, the taxpayers of Bolton will end up with proberbly a bigger tab to foot than the original £11 mill for a hole in the ground filled with water that will be under used and proberbly turned over to the Uni for next to nowt sooner or later.

I really fail to understand why you sheep who tow the club or labour party line fail to grasp NOT all of us believe everything we are fed nor are we going to sleep walk into a big brother state led by Nanny Harman either.

http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/470 ... ed/?ref=mr

Nice to see Bolton Uni don't want to feel left out and are looking at shedding 61 jobs possibly to help fund their contribution to the "Bolton One" Wellbeing Centre, (I like the way the "pool bit is no longer headlining).

So now 145 jobs going to help fund this! Good Christmas for 145 familys?
Very socialist, jobs for bricks and council glory!

[boltonboris]

Jeez, sounds like the only 'safe' ones are sat in the accounts department!

[Hoboh]

Jeez, sounds like the only 'safe' ones are sat in the accounts department!

Ah and don't forget according to phoney Tony and No clue Brown Education was going to make us future ression proof cause we'd all be so clever we could turn our hands to anything.
Bit hollow that must sound now "Education, Education, Education"
Tossers the lot of them!
Good old Socialists ain't they, Blair for European President and Brown proberbly onto the board of a few banks, thats why he still won't legislate to keep them in order, he might blow his future easy money!
Don't mind proper socialists it the plastics ones (like Harman) that get on your t*ts

[BWFC_Insane]

Hoboh well done on pulling together a load of random tenous news stories and trying to make a link between them, that doesn't exist.

Why are public swimming pools "just for kids"?

And is giving kids swimming lessons and improving their fitness not good?

Also I don't see what cuts in adult services have to do with anything here? In the article it is clear that adult services are being cut across the board as a result of the recession. Not just in Bolton. And if there were a surplus of staff there surely its a good thing that the council are trimming?
I'm fairly sure that the 11M the council are putting into the development will not be part of their normal budget. As LK has said it may well be PFI, or it could well be money that can only be spent on sports infrastructure and developments.

Right so its alright to cut 84 jobs to save £1 mill because of recession then spend £11 mill to create what 10-15 full time jobs and 10-15 part time ones Who taught you ecconomics? Gordon Brown?

Also if this "pool" is so much in demand how come the water place ran annual losses of £187,000?

As for "surplus" staff, try asking around matey, there is not enough to do a proper job for the most vunerable and needy now!

As for PFI or anything else you still seem to grasp that the reality of this is, the taxpayers of Bolton will end up with proberbly a bigger tab to foot than the original £11 mill for a hole in the ground filled with water that will be under used and proberbly turned over to the Uni for next to nowt sooner or later.

I really fail to understand why you sheep who tow the club or labour party line fail to grasp NOT all of us believe everything we are fed nor are we going to sleep walk into a big brother state led by Nanny Harman either.

http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/470 ... ed/?ref=mr

Nice to see Bolton Uni don't want to feel left out and are looking at shedding 61 jobs possibly to help fund their contribution to the "Bolton One" Wellbeing Centre, (I like the way the "pool bit is no longer headlining).

So now 145 jobs going to help fund this! Good Christmas for 145 familys?
Very socialist, jobs for bricks and council glory!

Hoboh for christs sake man. We're in a recession there IS going to be a reduction in public spending.

THAT MEANS the university of Bolton will lose money. They may also lose money as demand for courses goes down as it often does during financially choppy times.

Thats why they have to lose jobs.

I know this point seems hard for you to grasp but the money to pay for the new centre IS TOTALLY unrelated to the annual pay budget the University has.

The University WILL NOT be able to say ok lets scrap that development and keep the 11M and use it to keep more staff on, because thats not how public sector budgets work. That money is more than likely made up of grants, ppi etc that can ONLY be used on infrastructure and possibly only used on sport and fitness etc. IF Bolton don't spend it the likelihood is it will go to a different university later down the line or be swallowed up completely.

You seem to be under the wrong impression that the public sector runs in the same way as the private sector and it simply isn't the case.

BUT IF you really want to go after employers getting rid of staff too easily or mistreating their workers I very strongly suggest you start with the PRIVATE sector.

[Hoboh]

Hoboh well done on pulling together a load of random tenous news stories and trying to make a link between them, that doesn't exist.

Why are public swimming pools "just for kids"?

And is giving kids swimming lessons and improving their fitness not good?

Also I don't see what cuts in adult services have to do with anything here? In the article it is clear that adult services are being cut across the board as a result of the recession. Not just in Bolton. And if there were a surplus of staff there surely its a good thing that the council are trimming?
I'm fairly sure that the 11M the council are putting into the development will not be part of their normal budget. As LK has said it may well be PFI, or it could well be money that can only be spent on sports infrastructure and developments.

Right so its alright to cut 84 jobs to save £1 mill because of recession then spend £11 mill to create what 10-15 full time jobs and 10-15 part time ones Who taught you ecconomics? Gordon Brown?

Also if this "pool" is so much in demand how come the water place ran annual losses of £187,000?

As for "surplus" staff, try asking around matey, there is not enough to do a proper job for the most vunerable and needy now!

As for PFI or anything else you still seem to grasp that the reality of this is, the taxpayers of Bolton will end up with proberbly a bigger tab to foot than the original £11 mill for a hole in the ground filled with water that will be under used and proberbly turned over to the Uni for next to nowt sooner or later.

I really fail to understand why you sheep who tow the club or labour party line fail to grasp NOT all of us believe everything we are fed nor are we going to sleep walk into a big brother state led by Nanny Harman either.

http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/470 ... ed/?ref=mr

Nice to see Bolton Uni don't want to feel left out and are looking at shedding 61 jobs possibly to help fund their contribution to the "Bolton One" Wellbeing Centre, (I like the way the "pool bit is no longer headlining).

So now 145 jobs going to help fund this! Good Christmas for 145 familys?
Very socialist, jobs for bricks and council glory!

Hoboh for christs sake man. We're in a recession there IS going to be a reduction in public spending.

THAT MEANS the university of Bolton will lose money. They may also lose money as demand for courses goes down as it often does during financially choppy times.

Thats why they have to lose jobs.

I know this point seems hard for you to grasp but the money to pay for the new centre IS TOTALLY unrelated to the annual pay budget the University has.

The University WILL NOT be able to say ok lets scrap that development and keep the 11M and use it to keep more staff on, because thats not how public sector budgets work. That money is more than likely made up of grants, ppi etc that can ONLY be used on infrastructure and possibly only used on sport and fitness etc. IF Bolton don't spend it the likelihood is it will go to a different university later down the line or be swallowed up completely.

You seem to be under the wrong impression that the public sector runs in the same way as the private sector and it simply isn't the case.

BUT IF you really want to go after employers getting rid of staff too easily or mistreating their workers I very strongly suggest you start with the PRIVATE sector.

I don't pay my council tax to private companies do I? Unlike if i am unhappy with a service a private company delivers I can move my business elsewhere, with the Nazi's at BMBC I have no choice nor can I take advantage of competitive pricing.
Which bit do you fail to grasp that no matter where the money for these projects comes from the Uni, council. NHS will have to find funds to pay for it some where down the line! They may just be putting in place plans to suit their budget like most official departments do 3 years down the line

[BWFC_Insane]

Hoboh the 11M WILL already have been budgeted for and accounted, it will either be money that the University has received through grants OR it will be PFI.

It may also be surplus but IMO thats very very very unlikely.

Universities are in the same boat as everyone else in current times, their funding will be cut.

Universities also operate on a very delicate balance of student numbers to pay and non-pay budgets. If numbers drop even slightly it can seriously effect their budgets. Thats why they are so competitive over attracting students and why they advertise.

As for you not paying "tax" to private companies, well you do, only indirectly. For example all of the services that public bodies contract out now thanks to Thatcher and proceeding govts. such as hospital cleaning (and many of these "companies" perform an inadequate service).

Thats the beauty of private industry hey? Take your tax indirectly, aren't constrained by any of the public sector rules or limitations, can do what they like, do a shoddy job and still at the end of the day, walk away with all your hard earned dosh. Only difference is, nobody has a go at em for it! Dream life eh?

[superjohnmcginlay]

The Public Sector has rules? What like you must take a minumum 10 sickies a year?