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Post by Lofthouse Lower » Thu Sep 23, 2010 11:31 am

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Il Pirate wrote:Interesting note tho about Jardel's coke abuse. I never knew that. Goes someway to explaining why he was sh*te after scoring so many in the years prior to coming to us.
I too never knew of the coke abuse, but I was under the impression that I'd heard at the time that the reason we got him was because he was having some kind of mental health issues. By which I mean I'm sure he'd had some kind of breakdown in Portugal or other and Sam thought he could weave his magic?

I'm sure I've read that, any one else?
I once read something about his problems being brought on by the breakdown of a move to Real Madrid when he was at the height of his powers.

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Post by TANGODANCER » Thu Sep 23, 2010 11:36 am

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thebish wrote:wonderflops...

are these those new sandals that exercise your entire body as you walk in them?
They would be miracleflops!
Apparently, there are some that cause the wearers to do a somersault every twenty paces. They're called flip-flops.
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Post by pete101 » Thu Sep 23, 2010 12:58 pm

I remember seeing jardel (you couldnt miss him) for the 1st time warming up at pompey and during the half time break someone was crossing balls in for him to head into an empty net, or that was the idea anyway! He was awful.

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Post by TKIZ! » Thu Sep 23, 2010 1:00 pm

thebish wrote:wonderflops...

are these those new sandals that exercise your entire body as you walk in them?
They do specific ones as well called belly-flops
Pfffft.

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Post by Gary the Enfield » Thu Sep 23, 2010 1:39 pm

TKIZ! wrote:
thebish wrote:wonderflops...

are these those new sandals that exercise your entire body as you walk in them?
They do specific ones as well called belly-flops
And they're all made by Phillippe, brother of Sunderland keeper, Martin Fulop. :doh:

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Post by Lofthouse Lower » Thu Sep 23, 2010 1:41 pm

That's the plateau. I hope.

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Post by TKIZ! » Thu Sep 23, 2010 4:36 pm

Gary the Enfield wrote:
TKIZ! wrote:
thebish wrote:wonderflops...

are these those new sandals that exercise your entire body as you walk in them?
They do specific ones as well called belly-flops
And they're all made by Phillippe, brother of Sunderland keeper, Martin Fulop. :doh:
:oops: :D
Pfffft.

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Post by H. Pedersen » Thu Sep 23, 2010 8:47 pm

Don't understand why Elmander didn't make the list. £8-11 million and £40,000 a week for a player who has, for the most part, scored a meager number of insignificant goals? There are signs that he could turn it around this season, but at this juncture he should be on the list.

Also Shittu.

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Post by thebish » Thu Sep 23, 2010 9:04 pm

H. Pedersen wrote:Don't understand why Elmander didn't make the list. £8-11 million and £40,000 a week for a player who has, for the most part, scored a meager number of insignificant goals? There are signs that he could turn it around this season, but at this juncture he should be on the list.

Also Shittu.
get a grip!! neither of those even comes close to all-time flop lists...

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Post by H. Pedersen » Thu Sep 23, 2010 10:14 pm

Considering wages and the transfer fee, Shittu cost us between £330,000 and £400,000 per appearance, depending on what his settlement was.

In his 12 appearances, our record reads won 1, drew 3, lost 8.

The one win was a 4-1 over relegated Boro.

I just can't imagine that in terms of finances and results, we've done much worse than that.

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Post by CAPSLOCK » Thu Sep 23, 2010 10:27 pm

H. Pedersen wrote:Considering wages and the transfer fee, Shittu cost us between £330,000 and £400,000 per appearance, depending on what his settlement was.

In his 12 appearances, our record reads won 1, drew 3, lost 8.

The one win was a 4-1 over relegated Boro.

I just can't imagine that in terms of finances and results, we've done much worse than that.
What about Len Cantello?

Oppps, sorry, he never played for us on SKY
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Post by Prufrock » Thu Sep 23, 2010 10:46 pm

In fairness to HP the article talks about the Premiership years. If we were to put such a ridiculous arbitrary cap on, and also use the articles own expensive failure definition, Shittu and Elmander must be up there, mainly because we haven't had that many expensive players. They're certainly both ahead of Blessing Kaku, who only seems to b there coz the author could only name three Bolton players. Does Deano's fan favourite status count him out, despite being shit?

Basically what I'm saying is, it is a wank article which manages to cock up completely quite a good concept.
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Post by CAPSLOCK » Thu Sep 23, 2010 10:53 pm

thebish introduced all time

FWIW, I would put Holdsworth right near the top of Sky-gen players, bearing in mind we were turning over only around 10 million when we signed him
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Post by Prufrock » Thu Sep 23, 2010 10:58 pm

CAPSLOCK wrote:thebish introduced all time

FWIW, I would put Holdsworth right near the top of Sky-gen players, bearing in mind we were turning over only around 10 million when we signed him
Fair enough, but doesn't mean everyone has to start using that yardstick.

Aye Sky gen players I would too, record signing, massive money especially compared to turnover (he must still be in our top 10 record signings, and was all the way up to Diouf right?). As for pre-sky, I must admit I'm too young, though discounting money, which I think misses the point of this kind of thing, which is crushed expectations (buck up Mr Petrov) I've heard the names Gregory, John, and Lee, Sammy?
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Post by CAPSLOCK » Thu Sep 23, 2010 11:03 pm

Without checking up on my creaking memory, Gregory probably only cost us a few bags of balls

Can only remember on game he played

Similarly, Lee wouldn't have been that big a drain

The old timers like me n Bruce n Worthy would always quote Cantello and Clement

We signed them two at the time Spurs signed 2 useless Argies
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Post by Lord Kangana » Thu Sep 23, 2010 11:04 pm

In a time of Sky largesse, and the biggest deal they've ever struck, Owen's empty purse is a sure sign that Shittu and Elmander were right up there as ruinous business. Holdsworth stands alongside, Todd backed to the hilt only to redeliver first division football and near financial oblivion. Cue Sam and his wheeler dealing. We have to hope for a bit of repeat business.
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Post by CAPSLOCK » Thu Sep 23, 2010 11:11 pm

Lord Kangana wrote:Owen's empty purse is a sure sign that Shittu and Elmander were right up there as ruinous business
Aye, cos no other clubs are skint

You infer Sky chucking loads of money at the game sees all clubs splashing money north, south, east and west

Owens empty purse is due to us not yet cashing in our chips (Cahill and Muamba would create a nice little fund) and the ridiculous salaries clubs pay their players

I just hope when he signs folk they're better than Alonso appears to be
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Post by Lord Kangana » Thu Sep 23, 2010 11:14 pm

Just repeating what you said. The increased sky money was what you defended the action with, wages to turnover, transfer fees etc. Where is it gone?
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Post by CAPSLOCK » Thu Sep 23, 2010 11:29 pm

Lord Kangana wrote:Just repeating what you said. The increased sky money was what you defended the action with, wages to turnover, transfer fees etc. Where is it gone?
We bought players

Some, though not all, have appreciated in value

Soon, we'll trade some of em, then re-invest (maybe)

That was the policy introduced my Davies and Gartside - ie bring in younger players with a potential for re-sale

The stick you are using to beat Megson can be used to beat all clubs

Maybe they've all got poor managers or maybe the games fcuked and thats why we've no money?
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Post by H. Pedersen » Fri Sep 24, 2010 1:12 am

Re: Len Cantello, since he played for BWFC before I was born, I'll confess to not being familiar with him. Is it safe to say that he played more than 10 league games in the 3 years we paid him?

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