europe if we beat stoke

tell ben im him · Post by **tell ben im him** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 7:09 pm

we are in europe if we beat stoke in semi regardless of result in final what about that then!!

Lord Kangana · Post by **Lord Kangana** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 7:10 pm

Flip side is that its 5th or higher to get in because of it. So we can't do it via the league, which we had an outside chance of doing before.

sidewaysmove · Post by **sidewaysmove** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 7:41 pm

What if Man City beat us in the final - then finish outside the top 5...?

adamworthy2002 · Post by **adamworthy2002** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 7:45 pm

sidewaysmove wrote:What if Man City beat us in the final - then finish outside the top 5...?

Then the place in europe would go to Citeh.

sidewaysmove · Post by **sidewaysmove** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 7:52 pm

... and what happens if City win the Europa League, finish in the top 5 and win the FA Cup ?

TKIZ! · Post by **TKIZ!** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 7:56 pm

Lets not get ahead of ourselves, I'm sure the Stokies are thinking the same thing?

TKIZ! · Post by **TKIZ!** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 7:57 pm

sidewaysmove wrote:... and what happens if City win the Europa League, finish in the top 5 and win the FA Cup ?

Europa League place goes to the league, only one mind

adamworthy2002 · Post by **adamworthy2002** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:07 pm

sidewaysmove wrote:... and what happens if City win the Europa League, finish in the top 5 and win the FA Cup ?

Then runner up in the fa cup gets it. If city already qualify for a european competition then winning it will make no difference.

RusholmeRuffian · Post by **RusholmeRuffian** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:41 pm

To clear this up...
The only way the runners-up of the FA Cup get a Europa League spot is if the FA Cup winners have qualified for the Champions League via a top-4 spot in the league.

So if City won the FA Cup, but finished 5th, the runners-up would get nowt and the team who finished 6th in the Prem would get Europa.

It's quite funny, we play City last game, so if City beat us in the final and the last Champions League spot was to go down to the last game between them and someone - we might have to lose to get Europa!?!

Seriously, I must stop these thoughts...

Lord Kangana · Post by **Lord Kangana** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:45 pm

If Liverpool finish 6th some bizarre rule will be invoked where they get the European spot.

In fact, lets be honest, if Liverpool finish 20th it'll happen.

So stop counting those chickens cocker, you've forgotten to factor in the scouse love-in at Soho Square.

martin1877coywm · Post by **martin1877coywm** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:48 pm

lol stop being so worried everyone. If the players thought like you nothing good would come of it. Manchester City will finish in top 4 and Manchester United will beat them in the semi final anyways.

Salford Trotter · Post by **Salford Trotter** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 11:28 pm

martin1877coywm wrote:lol stop being so worried everyone. If the players thought like you nothing good would come of it. Manchester City will finish in top 4 and Manchester United will beat them in the semi final anyways.

Martin, are you going to join us at our Cup love-in?

hi there, i'm chris · Post by **hi there, i'm chris** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 1:02 am

RusholmeRuffian wrote:To clear this up...
The only way the runners-up of the FA Cup get a Europa League spot is if the FA Cup winners have qualified for the Champions League via a top-4 spot in the league.

So if City won the FA Cup, but finished 5th, the runners-up would get nowt and the team who finished 6th in the Prem would get Europa.

It's quite funny, we play City last game, so if City beat us in the final and the last Champions League spot was to go down to the last game between them and someone - we might have to lose to get Europa!?!

Seriously, I must stop these thoughts...

That's actually amazing. If that was the case, how on earth can you possibily go into a game knowing that you'll have to lose to get European football?!

This is going to sound silly, and there's probably a very obvious answer, but do the rules actually state that you must go out there with the intention of winning? After all, teams go out to play for a point, so why not go out to tactically lose? I get the problem with match fixing, and the fear of players trying to cost their team matches, but if losing the match somehow benefits the team, is that breaking the rules?

Tombwfc · Post by **Tombwfc** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 2:31 am

RusholmeRuffian wrote:To clear this up...
The only way the runners-up of the FA Cup get a Europa League spot is if the FA Cup winners have qualified for the Champions League via a top-4 spot in the league.

So if City won the FA Cup, but finished 5th, the runners-up would get nowt and the team who finished 6th in the Prem would get Europa.

It's quite funny, we play City last game, so if City beat us in the final and the last Champions League spot was to go down to the last game between them and someone - we might have to lose to get Europa!?!

Seriously, I must stop these thoughts...

Is there a source for all this? Why would it make any difference what competition City qualify for?

hi there, i'm chris · Post by **hi there, i'm chris** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 2:43 am

Because if they didn't qualify for the CL, then they would have to take the Europa League spot, meaning it wouldn't be passed on to anyone else.

BWFC_Insane · Post by **BWFC_Insane** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 8:08 am

hi there, i'm chris wrote:Because if they didn't qualify for the CL, then they would have to take the Europa League spot, meaning it wouldn't be passed on to anyone else.

I think the point Tom was making is if City finish 5th and get the Europa League place via that route and then are in the Final and beat us or Stoke, there is still a Europa League spot going spare.

I have heard as well that in those circumstances the place goes to 6th in the league but only from hearsay not a definitive clarification.

Either way its likely both Citeh and Utd will be top 4 and more than likely Utd will win that game!

Tombwfc · Post by **Tombwfc** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:28 am

hi there, i'm chris wrote:Because if they didn't qualify for the CL, then they would have to take the Europa League spot, meaning it wouldn't be passed on to anyone else.

But if they were to win the Cup and finish 5th, they'd have two Europa League spots. The logic for why it would suddenly go to the League is lost on me.

RusholmeRuffian · Post by **RusholmeRuffian** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:37 am

UEFA wrote:If the winner of the domestic cup qualifies for the UEFA Champions League, the domestic cup runner-up qualifies for the UEFA Europa League at the stage initially reserved for the lowest ranking top domestic league representative...

Source!

BWFC_Insane · Post by **BWFC_Insane** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:45 am

RusholmeRuffian wrote:
UEFA wrote:If the winner of the domestic cup qualifies for the UEFA Champions League, the domestic cup runner-up qualifies for the UEFA Europa League at the stage initially reserved for the lowest ranking top domestic league representative...
Source!

Aye but that doesn't say anything about what happens if City finish 5th and win the FA cup. Who gets the final Europa place then? 6th or the runners up?

Zulus Thousand of em · Post by **Zulus Thousand of em** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:17 am

BWFC_Insane wrote:
RusholmeRuffian wrote:
UEFA wrote:If the winner of the domestic cup qualifies for the UEFA Champions League, the domestic cup runner-up qualifies for the UEFA Europa League at the stage initially reserved for the lowest ranking top domestic league representative...
Source!
Aye but that doesn't say anything about what happens if City finish 5th and win the FA cup. Who gets the final Europa place then? 6th or the runners up?

Liverpool.

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