The Politics Thread

[Bruce Rioja]

The trouble is Hoboh that the NHS whilst possibly not as efficient as it could be has been running pretty well for the past decade. Its provided increasing service, lower waiting lists and better clinical outcomes.

And is now the world's, that's THE WORLD'S third largest employer. "Possibly not as efficient as it could be"?

Source, please?

Pay me, I might tell you!

Such a tease for us all...

Go on, admit it, you fibbed...

OK, you owe me lunch! The two larger are the Indian railroad company and the Chinese army. I nominate the Pack Horse.

Prove it otherwise

[Prufrock]

So how many people does it directly employ?

Anyway, I'm sure the US military is right up there.

No idea, I'm nay speaking for or against it, just saying it is one of those 'facts' we pick up in everyday life, normally form quiz questions that sometimes turn out to be bollocks.

Quick Google search finds a few articles from 2004 that quote it as 'believed to be', nothing since. Still, it employs a lot of people.

[William the White]

OK, you owe me lunch! The two larger are the Indian railroad company and the Chinese army. I nominate the Pack Horse.

Source?

[Lord Kangana]

As I say the key for me is directly or indirectly. If they're using an indirect figure, I'll wager it gets smashed out of the water by plenty others.

[Bruce Rioja]

So how many people does it directly employ?

Anyway, I'm sure the US military is right up there.

No idea, I'm nay speaking for or against it, just saying it is one of those 'facts' we pick up in everyday life, normally form quiz questions that sometimes turn out to be bollocks.

Quick Google search finds a few articles from 2004 that quote it as 'believed to be', nothing since. Still, it employs a lot of people.

So you've nothing to actually add to anything one way or the other then? CRIKEY! WHAT A SHOCK!

[Verbal]

The trouble is Hoboh that the NHS whilst possibly not as efficient as it could be has been running pretty well for the past decade. Its provided increasing service, lower waiting lists and better clinical outcomes.

And is now the world's, that's THE WORLD'S third largest employer. "Possibly not as efficient as it could be"?

Source, please?

Pay me, I might tell you!

Such a tease for us all...

Go on, admit it, you fibbed...

He fibbed, but only slightly. It is now the fourth largest employer as a company but was indeed third until very recently. When I started working at the hospital in 2004 the NHS was third behind indian railways and the PLA.

Top 5 as of last year were:

1) Wal-mart: 2,100,000
2) Indian Railways: 1,632,659
3) CNCP (Chinese National Petroleum Organisation): 1,629,992
4) NHS: 1,626,000
5) China State Grid Corp: 1,533,800

If you include armies in the mix then the PLA is still the biggest employer in the world with 2,255,000 members. To put that into comparison the next biggest army on the planet, the Indian Army, has nearly a million fewer with 1,325,000. The Yanks can barely muster half a million.

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[Prufrock]

That hurts.

I've got a seven year old newspaper that reckons they believed it. Given your response to a demand for proof is a resounding 'I can't' I reckon I've got more than you.

[Verbal]

So how many people does it directly employ?

Anyway, I'm sure the US military is right up there.

No idea, I'm nay speaking for or against it, just saying it is one of those 'facts' we pick up in everyday life, normally form quiz questions that sometimes turn out to be bollocks.

Quick Google search finds a few articles from 2004 that quote it as 'believed to be', nothing since. Still, it employs a lot of people.

So you've nothing to actually add to anything one way or the other then? CRIKEY! WHAT A SHOCK!

What makes a man turn neutral? Lust for gold? Power? Or was he just born with a heart full of neutrality?

[thebish]

The NHS is a large employer and its size and the kind of service it is (being available everywhere 24/7) will always allow people to use the inefficiency charge.

but making that charge - and its big sister the "wasteful bureaucracy" charge isn't really an argument in favour of any of the changes currently on the table...

according to Colin Leys and Stewart Player, 2011. The Plot Against the NHS. Merlin Press, Pontypool. (a report that castigates all recent UK govts for undermining the NHS)...

In the US, administration swallows one third of health spending.

in the UK - largely as a result of John Major's implementation of the internal market - it rose from 3% to 14% of the total spend in the decade up to 2003.

[BWFC_Insane]

The NHS is a large employer and its size and the kind of service it is (being available everywhere 24/7) will always allow people to use the inefficiency charge.

but making that charge - and its big sister the "wasteful bureaucracy" charge isn't really an argument in favour of any of the changes currently on the table...

according to Colin Leys and Stewart Player, 2011. The Plot Against the NHS. Merlin Press, Pontypool. (a report that castigates all recent UK govts for undermining the NHS)...

In the US, administration swallows one third of health spending.

in the UK - largely as a result of John Major's implementation of the internal market - it rose from 3% to 14% of the total spend in the decade up to 2003.

Indeed and bureaucracy will always go up once you increase the level of contracting to external private organisations and once you introduce insurance and charging for services.

[thebish]

those nasty leftie commie police have had a real go at Theresa May..

booooooooooooooooo!!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/may/1 ... ch-silence

[Bruce Rioja]

those nasty leftie commie police have had a real go at Theresa May..

booooooooooooooooo!!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/may/1 ... ch-silence

Nasty, leftie, Commie Police that'll be retiring on overstuffed superannuation at the ripe old age of 53? Them?

[thebish]

those nasty leftie commie police have had a real go at Theresa May..

booooooooooooooooo!!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/may/1 ... ch-silence

Nasty, leftie, Commie Police that'll be retiring on overstuffed superannuation at the ripe old age of 53? Them?

if you say so bruce!

[Bruce Rioja]

those nasty leftie commie police have had a real go at Theresa May..

booooooooooooooooo!!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/may/1 ... ch-silence

Nasty, leftie, Commie Police that'll be retiring on overstuffed superannuation at the ripe old age of 53? Them?

if you say so bruce!

Oh I insist. I know several.

[thebish]

be that as it may..

sitting in complete and utter stoney silence is a cool way to protest!

[Bruce Rioja]

be that as it may..

sitting in complete and utter stoney silence is a cool way to protest!

Aye. Best not draw attention to it, eh?

[Harry Genshaw]

Personally, seeing the 5hite the Police have to deal with on a daily basis, I'm more than happy to contribute to them retiring with a decent, even generous, pension.

[Hoboh]

Personally, seeing the 5hite the Police have to deal with on a daily basis, I'm more than happy to contribute to them retiring with a decent, even generous, pension.

your joking their too bloody soft!!!!

[Harry Genshaw]

Personally, seeing the 5hite the Police have to deal with on a daily basis, I'm more than happy to contribute to them retiring with a decent, even generous, pension.

your joking their too bloody soft!!!!

[Bruce Rioja]

Personally, seeing the 5hite the Police have to deal with on a daily basis, I'm more than happy to contribute to them retiring with a decent, even generous, pension.

Go on then. Let's have it.