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Re: Us Vs The Red Scousers

Post by Armchair Wanderer » Sat Aug 27, 2011 7:57 pm

Trying to find the positives, although I sat through that aswell. It was away at Anfield, did we expect to get anything?

Next home game we'll be better. Maybe with Cahill and those distractions behind us.
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Re: Us Vs The Red Scousers

Post by Lord Kangana » Sat Aug 27, 2011 7:59 pm

Moreover, we're still in profit for all of Coyle's dealings over the majority of 4 transfer windows. Not the £20m in the red that was spent in the previous 4 to get us to the point where we needed to overhaul.

It was fairly obvious that we had to add strength to a previously weak midfield squad. We have.

Its still fairly obvious that we need to add strength to a weak forward line squad. We're still looking,

And we've had terrible luck with injuries in key areas.

All in all, with the tools at his disposal, he's done a great job in the transfer market.
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Re: Us Vs The Red Scousers

Post by BL3 » Sat Aug 27, 2011 8:00 pm

Beefheart wrote:
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Rodney Trotter wrote:Coyle has been here 18 months and hasn't signed 2 decent fullback or a centre half. He's in for a right winger and striker atm according to oracle. Why the feck isn't he trying to improve this abortion of a defence. It's inexplicable.
Perhaps because he hasn't had the money to strengthen every single area of the team. Maybe he thinks that if we strengthen our attacking options we'll get enough points from winnable home games to make away trips to places like Anfield less important.
Harsh, we never got to see what Mears can do, and we got Boyata in yesterday.
'Harsh'? I was defending him!

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Re: Us Vs The Red Scousers

Post by Beefheart » Sat Aug 27, 2011 8:02 pm

BL3 wrote:
Beefheart wrote:
BL3 wrote:
Rodney Trotter wrote:Coyle has been here 18 months and hasn't signed 2 decent fullback or a centre half. He's in for a right winger and striker atm according to oracle. Why the feck isn't he trying to improve this abortion of a defence. It's inexplicable.
Perhaps because he hasn't had the money to strengthen every single area of the team. Maybe he thinks that if we strengthen our attacking options we'll get enough points from winnable home games to make away trips to places like Anfield less important.
Harsh, we never got to see what Mears can do, and we got Boyata in yesterday.
'Harsh'? I was defending him!
Not you, Rodney. I was backing you up, bro.

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Re: Us Vs The Red Scousers

Post by Beefheart » Sat Aug 27, 2011 8:02 pm

BL3 wrote:
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Rodney Trotter wrote:Coyle has been here 18 months and hasn't signed 2 decent fullback or a centre half. He's in for a right winger and striker atm according to oracle. Why the feck isn't he trying to improve this abortion of a defence. It's inexplicable.
Perhaps because he hasn't had the money to strengthen every single area of the team. Maybe he thinks that if we strengthen our attacking options we'll get enough points from winnable home games to make away trips to places like Anfield less important.
Harsh, we never got to see what Mears can do, and we got Boyata in yesterday.
'Harsh'? I was defending him!
Not you, Rodney. I was backing you up, bro.

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Re: Us Vs The Red Scousers

Post by Beefheart » Sat Aug 27, 2011 8:02 pm

BL3 wrote:
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BL3 wrote:
Rodney Trotter wrote:Coyle has been here 18 months and hasn't signed 2 decent fullback or a centre half. He's in for a right winger and striker atm according to oracle. Why the feck isn't he trying to improve this abortion of a defence. It's inexplicable.
Perhaps because he hasn't had the money to strengthen every single area of the team. Maybe he thinks that if we strengthen our attacking options we'll get enough points from winnable home games to make away trips to places like Anfield less important.
Harsh, we never got to see what Mears can do, and we got Boyata in yesterday.
'Harsh'? I was defending him!
Not you, Rodney. I was backing you up, bro.

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Re: Us Vs The Red Scousers

Post by Beefheart » Sat Aug 27, 2011 8:02 pm

BL3 wrote:
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BL3 wrote:
Rodney Trotter wrote:Coyle has been here 18 months and hasn't signed 2 decent fullback or a centre half. He's in for a right winger and striker atm according to oracle. Why the feck isn't he trying to improve this abortion of a defence. It's inexplicable.
Perhaps because he hasn't had the money to strengthen every single area of the team. Maybe he thinks that if we strengthen our attacking options we'll get enough points from winnable home games to make away trips to places like Anfield less important.
Harsh, we never got to see what Mears can do, and we got Boyata in yesterday.
'Harsh'? I was defending him!
Not you, Rodney. I was backing you up, bro.

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Re: Us Vs The Red Scousers

Post by Sponge » Sat Aug 27, 2011 8:02 pm

Lord Kangana wrote:Moreover, we're still in profit for all of Coyle's dealings over the majority of 4 transfer windows. Not the £20m in the red that was spent in the previous 4 to get us to the point where we needed to overhaul.

It was fairly obvious that we had to add strength to a previously weak midfield squad. We have.

Its still fairly obvious that we need to add strength to a weak forward line squad. We're still looking,

And we've had terrible luck with injuries in key areas.

All in all, with the tools at his disposal, he's done a great job in the transfer market.
Well said.

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Re: Us Vs The Red Scousers

Post by officer_dibble » Sat Aug 27, 2011 8:04 pm

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All in all, with the tools at his disposal, he's done a great job in the transfer market.
mmmmmmmm
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Post by hisroyalgingerness » Sat Aug 27, 2011 8:06 pm

We simply can't go away from home, against a team playing 4-5-1 (with an energetic Kuyt popping up all over the place) with that porous midfield, with those strikers who can't keep hold of the ball for more than two touches and expect to get anything.

Days like today are disappointing. We can bemoan the squad all we like, but today tactical naivity has yet again played its part.

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Post by Tals-biggest-fan » Sat Aug 27, 2011 8:08 pm

the difference today was the same the difference that seperated us from City.... the class of player....... and plus the way we set up didn't help, they were always going to have suarez dropping off into the hole but we didn't do anything to defend against it!

move onto next week when we face United.... :/
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Post by boltonboris » Sat Aug 27, 2011 8:09 pm

We may still have lost if we packed the midfield, but at least it wouldn't have been with such a feckin' whimper. It's safe to say, that our midfield is our strongest are of the squad. Yet we play 2 players there.

We pretty much lined up with a 4-2-4 today. Against a 5 man midfield full of energy, fitness and quality. How did Coyle think that Muamba and Reo-Coker could combat that???
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Post by TANGODANCER » Sat Aug 27, 2011 8:09 pm

It was as bad as everybody says. Twas like a comedy festival: Comic Kuts, Keystone Cops, Laurel and Hardy, Charlie Chaplin,they were all there. Pathetic marking, hapeless passing, wild hoofs on the nowhere train and all with the energy of a pensioners day out to Bournmouth. I've seen more exciting Curling matches. We were made to look very fourth division by a team who played football with purpose and commitment. Somebody claimed "a yard too slow"; make that three. How very intelligent of Zat to keep trying high-line defending against players who could give him five yards start in a ten yard race. Kev Davies looking disinterested? Who wouldn't be in a role that was never going to work? Keep banging high balls at him when he's sandwiched between two defenders who know they'll get the edge. What happens when he does manage to get a head on it? Nobody near him. It's a bad system that will probably never work again because every team can predict it. If the ball's going long somebody has to be there and, quite truthfully, how many times was somebody there? We were run ragged and totally out-played allover the park.

Four passes across midfield and the fifth put out for a throw; four passes and back to Jussi. It was laughable. Petrov starting runs from his own eighteen yard line and nobody finding space to take passes. It's not often I feel sick, have a headache and stomach-ache all together during a football match. To make it worse, I watched it with a Scouse supporter.He's a decent bloke and didn't rub it in like I probably would have had it been the other way round; he didn't really need to. No MOTD for me. No contest. Roll on next week. If anybody can find positives today, answers by pm and a video of the last FA Cup semi-final as prize for the best one.

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Re: Us Vs The Red Scousers

Post by Lord Kangana » Sat Aug 27, 2011 8:10 pm

officer_dibble wrote:
Lord Kangana wrote:
All in all, with the tools at his disposal, he's done a great job in the transfer market.
mmmmmmmm
two (fit) defenders signed for cash...neither in the first team

can't judge mears

Alonso is also injured.

But to answer that directly, both our first choice centre halves were the two most expensive of all our centre halves, our current right back cost £3.5m...

Again, with the tools at his disposal.
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Post by CAPSLOCK » Sat Aug 27, 2011 8:11 pm

boltonboris wrote:We may still have lost if we packed the midfield, but at least it wouldn't have been with such a feckin' whimper. It's safe to say, that our midfield is our strongest are of the squad. Yet we play 2 players there.

We pretty much lined up with a 4-2-4 today. Against a 5 man midfield full of energy, fitness and quality. How did Coyle think that Muamba and Reo-Coker could combat that???
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Post by Beefheart » Sat Aug 27, 2011 8:17 pm

Some positives, Holden to come back, we aren't Blackburn, Klasnic looks set to score 38 goals this season.

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Post by TANGODANCER » Sat Aug 27, 2011 8:20 pm

Beefheart wrote:Some positives, Holden to come back, we aren't Blackburn, Klasnic looks set to score 38 goals this season.
If Holden had played today he'd probably be looking for a transfer.
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Post by Beefheart » Sat Aug 27, 2011 8:23 pm

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Beefheart wrote:Some positives, Holden to come back, we aren't Blackburn, Klasnic looks set to score 38 goals this season.
If Holden had played today he'd probably be looking for a transfer.
Perhaps, but I think with Holden fit, there'd be too much strength in midfield to persist with 4-4-2. Reo-Coker, Holden and Mark Davies in the middle could be great.

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Post by TKIZ! » Sat Aug 27, 2011 8:25 pm

We can't go away from home playing a 4-4-2 formation, I know Owen is trying to be expansive but that's the reason we only won two away all last season.

We move onto the next game now against ManUre.

But a more fluid 4-2-3-1 formation away from home has to be tried
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Post by Rodney Trotter » Sat Aug 27, 2011 8:26 pm

Beefheart wrote:
BL3 wrote:
Beefheart wrote:
BL3 wrote:
Rodney Trotter wrote:Coyle has been here 18 months and hasn't signed 2 decent fullback or a centre half. He's in for a right winger and striker atm according to oracle. Why the feck isn't he trying to improve this abortion of a defence. It's inexplicable.
Perhaps because he hasn't had the money to strengthen every single area of the team. Maybe he thinks that if we strengthen our attacking options we'll get enough points from winnable home games to make away trips to places like Anfield less important.
Harsh, we never got to see what Mears can do, and we got Boyata in yesterday.
'Harsh'? I was defending him!
Not you, Rodney. I was backing you up, bro.
Hadn't had the money? He spent £2m on Alonso ffs. One for the future he said, when we all know Paul Robinson isn't good enough. That money should have gone on a full back who was ready to compete for Robinson's place then and now, not in a few years time.

Fair enough, he's been unlucky with Mears.

He's bought Wheater, and not played him. Well he did, and he played well. Soon as Knight is fit, he drops him. Why? Zat Knight is an absolutley terrible defender. Wheater had done nothing wrong when he played.

Coyle is so insistent on playing his favourites (Knight, Robinson, Muamba and Davies) and on 4-4-2 away from home that it is going to cost us a lot points this season.

Don't get me wrong, he has done a brilliant job since he came in. But he is a young manager who is learning and he is obviously going to make mistakes. But he isn't learning from them which is the worrying thing.

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