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Re: Will Ream be a Dream?

Post by Whookam » Sat Jan 07, 2012 12:25 pm

jmjhb wrote:
Whookam wrote:
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Whookam wrote:The average American opinion seems to be that he'd struggle with the physical side of the game in England. I'll reserve judgement till I've seen him play but given that the normally hypetastic Americans aren't blowing his trumpet I feel somewhat skeptical.
He will have been training with Davies for the past few weeks, considering he's been on trial. I'm sure he'll cope.
Kevin Davies? The Kevin Davies that can't get into the team anymore? The Kevin Davies that pretty much everyone looks at and thinks "Yep, he's past it." I'm not sure where you're going with this. The consensus is that Ream struggles with the physical side of the game in MLS so he's not going to suddenly become John Terry-esque when he gets here.
The Kevin Davies that is arguably the most physical player in the Premiership?
Was

He's ineffective now, we know this. Thus judging Ream on how he handles Davies does not show us anything because everyone copes with Davies now.

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Post by 2399 » Sat Jan 07, 2012 12:27 pm

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Re: Will Ream be a Dream?

Post by jaffka » Sat Jan 07, 2012 12:27 pm

Thats it lets just write him off before even seeing him.

Feck me is he being lined up as the new target for the boo's????

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Re: Will Ream be a Dream?

Post by Bruce Rioja » Sat Jan 07, 2012 12:53 pm

Whookam wrote:
jmjhb wrote:
Whookam wrote:The average American opinion seems to be that he'd struggle with the physical side of the game in England. I'll reserve judgement till I've seen him play but given that the normally hypetastic Americans aren't blowing his trumpet I feel somewhat skeptical.
He will have been training with Davies for the past few weeks, considering he's been on trial. I'm sure he'll cope.
Kevin Davies? The Kevin Davies that can't get into the team anymore? The Kevin Davies that pretty much everyone looks at and thinks "Yep, he's past it." I'm not sure where you're going with this. The consensus is that Ream struggles with the physical side of the game in MLS so he's not going to suddenly become John Terry-esque when he gets here.
Oh right - so because Davies is past it/can't get in the side he's lost his physicality has he? Durrrrr!
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Post by BWFC_Insane » Sat Jan 07, 2012 1:01 pm

jaffka wrote:Thats it lets just write him off before even seeing him.

Feck me is he being lined up as the new target for the boo's????

:roll:
Same things were said about Holden by the American press, lightweight etc.....

It's ludicrous to make a judgement till we've seen him play, we haven't even signed him yet.

Coyle needs to get this window right because he bought poorly in the summer!

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Re: Will Ream be a Dream?

Post by Whookam » Sat Jan 07, 2012 1:06 pm

Bruce Rioja wrote:
Whookam wrote:
jmjhb wrote:
Whookam wrote:The average American opinion seems to be that he'd struggle with the physical side of the game in England. I'll reserve judgement till I've seen him play but given that the normally hypetastic Americans aren't blowing his trumpet I feel somewhat skeptical.
He will have been training with Davies for the past few weeks, considering he's been on trial. I'm sure he'll cope.
Kevin Davies? The Kevin Davies that can't get into the team anymore? The Kevin Davies that pretty much everyone looks at and thinks "Yep, he's past it." I'm not sure where you're going with this. The consensus is that Ream struggles with the physical side of the game in MLS so he's not going to suddenly become John Terry-esque when he gets here.
Oh right - so because Davies is past it/can't get in the side he's lost his physicality has he? Durrrrr!
Yes it does :whack: . Physicality doesn't just mean being big and strong it means to be able to use that to your advantage. Davies is unable to do that anymore, as we have seen increasingly over the last year. So if Davies is unable to used his size to his advantage in Premier League games then it stands to reason that you can't judge a trialist on how he copes with Davies.

So durrrr back.

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Re: Will Ream be a Dream?

Post by jaffka » Sat Jan 07, 2012 1:07 pm

Well seeing as you are already writing him off as being sh*te, do you fancy letting us all know what tonights 6 balls are going to be?

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Re: Will Ream be a Dream?

Post by Whookam » Sat Jan 07, 2012 1:07 pm

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jaffka wrote:Thats it lets just write him off before even seeing him.

Feck me is he being lined up as the new target for the boo's????

:roll:
Same things were said about Holden by the American press, lightweight etc.....

It's ludicrous to make a judgement till we've seen him play, we haven't even signed him yet.

Coyle needs to get this window right because he bought poorly in the summer!
The thing about Holden is that he didn't cost several million pounds.

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Post by Whookam » Sat Jan 07, 2012 1:11 pm

jaffka wrote:Well seeing as you are already writing him off as being sh*te, do you fancy letting us all know what tonights 6 balls are going to be?
Reading is fundamental.

I said I reserve judgement until I've seen him but that others had been doubting his ability to handle the physical side of the English game. I've stated that how he deals with Davies in training is no way to judge him because Davies has been ineffective. Pretty much every defender copes with Davies now.

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Re: Will Ream be a Dream?

Post by Bruce Rioja » Sat Jan 07, 2012 1:12 pm

Whookam wrote:
Bruce Rioja wrote:
Whookam wrote:
jmjhb wrote:
Whookam wrote:The average American opinion seems to be that he'd struggle with the physical side of the game in England. I'll reserve judgement till I've seen him play but given that the normally hypetastic Americans aren't blowing his trumpet I feel somewhat skeptical.
He will have been training with Davies for the past few weeks, considering he's been on trial. I'm sure he'll cope.
Kevin Davies? The Kevin Davies that can't get into the team anymore? The Kevin Davies that pretty much everyone looks at and thinks "Yep, he's past it." I'm not sure where you're going with this. The consensus is that Ream struggles with the physical side of the game in MLS so he's not going to suddenly become John Terry-esque when he gets here.
Oh right - so because Davies is past it/can't get in the side he's lost his physicality has he? Durrrrr!
Yes it does :whack: . Physicality doesn't just mean being big and strong it means to be able to use that to your advantage. Davies is unable to do that anymore, as we have seen increasingly over the last year. So if Davies is unable to used his size to his advantage in Premier League games then it stands to reason that you can't judge a trialist on how he copes with Davies.

So durrrr back.
I know exactly what physicality means, but hey, thanks for the refresher ;)

Look, a 'past it' Davies still offers more physicality than he's likely to encounter anywhere else.

Tell you what, you tell me who you think offers a greater physical challenge than Davies.

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Re: Will Ream be a Dream?

Post by jaffka » Sat Jan 07, 2012 1:14 pm

Whookam wrote:
jaffka wrote:Well seeing as you are already writing him off as being sh*te, do you fancy letting us all know what tonights 6 balls are going to be?
Reading is fundamental.

I said I reserve judgement until I've seen him but that others had been doubting his ability to handle the physical side of the English game. I've stated that how he deals with Davies in training is no way to judge him because Davies has been ineffective. Pretty much every defender copes with Davies now.
You are actually coming across as writing him off, also evidenced by what you have just put about believing what you have read.

If he signs for us, lets see how he does in white shirt. I am pretty sure that you will agree that is all that matters.

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Re: Will Ream be a Dream?

Post by BWFC_Insane » Sat Jan 07, 2012 1:15 pm

Whookam wrote:
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jaffka wrote:Thats it lets just write him off before even seeing him.

Feck me is he being lined up as the new target for the boo's????

:roll:
Same things were said about Holden by the American press, lightweight etc.....

It's ludicrous to make a judgement till we've seen him play, we haven't even signed him yet.

Coyle needs to get this window right because he bought poorly in the summer!
The thing about Holden is that he didn't cost several million pounds.
They still would have said the same things about him and he wouldn't have been any worse a player for costing several million.

Best to just wait and see, I don't trust Americans to judge football related things anyhow...

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Re: Will Ream be a Dream?

Post by Whookam » Sat Jan 07, 2012 1:18 pm

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Look, a 'past it' Davies still offers more physicality than he's likely to encounter anywhere else.

Tell you what, you tell me who you think offers a greater physical challenge than Davies.
Yakubu, Grant Holt, Wayne Rooney, Andy Carroll, Drogba.... The list goes on.

So I'll say again. Davies may be physically imposing but he's ineffective with it meaning he's now easy to defend against. Hence if we're using Davies as some kind of standard it's a pretty low one, relatively speaking.

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Re: Will Ream be a Dream?

Post by Whookam » Sat Jan 07, 2012 1:19 pm

jaffka wrote:
Whookam wrote:
jaffka wrote:Well seeing as you are already writing him off as being sh*te, do you fancy letting us all know what tonights 6 balls are going to be?
Reading is fundamental.

I said I reserve judgement until I've seen him but that others had been doubting his ability to handle the physical side of the English game. I've stated that how he deals with Davies in training is no way to judge him because Davies has been ineffective. Pretty much every defender copes with Davies now.
You are actually coming across as writing him off, also evidenced by what you have just put about believing what you have read.

If he signs for us, lets see how he does in white shirt. I am pretty sure that you will agree that is all that matters.
I do, and I don't mean to write him off, I just don't buy the 'Davies Test'.

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Re: Will Ream be a Dream?

Post by Whookam » Sat Jan 07, 2012 1:21 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote: Best to just wait and see, I don't trust Americans to judge football related things anyhow...
Some of the most knowledgeable people I've talked to about football have been American.




















Most of the least knowledgeable people I've talked to about football have been American. :wink:

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Re: Will Ream be a Dream?

Post by jaffka » Sat Jan 07, 2012 1:22 pm

Thats where you have gone wrong you see, in America its Soccer :wink:

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Post by Whookam » Sat Jan 07, 2012 1:23 pm

jaffka wrote:Thats where you have gone wrong you see, in America its Soccer :wink:
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Re: Will Ream be a Dream?

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Re: Will Ream be a Dream?

Post by TANGODANCER » Sat Jan 07, 2012 1:25 pm

Whookam wrote: Kevin Davies? The Kevin Davies that can't get into the team anymore? The Kevin Davies that pretty much everyone looks at and thinks "Yep, he's past it." I'm not sure where you're going with this. The consensus is that Ream struggles with the physical side of the game in MLS so he's not going to suddenly become John Terry-esque when he gets here.
If a lad in his twenties trains with an older much more experienced bloke it doesn't necessarily figure he'll do things at the same pace. Don't let your Davies bias blind you to the fact he's one of the most uninjured, physical blokes in the league and has been for years. Who better to train with?
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Re: Will Ream be a Dream?

Post by Whookam » Sat Jan 07, 2012 1:27 pm

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Whookam wrote: Kevin Davies? The Kevin Davies that can't get into the team anymore? The Kevin Davies that pretty much everyone looks at and thinks "Yep, he's past it." I'm not sure where you're going with this. The consensus is that Ream struggles with the physical side of the game in MLS so he's not going to suddenly become John Terry-esque when he gets here.
If a lad in his twenties trains with an older much more experienced bloke it doesn't necessarily figure he'll do things at the same pace. Don't let your Davies bias blind you to the fact he's one of the most uninjured, physical blokes in the league and has been for years. Who better to train with?
There's training then there's playing. Call me skeptical but when a defender apparently has trouble with the physical side of MLS it's going to take more than two weeks of shadowing Kevin Davies to change that.

Time will tell though. :D

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