Jaffka's gossip thread on the ins and outs at the 'Bok

Worthy4England · Post by **Worthy4England** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:08 pm

thebish wrote:
Worthy4England wrote:
Sam Allardyce.

but wasn't he interested in signing Zat Knight??

Don't recall so - but you never know!

Bruce Rioja · Post by **Bruce Rioja** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:09 pm

plymouth wanderer wrote:
Bruce Rioja wrote:
BL3 wrote:
Bruce Rioja wrote:Is this where we are now? Loaning players off of Leicester and people on here getting giddy at the prospect? 4uck me!
You're aware that we're in the Championship aren't you?
Yes. I'm also aware that that's where we'll be staying too!

Who do you reckon we should sign to get us promoted

I think your missing my overall point, Plymouth, though that'll be my fault for having made it so poorly. Sam Allardyce embodied a spirit whereby the aims of the club were sold to players deemed ordinarily to be 'out of our league', and we reached Europe twice and a cup final. I said at the beginning of last season when I saw the likes of Pratley, Eagles, Mears et al turning up that if we continue to bring in Championship footballers then there's only one place we'll end up playing our football, and without a single hint of I-told-you-so-ism, this has proved to be the case.
The signals being sent out, to me anyway, when I look at who Coyle's now trying to bring in are that we/he has a lack of any ambition whatsoever, and that if that's not the case and he thinks that he has the ability to turn work-a-day dross into a decent footballing outfit then Coyle is one highly deluded plum!

thebish · Post by **thebish** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:19 pm

hmmm...

I can understand the point - and well made it is..

but - the allardyce model for promotion is not the only one..

Coyle has also got a side promoted to the premiership - and to do it, he used what would then and now be described as championship players... he did not draft in fading global superstars...

officer_dibble · Post by **officer_dibble** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:20 pm

thebish wrote:
Worthy4England wrote:
Sam Allardyce.

but wasn't he interested in signing Zat Knight??

Well why didnt he sign for him then?

Zat Knight is only pitching up at our place cos he couldnt find another easy ride for next year.

As for Championship signings at least Mills is try before you buy, though thete will be a fee involved. You sign what you can and we need to develop some stars to progress but need some backbone first and foremost. A mix of experience (including champo experience) and talented youth and we should be up there. Whether we are or not is down to the manager.

thebish · Post by **thebish** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:24 pm

officer_dibble wrote:
thebish wrote:
Worthy4England wrote:
Sam Allardyce.

but wasn't he interested in signing Zat Knight??
Well why didnt he sign for him then?

who knows!!

maybe Zat Knight isn't the lazy money grubbing bag of scum-crap that some think he is??

Wandering Willy · Post by **Wandering Willy** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:33 pm

Aye - Zat Knight is not as bad as some make out.

He seems to getting the same undeserved vitriol that the great PR4 got.

BWFC_Insane · Post by **BWFC_Insane** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:43 pm

I get Bruce's point but I think he is confusing what Allardyce did for us in the championship and the premiership. As a champ side he signed Ricketts from Wallsall, and the likes of Barness, Charlton, Gareth Farelly etc.....

Hardly a string of ambition chasing dream targets more realistic players to help make us strong enough to go back up.

Same with what Coyle is trying to do. Though Sams judgement a lot more sound than Owens!

officer_dibble · Post by **officer_dibble** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 1:06 pm

Nowt to do with money grabbing

if a prem club had offered zat a deal he would of been off, I wouldnt of blamed him.

He had a month between us offering a deal and his response. Were he that keen to stay he eould of signed up earlier. I very much doubt Allardyce or any other prem manager offered him a deal, hence why he is at our place.

Bruno3 · Post by **Bruno3** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 1:40 pm

Mills and Ream - sounds like a romantic pairing ate the heart of our defence

TANGODANCER · Post by **TANGODANCER** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:18 pm

Bruno3 wrote:Mills and Ream - sounds like a romantic pairing ate the heart of our defence

Aye, could be a boon.

Dave Sutton's barnet · Post by **Dave Sutton's barnet** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:17 pm

As noted, the deal for Mills sounds ideally structured for us. And while I'm not a massive fan of Knight, I think he'll have enough about him for this level – if selected ahead of Mills and Ream.

Caution advised with Wheater though - the BN piece says "New Year return" but that doesn't mean he'll be back before the Christmas tree's out, just that he's back next year. Besides, we should have learned from Stuey that returns are by no means guaranteed to be on schedule.

ohjimmyjimmy · Post by **ohjimmyjimmy** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:19 pm

Only 6 weeks to go til season starts proper, be nice to find out soon how Stuey & LCY's progress is.
Although nobody will be match-fit when they all get back together in July, those two will be less so than most...which is assuming Stuey is even up to full training level yet? At least we know LCY is.

TANGODANCER · Post by **TANGODANCER** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:22 pm

Just hope nobody in the team thinks it'll be less than tough down here. Bags of effort needed and an early start to winning ways. Coyle should at least know these ropes.

SmokinFrazier · Post by **SmokinFrazier** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:32 pm

It looks like Sturridge will leave Chelsea. They want quite a lot of money for him though, so if nobody comes for him, what are the odds Chelsea will want to loan him out again?

Maybe I'm dreaming

thebish · Post by **thebish** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:42 pm

SmokinFrazier wrote:It looks like Sturridge will leave Chelsea. They want quite a lot of money for him though, so if nobody comes for him, what are the odds Chelsea will want to loan him out again?

Maybe I'm dreaming

and on powerful mind-altering drugs!!

Sponge · Post by **Sponge** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:10 pm

SmokinFrazier wrote:It looks like Sturridge will leave Chelsea. They want quite a lot of money for him though, so if nobody comes for him, what are the odds Chelsea will want to loan him out again?

Maybe I'm dreaming

What is this Frazier stuff you're smoking and where can I get some?

William the White · Post by **William the White** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:56 pm

Just to come late to the wild and joyous party - I'm chuffed Zat has signed. He'll do a real good job for us. Feel free to bookmark anyone that wants.

Jez · Post by **Jez** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:51 pm

William the White wrote:Just to come late to the wild and joyous party - I'm chuffed Zat has signed. He'll do a real good job for us. Feel free to bookmark anyone that wants.

I'm with you on this one, there was never much between him and wheater in my opinion. An england capped center back can pull his weight at this level and will.

Nicko58 · Post by **Nicko58** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:11 pm

Pleased enough with Zat's decision to re-sign, he's more capable than most centre-back's in this division, at least in terms of talent if not concentration.

officer_dibble · Post by **officer_dibble** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:50 pm

William the White wrote:Just to come late to the wild and joyous party - I'm chuffed Zat has signed. He'll do a real good job for us. Feel free to bookmark anyone that wants.

He has the ability...just needs to 'man up' and take on some responsibility.

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