Time to go

[Worthy4England]

So g'wan, give me a clue how fooked we are.

We have to get promoted this season, or our budget will indeed equal the likes of Burnley.

Under those circumstances, I'm looking for a bit of inspiration.

I need to know who it is thats going to stop that. Because its abundantly clear that from now on (much like Wenger at Arsenal, and look at the shit from know-nowts that gets thrown at him) we are now working to a policy of balancing the books. Thats it. Little, indeed probably no more borrowing-based spending. With a general intention of paying Uncle Eddie back in the meantime. The good times have gone.

So what I think you're suggesting is that this is our last chance saloon? This season, no other? If we get it wrong this season that's IT, done for.

If that's the case, I might want to review giving him until the end of September before I get really pi$$ed.

[BWFC_Insane]

Precisely. Thats the tools he'll have. And with little, if any, extra funds to invest.

So then, who is this saviour who will come in and work for nowt with nowt and guarantee us promotion? From where I see it we're f*cked until people understand we're f*cked. Then we can start to rebuild.

Dean Holdsworth.

You're taking the piss, right?

Yes. Thought he is doing well as a manager apparently.

Indeed he is -but not half as well as Owen Coyle was.

True, though Adkins didn't do as well as Coyle prior to going to Southampton if you're basing it purely on levels they've managed at. Don't mind going to the lower leagues if the right candidate is down there. Like we did for Allardyce....

Was joking about Holdsworth, mind given our track record, who the feck knows....

[Lord Kangana]

Indeed Worthy. What I'm pointing out is that if we do get someone else in and expect immediate results, it may just kick us in the nuts. Perhaps a young manager with the remit of 3 years to help restructure the club, cut his teeth and, ultimately, get us promoted would be the only viable solution. That or gamble on the usual suspects. Which may reap short term dividends, and maybe thats all that a club like we can hope for. But it would still leave us in the dangerous yo-yo-then-overspend spiral. that can't last indefinitely.

[BWFC_Insane]

Win the next three and we won't have to worry about bringing anyone in, until middle of September at least.

[norm the jedi]

Win the next three and we won't have to worry about bringing anyone in, until middle of September at least.

3 on the spin?

[Bruce Rioja]

Gartside was clear at the fans forum that we are not paying Eddie back and he doesn't want it back. He also said that there are interest repayments to him put through the books for tax reasons, but in reality we are not paying it.

He did indeed, and it requires someone with a better understanding of corporate finance than I (Yes, Worthington. You!) to explain it. Garty also said that the money we owe ED is owed to Moonstone Investments? Garty said that this was a trust, but as far as I could see when I got home - they build collapsible Brazilian shopping malls. He went on to say that if ED wants to take his money out then he has to put the same amount back in. How the feck does that work?

[BWFC_Insane]

Gartside was clear at the fans forum that we are not paying Eddie back and he doesn't want it back. He also said that there are interest repayments to him put through the books for tax reasons, but in reality we are not paying it.

He did indeed, and it requires someone with a better understanding of corporate finance than I (Yes, Worthington. You!) to explain it. Garty also said that the money we owe ED is owed to Moonstone Investments? Garty said that this was a trust, but as far as I could see when I got home - they build collapsible Brazilian shopping malls. He went on to say that if ED wants to take his money out then he has to put the same amount back in. How the feck does that work?

I didn't make a lot of sense, but I think he was basically saying as owner of BWFC Eddie would have to put money in, so as to repay the money he's already put in.......

Or lose value icon the company he owns by resource stripping ultimately to the same effect of losing money.....

That was my simplistic understanding of it.

[Worthy4England]

Indeed Worthy. What I'm pointing out is that if we do get someone else in and expect immediate results, it may just kick us in the nuts. Perhaps a young manager with the remit of 3 years to help restructure the club, cut his teeth and, ultimately, get us promoted would be the only viable solution. That or gamble on the usual suspects. Which may reap short term dividends, and maybe thats all that a club like we can hope for. But it would still leave us in the dangerous yo-yo-then-overspend spiral. that can't last indefinitely.

I understand that LK, my main contention with Coyle is that he hasn't done as well as I'd have expected with the resources he's had. He had a great start and was a well welcomed change from HWSNBN. But he's actually never been anywhere long enough to be on the downturn and as soon as it looked like happening at Burnley, he hopped to us. So it's really new territory for him and unfortunately, I've not seen anything to tell me he has any conception of "what happens next". We had that few games in Jan/Feb where we went 4-5-1 and I thought maybe he'd got it, then we played Norwich away and I thought back to square 1. You get the impression that he thinks the only way you can win a game is to play 4-4-2 - which is fine if he's signed the players who can play that formation - but he hasn't.

So I look at his signings, I look at his resources, I look at how we're set up as a team, I look at our results - and I have no confidence in him at all.

[truewhite15]

Precisely. Thats the tools he'll have. And with little, if any, extra funds to invest.

So then, who is this saviour who will come in and work for nowt with nowt and guarantee us promotion? From where I see it we're f*cked until people understand we're f*cked. Then we can start to rebuild.

So your great idea is to keep the current useless fecker until the club goes bankrupt, down the shitter and we have to start again from the Unibond league? Fantastic, that one...

Sorry, I'm getting senile in my old age, please could you just give me a reminder where I've put anything even remotely close to that. I can't seem to find it.

I'm confused as to what you are saying then. I understand that you're under the impression that we're working on pennies, despite assurances from manager and chairman that that isn't the case, but that's your view, and I can live with that, even if I don't agree with it.

But your comment of "We're fecked until people understand we're fecked. Then we can start to rebuild". I just don't get it. Are you advocating that we just say "sod it. Let's not change anything in the hope that we'll get something better, because we're at the financial level of League 2, so we might as well just get there by the quickest means possible"? I understand that you're cynical of the financial nature of football in general, and us in particular, but that just seems pessimistic in the extreme. Or have I misunderstood again?

[thebish]

So what youre saying is, we'd have been better placed, when we were a premiership club, of 11 years and still in it to attract a better manager? Say last November....

in what way did I say anything even remotely close to that?? give it a rest!

[CAPSLOCK]

Does a lack of money explain

1 buying Sordell and not using him
2 his treatment of Muamba pre Spurs
3 putting LCY on for his first game in 8 years when we're defending a lead
4 reverting to 4-4-2 v wigan despite being on a good run 'cos it worked once before'
5 chopping and changing our back four more regularly than I change my crackers

I accept there's not the money we had
We've still spent more on this shambles he's assembled than most teams in this Division
Our wage bill will also be at the top end

He really has no excuses

[BWFC_Insane]

So what youre saying is, we'd have been better placed, when we were a premiership club, of 11 years and still in it to attract a better manager? Say last November....

in what way did I say anything even remotely close to that?? give it a rest!

badly phrased, I'll grant... I meant "desperate enough" to not hold out for a club with a better transfer pot on offer - and/or some semblance of premiership stability.

[thebish]

So what youre saying is, we'd have been better placed, when we were a premiership club, of 11 years and still in it to attract a better manager? Say last November....

in what way did I say anything even remotely close to that?? give it a rest!

badly phrased, I'll grant... I meant "desperate enough" to not hold out for a club with a better transfer pot on offer - and/or some semblance of premiership stability.

are you now saying that back in november we had an enviable transfer pot and a semblance of premiership stability???????????

why - my memory is that back then you said we were as good as doomed?? in what what way did we have any semblance of premiership stability back in november??

[thebish]

fergie out!!!

£24mill new signing and still no goals... tsssk

[Harry Genshaw]

Does a lack of money explain

1 buying Sordell and not using him
2 his treatment of Muamba pre Spurs
3 putting LCY on for his first game in 8 years when we're defending a lead
4 reverting to 4-4-2 v wigan despite being on a good run 'cos it worked once before'
5 chopping and changing our back four more regularly than I change my crackers

I accept there's not the money we had
We've still spent more on this shambles he's assembled than most teams in this Division
Our wage bill will also be at the top end

He really has no excuses

2/3rds of the way into yon book and I'm with you on Kenny Jackett if Coyle goes

[Holden midfielder]

We are resembling Einstein's definition of insanity: doing the same things over and over yet expectingdifferent results. Specifically playing a 4-4-2 when we do not have the personnel to play that system.

[William the White]

fergie out!!!

£24mill new signing and still no goals... tsssk

Despite the fact I really hate Everton, i smiled at that result... broadly...

[midlands exile]

fergie out!!!

£24mill new signing and still no goals... tsssk

I wonder if fergie will keep the same 11 players in the same formation for their next game? And refuse to start van persie until Xmas?

[SmokinFrazier]

So g'wan, give me a clue how fooked we are.

We have to get promoted this season, or our budget will indeed equal the likes of Burnley.

Under those circumstances, I'm looking for a bit of inspiration.

I need to know who it is thats going to stop that. Because its abundantly clear that from now on (much like Wenger at Arsenal, and look at the shit from know-nowts that gets thrown at him) we are now working to a policy of balancing the books. Thats it. Little, indeed probably no more borrowing-based spending. With a general intention of paying Uncle Eddie back in the meantime. The good times have gone.

Just to be clear, whilst the rest is no doubt correct, Gartside was clear at the fans forum that we are not paying Eddie back and he doesn't want it back. He also said that there are interest repayments to him put through the books for tax reasons, but in reality we are not paying it.

If we aren't going to pay Eddie back, that means that we have no issues with debt then, right?

[jaffka]

I wonder if he will bung me £5m and not want it back?