Owen Coyle. Where did it all go wrong?

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Re: Owen Coyle. Where did it all go wrong?

Post by BWFC_Insane » Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:43 pm

Lord Kangana wrote:All that stuff went with Allardyce.
A lot of the people went but the ethos remained under Lee and Megson to an extent. Certainly much greater than under Coyle.

Under Megson a lot of the stuff like the "ice room" became voluntary rather than complusory IIRC.

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Re: Owen Coyle. Where did it all go wrong?

Post by Lord Kangana » Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:46 pm

And under Coyle it was banned? You don't half fantasise about that ginger nice person sometimes.
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Re: Owen Coyle. Where did it all go wrong?

Post by Athers » Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:46 pm

I'm not one who necessarily agrees with 'double sessions' all the time but the international break is probably the time to do them if any!

The rest, well... what can you say. A little odd though that we still employed the same number of backroom fitness staff, Brian Prestidge etc as before, but now we're supposedly actually using them!?
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Re: Owen Coyle. Where did it all go wrong?

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Athers wrote:I'm not one who necessarily agrees with 'double sessions' all the time but the international break is probably the time to do them if any!

The rest, well... what can you say. A little odd though that we still employed the same number of backroom fitness staff, Brian Prestidge etc as before, but now we're supposedly actually using them!?
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Re: Owen Coyle. Where did it all go wrong?

Post by BWFC_Insane » Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:48 pm

Lord Kangana wrote:And under Coyle it was banned? You don't half fantasise about that ginger tw*t sometimes.
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Re: Owen Coyle. Where did it all go wrong?

Post by thebish » Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:05 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:
Lord Kangana wrote:All that stuff went with Allardyce.
A lot of the people went but the ethos remained under Lee and Megson to an extent. Certainly much greater than under Coyle.

Under Megson a lot of the stuff like the "ice room" became voluntary rather than complusory IIRC.

Megson was on R5 not long ago saying that all of Allardyces backroom science stuff and legion of experts and consultants was a huge bag of bollox...

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Re: Owen Coyle. Where did it all go wrong?

Post by Athers » Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:06 pm

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Athers wrote:I'm not one who necessarily agrees with 'double sessions' all the time but the international break is probably the time to do them if any!

The rest, well... what can you say. A little odd though that we still employed the same number of backroom fitness staff, Brian Prestidge etc as before, but now we're supposedly actually using them!?
He does prozone stats, I think.
Yes but he's always on Twitter talking about about how performance analysis is only effective when communicated/used in the right way....
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Re: Owen Coyle. Where did it all go wrong?

Post by Lord Kangana » Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:07 pm

Yeah, but voluntary is basically the same as compulsory when you want to get a point across.
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Re: Owen Coyle. Where did it all go wrong?

Post by Hoboh » Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:08 pm

Aye and a fat lot of ignoring the "bollox" did for him :wink:

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Re: Owen Coyle. Where did it all go wrong?

Post by Lord Kangana » Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:12 pm

Bricks! Backpacks!! Winter Hill!!!

Get down to Euxton now Hobo, and show that useless shower how its done.
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Re: Owen Coyle. Where did it all go wrong?

Post by BWFC_Insane » Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:15 pm

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Lord Kangana wrote:All that stuff went with Allardyce.
A lot of the people went but the ethos remained under Lee and Megson to an extent. Certainly much greater than under Coyle.

Under Megson a lot of the stuff like the "ice room" became voluntary rather than complusory IIRC.

Megson was on R5 not long ago saying that all of Allardyces backroom science stuff and legion of experts and consultants was a huge bag of bollox...
He said at the time that he didn't agree with sports psychology elements.

We didn't have as much of the backroom science stuff going on because we'd lost some of the people who Allardyce took but we still had a fair bit, especially the recovery and performance stuff.

I know because I asked the club at the time.

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Re: Owen Coyle. Where did it all go wrong?

Post by Hoboh » Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:16 pm

Lord Kangana wrote:Bricks! Backpacks!! Winter Hill!!!

Get down to Euxton now Hobo, and show that useless shower how its done.
At least they'd last for a full 90 when fit and full of stamina. Used to be the case wre we picked up points by being fit enough to batter the oppo's in the last 20 or so

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Re: Owen Coyle. Where did it all go wrong?

Post by Lord Kangana » Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:16 pm

So what you're slowly conceding is that "All that stuff went with Allardyce" then?

We can drag this out a bit longer if you want.
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Re: Owen Coyle. Where did it all go wrong?

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BWFC_Insane wrote:
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Lord Kangana wrote:All that stuff went with Allardyce.
A lot of the people went but the ethos remained under Lee and Megson to an extent. Certainly much greater than under Coyle.

Under Megson a lot of the stuff like the "ice room" became voluntary rather than complusory IIRC.

Megson was on R5 not long ago saying that all of Allardyces backroom science stuff and legion of experts and consultants was a huge bag of bollox...
He said at the time that he didn't agree with sports psychology elements.

We didn't have as much of the backroom science stuff going on because we'd lost some of the people who Allardyce took but we still had a fair bit, especially the recovery and performance stuff.

I know because I asked the club at the time.
aye - and on R5 - recently interviewed - he said it was a bag of bollox.

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Re: Owen Coyle. Where did it all go wrong?

Post by Hoboh » Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:19 pm

Lord Kangana wrote:So what you're slowly conceding is that "All that stuff went with Allardyce" then?

We can drag this out a bit longer if you want.
I think most of it did, Megson was a fookin' caveman with his outlook on the game and we all are learning about the great pretenders view of how the game should be played!

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Re: Owen Coyle. Where did it all go wrong?

Post by CrazyHorse » Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:19 pm

Plus, I think he said on R5 recently in an interview that it was a bag of bollox.
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Re: Owen Coyle. Where did it all go wrong?

Post by BWFC_Insane » Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:20 pm

Lord Kangana wrote:So what you're slowly conceding is that "All that stuff went with Allardyce" then?

We can drag this out a bit longer if you want.
No, cos I bothered to find out some facts at the time.

I suspect they don't fit your version that you'd like to paint.

Anyhow, how many years has it taken you to realise that Coyle was stealing a living and dragging us down with it?

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Re: Owen Coyle. Where did it all go wrong?

Post by Lost Leopard Spot » Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:21 pm

I'm getting a headache... who said what? and why? and did they they mean it?
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Re: Owen Coyle. Where did it all go wrong?

Post by thebish » Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:25 pm

Lost Leopard Spot wrote:I'm getting a headache... who said what? and why? and did they they mean it?

megson said that BigSam's backroom army was a bag of bollox. that's basically all you need to know...

I don't think that has come up yet.

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Re: Owen Coyle. Where did it all go wrong?

Post by Lord Kangana » Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:27 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:
Lord Kangana wrote:So what you're slowly conceding is that "All that stuff went with Allardyce" then?

We can drag this out a bit longer if you want.
No, cos I bothered to find out some facts at the time.

I suspect they don't fit your version that you'd like to paint.

Anyhow, how many years has it taken you to realise that Coyle was stealing a living and dragging us down with it?

Feel free to share these facts then, it'd make for a better discussion.
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