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Re: Bogdan

Post by the-Bowtun-Warrior » Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:07 pm

officer_dibble wrote:Who is the gk coach now? is it still that muppet coyle employed? I think Bogdan can still be a too keeper but he needs some coaching...asap.

New guy has come in with Freedman.

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Re: Bogdan

Post by the-Bowtun-Warrior » Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:08 pm

Bog is 25? :shock:

I had him at about 22/23. My god. He's cack for 25.

That punch-flap with no red shirt in 10 yards, on sat was that bad that if I'd have been in the Cardiff end I'd have laughed.
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Re: Bogdan

Post by Ianmooreslovechild » Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:11 pm

cecil.bob wrote:
BWFC_Insane wrote:At the time I could understand selling Al Habsi. However I was wrong and it has turned into a big error of judgement by the club.

The decision at the time, did seem to make sense. Hindsight of course is a wonderful thing in these decisions.
Wish I could say I thought different, but I didn't. That said, I kind of feel for Boggers. I think he has some potential to be a decent keeper, but his confidence has to be shattered, we haven't had a clean sheet in how long? Whens the last time we had two back to back? Not sure what the long term solution is, but we ought to try and find someone to coem in on loan in January...
Cant we get a loan now? Thought the rules were different in championship.
Fetch Fred Barber back and give bogdan a break and some quality coaching.Reminded me of Jussi in his heyday last season when bogdan had some of his best games. He does have potential.25 is still young for a keeper and he never saw first team football before last season.

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Re: Bogdan

Post by Montreal Wanderer » Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:48 pm

bobo the clown wrote:It was an error, & I did cakl it back then, to sell Ali. Jussi never failed to hold the club to contract ransom & though he'd been great we actually could have sold him on. Not for £gazzilions, but we'd have got something & both Arsenal & Stretford, to name just 2, were looking for competition for the position & he'd have taken his chance.

Selling a younger version to a local & relegation rival was madness.

Boggers is an OK keeper, but we need a GOOD keeper & he's far from that right now.
I too called it at the time and I too believe we could have moved him on (it could have been a free for all I would care). I don't think AAH suddenly got good after we sold him - he was good before and with first team work at Wigan was able to showcase it more. Bogdan had potential at the time but he is no Ali and never was. So, like Bobo, I did not think it was the right decision at the time - I might have acknowledged I was wrong had Bogdan developed into an outstanding replacement, but ....
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Re: Bogdan

Post by Sponge » Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:13 pm

I saw a stat the other day that said Jussi and Al Habsi are leading the "saves made" table in the Premiership. Of course, you could say that's because they have poor defences in front of them, but Petr Cech was third or fourth and Chelsea are top (though admittedly he does have Luiz and a former Bolton defender in front of him).

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Re: Bogdan

Post by Tals-biggest-fan » Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:15 pm

Craig Gordon may be worth a look at, he's nearing fitness again after his knee surgery and is available on a free since Sunderland released him, couldn't be any worse then Boggers.


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Re: Bogdan

Post by thebish » Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:17 pm

I know it is swimming against the tide - and definitely not fashionable - but it is FAR too early to be writing boggers off...

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Re: Bogdan

Post by Tombwfc » Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:22 pm

The time to shift Jussi on and promote Al Habsi was just after we stayed up under Megson. Jaaskelainen was out of contract, and Al Habsi had had a great season.

By the time it came around to when we actually sold Ali, I don't believe there was a decision to make. Al Habsi was happy at Wigan and wanted to stay there, Jussi was under contract, everyone presumed Bogdan was the next big thing and we needed the £4mil to buy a striker.

I do think it was a terrible decision to bin off Jussi for Bogdan though. Other than being young, I don't see what Bogdan has going for him at all.

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Re: Bogdan

Post by officer_dibble » Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:32 pm

He wasnt terrible at WHL last season...he isnt terrible at all.

Time and coaching. And perhaps having the pressure off his shouldrers for a bit.

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Re: Bogdan

Post by BWFC_Insane » Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:33 pm

thebish wrote:I know it is swimming against the tide - and definitely not fashionable - but it is FAR too early to be writing boggers off...
Agreed, when Jussi first came onto the scene he made worse mistakes.

But he does need taking out the firing line for a bit IMO.

Just to stop heaping too much pressure on him.

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Re: Bogdan

Post by jaffka » Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:37 pm

Giving him more protection, which hopefully the new gaffer will offer will help him.

He has made mistakes, all keepers do that but also manages to pull off somevery good stops.

He is still young in goalkeeping years and I think that he will be fine.

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Re: Bogdan

Post by bobo the clown » Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:39 pm

the-Bowtun-Warrior wrote:
officer_dibble wrote:Who is the gk coach now? is it still that muppet coyle employed? I think Bogdan can still be a too keeper but he needs some coaching...asap.
New guy has come in with Freedman.
We do /

Who ?


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Re: Bogdan

Post by plymouth wanderer » Mon Nov 05, 2012 10:06 pm

thebish wrote:I know it is swimming against the tide - and definitely not fashionable - but it is FAR too early to be writing boggers off...

Agreed, He'll be fine

As with all the players (iv said it loads of times) i'll judge them all when we get/got a manager who knows how to organise a team
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Re: Bogdan

Post by the-Bowtun-Warrior » Mon Nov 05, 2012 10:38 pm

bobo the clown wrote:
the-Bowtun-Warrior wrote:
officer_dibble wrote:Who is the gk coach now? is it still that muppet coyle employed? I think Bogdan can still be a too keeper but he needs some coaching...asap.
New guy has come in with Freedman.
We do /

Who ?


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I don't know his name.
I just know we have got someone new :conf:

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Re: Bogdan

Post by Lord Kangana » Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:34 pm

We sold AAH for £££'s.

We rid ourselves of Jussi for the ££££'s

Give Bogdan a break. He needs to be taken from the firing line, just as BWFCi says, absolutely, but he's the most promising young keeper we've had since Jussi. Ruminate on that.
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Re: Bogdan

Post by Hoboh » Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:53 pm

Said Jussi should hae been shown thefeck off with Your contract demands take this n leave at the time

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Re: Bogdan

Post by Dr.Karl » Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:07 am

bobo the clown wrote:
bwfcdan94 wrote:still think he is excellent and if he had a good defense in front of him he might have a chance
That'll be due to you being a fckg idiot, I guess.
Is there any need for this?

Boggers looks very shaky atm. I just have no confidence in his ability to deal with crosses or even as a shot stopper. The number of times he parry's it into the six yard box is criminal. His distribution is pretty bad too and he seems to take forever when an easy pass is available to get a break going. Their inswinging corners on Saturday looked very dangerous mainly because of the indecision he causes.

Obviously a huge error in judgement letting both Al Habsi and Jussi go, we should have kept one. And lets be honest a lot of us thought Al Habsi should have been number one anyway. Quite amazing to see those two as regular premier league starters while we have an inexperience goalie. TBF he looked alright last season in a lot of games so it might just be a confidence thing.
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Re: Bogdan

Post by SmokinFrazier » Tue Nov 06, 2012 1:15 am

I think most of the mistakes Bogdan makes could be trained out of him. He's a good shot stopper but there are areas he needs to improve on, and I'm sure he would do if he had good coaches to work with him. A goalkeeping coach is a bigger necessity than a replacement for Bogdan, in my opinion.

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Re: Bogdan

Post by IggyTheDawgster » Tue Nov 06, 2012 1:41 am

C'mon, He saved it with his face....
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Re: Bogdan

Post by leyther95 » Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:00 am

I think Boggers will improve. Hes only 25 and with the right training and an improved defence he should sustain his place as BWFC number 1!

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