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Post by boltonboris » Fri Nov 23, 2012 3:21 pm

Sounds promising and like BWFCI says.. Let's hope Freedman gets what he's after out of him.
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Post by TANGODANCER » Fri Nov 23, 2012 3:21 pm

Whatever the reason, it's pretty obvious he isn't considered good enough for the first XI right now by DF. I'd have to think most of that would be down to him. He's either a 4m striker or he isn't. Currently, it looks like the latter.
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Post by BWFC_Insane » Fri Nov 23, 2012 3:24 pm

TANGODANCER wrote:Whatever the reason, it's pretty obvious he isn't considered good enough for the first XI right now by DF. I'd have to think most of that would be down to him. He's either a 4m striker or he isn't. Currently, it looks like the latter.
Have you read the article? Cos if you have we do know the reasons, and we do know what is being done to try and rectify the situation. :conf:

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Post by Lost Leopard Spot » Fri Nov 23, 2012 3:30 pm

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TANGODANCER wrote:Whatever the reason, it's pretty obvious he isn't considered good enough for the first XI right now by DF. I'd have to think most of that would be down to him. He's either a 4m striker or he isn't. Currently, it looks like the latter.
Have you read the article? Cos if you have we do know the reasons, and we do know what is being done to try and rectify the situation. :conf:
Yes. I read the article. I don't understand how being homesick makes you match unfit. He was not matchfit because he hasn't played any matches, but you don't not get picked to play because you're homesick. So, despite the fact that you think it is a reasonable explanation, I don't. Reading between the lines, I think it's code for saying he's fragile minded and plays like a spanner when he's all of a dither and therefore what TangoD said makes sense.
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Post by thebish » Fri Nov 23, 2012 3:31 pm

very encouraging to hear... very encouraging indeed - and well done Dougie...

if I were to be hyper critical - I'd still have expected a young striker who wants to make it big in the game to be giving his all to get fit at the very least and force his way into contention...

yes - I accept that people are different and some are fragile souls who are easily disheartened by not getting picked and so stop trying so hard...

anyway - I hope dougie's approach reaps the rewards it deserves...

still all quiet on the Holden front...

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Post by officer_dibble » Fri Nov 23, 2012 3:46 pm

Holden wont play till Feb

Sordell - fine & right approach. Very disturbing to hear he is unfit. He hasn't been injured; clearly a training issue.

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Post by thebish » Fri Nov 23, 2012 3:48 pm

officer_dibble wrote:Holden wont play till Feb

Sordell - fine & right approach. Very disturbing to hear he is unfit. He hasn't been injured; clearly a training issue.
aye - but it also staggers me that a highly paid professional football player would not have the personal pride/professionalism at least to keep himself at the peak of physical fitness...

i mean - what else has he got to do all day??

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Post by 89bwfc89 » Fri Nov 23, 2012 4:07 pm

thebish wrote:
officer_dibble wrote:Holden wont play till Feb

Sordell - fine & right approach. Very disturbing to hear he is unfit. He hasn't been injured; clearly a training issue.
aye - but it also staggers me that a highly paid professional football player would not have the personal pride/professionalism at least to keep himself at the peak of physical fitness...

i mean - what else has he got to do all day??
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Post by thebish » Fri Nov 23, 2012 4:08 pm

89bwfc89 wrote:
thebish wrote:
officer_dibble wrote:Holden wont play till Feb

Sordell - fine & right approach. Very disturbing to hear he is unfit. He hasn't been injured; clearly a training issue.
aye - but it also staggers me that a highly paid professional football player would not have the personal pride/professionalism at least to keep himself at the peak of physical fitness...

i mean - what else has he got to do all day??
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Post by Abdoulaye's Twin » Fri Nov 23, 2012 4:25 pm

89bwfc89 wrote:The wanderer...... :conf:

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Post by Abdoulaye's Twin » Fri Nov 23, 2012 4:30 pm

thebish wrote:
officer_dibble wrote:Holden wont play till Feb

Sordell - fine & right approach. Very disturbing to hear he is unfit. He hasn't been injured; clearly a training issue.
aye - but it also staggers me that a highly paid professional football player would not have the personal pride/professionalism at least to keep himself at the peak of physical fitness...

i mean - what else has he got to do all day??
To be fair folk on here have been lamenting the fitness of the whole squad until fairly recently.

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Post by bobo the clown » Fri Nov 23, 2012 4:36 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/wa ... s/10066131._/

Quite refereshing to read an honest assessment of a player from a manager with no dressing stuff up.

But also the old Sam Allardyce "arm round the shoulder" approach to getting players back to their best in evidence here.

Lets hope Sordell responds. At least we know whats going on rather than the bullshit we were fed previously.
Though there's a lot of code in that as well.
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“So far he has done that, he’s had a couple of weeks of it."
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"He's become very unfit and is in no shape for first team football. Largely because he was abandoned by the previous pillock and he's got into a downward spiral. e needs to shape up now".

Obviously someone who needs a cuddle rather than being bawled-out (which was supposed to be Coyle's forte). I suspect there's some truth in that .... but also in the suggestion that he hasn't helped himself either.

Homesick ? Bollox ... sulking more like.

At least he didn't spend his wages on Nando's night-in, night out.
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Post by thebish » Fri Nov 23, 2012 4:37 pm

Abdoulaye's Twin wrote:
thebish wrote:
officer_dibble wrote:Holden wont play till Feb

Sordell - fine & right approach. Very disturbing to hear he is unfit. He hasn't been injured; clearly a training issue.
aye - but it also staggers me that a highly paid professional football player would not have the personal pride/professionalism at least to keep himself at the peak of physical fitness...

i mean - what else has he got to do all day??
To be fair folk on here have been lamenting the fitness of the whole squad until fairly recently.
aye - that's true - and I am happy to be fair - there has clearly been a training issue..

but that notwithstanding - these are professional footballers - and whilst they can't be blamed for lack of match fitness if they are not getting picked - they still have access to all the facilities and expertise - and have ample time on their hands - so there really is no excuse for them not maintaining their physical fitness.. surely physical fitness is a basic requirement for the job???

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Post by TANGODANCER » Fri Nov 23, 2012 4:46 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:
TANGODANCER wrote:Whatever the reason, it's pretty obvious he isn't considered good enough for the first XI right now by DF. I'd have to think most of that would be down to him. He's either a 4m striker or he isn't. Currently, it looks like the latter.
Have you read the article? Cos if you have we do know the reasons, and we do know what is being done to try and rectify the situation. :conf:
Yes, I have read the article as I have today's BN. You might also note that I said nothing that contradicts it. Currently, he isn't a 4m striker or he'd be playing. If DF can do as he says and bring him back to that status (by whatever means) then fine. I do hope he can. Not being fit constitutes being currently not good enough does it not?

ps. Hope you'll forgive me for thinking he's a bit of a mard fxcker in the bargain.Homesick is hardly something most empoyers would accept for a £300 a week employee not doing his job.
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Post by Abdoulaye's Twin » Fri Nov 23, 2012 4:51 pm

thebish wrote: aye - that's true - and I am happy to be fair - there has clearly been a training issue..

but that notwithstanding - these are professional footballers - and whilst they can't be blamed for lack of match fitness if they are not getting picked - they still have access to all the facilities and expertise - and have ample time on their hands - so there really is no excuse for them not maintaining their physical fitness.. surely physical fitness is a basic requirement for the job???
I don't disagree. I think there is a whole host of issues at play, including, but not limited to:

Lax training attitude of previous regime that filtered into the players own attitude
Club not putting the same effort into looking after new players as previously (Nandogate)
Player having a 'I've made it/big I am' attitude
Bit of homesickness and missing mates etc
Lack of confidence brought about by not playing
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Post by Enoch » Fri Nov 23, 2012 7:30 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:Quite refereshing to read an honest assessment of a player from a manager with no dressing stuff up.
Honest?

I wonder, but in the context it's offered I like it.

Maybe Sordell isn't a lost cause, maybe he is. Either way, Freedman's comments seem likely to be in the clubs best interests. He just might make something of the fella, or he just might convince someone else that Sordell's worth taking a punt on.

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Post by officer_dibble » Fri Nov 23, 2012 8:42 pm

thebish wrote:
officer_dibble wrote:Holden wont play till Feb

Sordell - fine & right approach. Very disturbing to hear he is unfit. He hasn't been injured; clearly a training issue.
aye - but it also staggers me that a highly paid professional football player would not have the personal pride/professionalism at least to keep himself at the peak of physical fitness...

i mean - what else has he got to do all day??
Agreed! Clearly has a poor attitude.

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Post by Ianmooreslovechild » Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:02 pm

officer_dibble wrote:
thebish wrote:
officer_dibble wrote:Holden wont play till Feb

Sordell - fine & right approach. Very disturbing to hear he is unfit. He hasn't been injured; clearly a training issue.
aye - but it also staggers me that a highly paid professional football player would not have the personal pride/professionalism at least to keep himself at the peak of physical fitness...

i mean - what else has he got to do all day??
Agreed! Clearly has a poor attitude.
There are people who are self motivated and others who need more help/support. You're talking about a young lad here who has a big price tag,moved away from all his mates then never even got a game. The money thing becomes irrelevant I reckon to some degree. He's got a contract and gets paid either way but being ostracized as he was bizarrely from the start by coyle and being an outsider in a new place must be pretty shit for what is essentially a kid. As others have said coyle seems to have completely neglected the psyhological aspect of new players coming in at the same time a neglecting the physical aspect of fitness. Sordell is not match fit because he hasnt played for 8 months pretty much,he's a long way off match fit because he's probably been suffering from some degree of depression(due to circumstance) and has been under a manager who didnt seem bothered about fitness. How could he have been motivated to remain match fit when he knew he wasnt in the first team picture and he had a manager who had no idea what he was doing.
For me DF s statement is further evidence that he knows what he's doing and that coyle was possibly even worse than we suspected.

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Post by Enoch » Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:10 pm

I was wondering if anyone had considered the lads mental health. Professional footballers, after all, are only people that happen to be good at football.

As for match fitness, surely it's called that because it only comes with playing matches.

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Post by bobo the clown » Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:26 pm

Ianmooreslovechild wrote:For me DF s statement is further evidence that he knows what he's doing and that coyle was possibly even worse than we suspected.
Which is something I thought impossible, but you're correct. He excels with every piece of information you hear.
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