FA Cup 2012/2013 - Third Round.

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Re: FA Cup 2012/2013 - Third Round.

Post by leyther95 » Mon Jan 07, 2013 10:51 am

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leyther95 wrote:Sordell took his goal well, yeah. He constantly put pressure on there defenders chasing the ball etc which won us a few throw ins in the top third, other than that he was terrible. I know Bardsley isnt slow but Sordell looked like he was running in tricle when chasing a ball against him. As for Ngog I think he played well but as someone posted earlier he does the hard work then just cant seem to get a shot away. Midfield was OK considering against premier league opposition. Defence - Was impressed for the majority of the game. I think Alonso is coming on a hell of a lot. Lonergan well I think everybody has mentioned looked class. Would definitley start him against Millwall and see if he can back it up. I dont think we will get a win at their place but that game has given me confidence that we could possibly move up the table. COYWM!!!
We already didn't. They're coming to us on Sat. Sorry to be picky :)
Sorry I meant the Sunderland away game.

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Post by coffeymagic » Mon Jan 07, 2013 10:52 am

Centre forwards do need to do more than 'just score'. Kris Boyd did that up here and watching Rangers was like watching a team start with a 1-0 lead but only ten men on the pitch.

It's ok being like that if you're a great finisher like Lineker, RVN or Berbatov (who does a hell of a lot more work than he gets credit for by the way) and you score the majority of chances you get but when you're not converting then you need to bring a little more to the team than 1 goal every six games.

What annoyed me was how our attack didn't seem to want to gamble.

All game Titus Bramble made sloppy back passes and played the ball across the 18 yard line without even looking once.

Klasnic would have probably scored playing against him because he'd keep making a run into space our lot spent so much time joined at the hip in the centre circle it was hard to see how we were going to score.

That one-on-one pretty much summed up a lack of confidence/ability for me. If he wasn't fast enough to out pace the defender (Sunderland were very quick at getting back and swarming over our 'attack' - a bit like we used to) then he should have taken one touch and pulled the trigger.

SKD got a cheer for preventing a goal kick when, if he'd have been on his toes he could have (possibly) got a cross in, or at least held the ball up for help to come. He didn't even start running until the ball was over his head and lost.

On the whole though thought the defence played well, it wasn't until Connor Wickham came on that Sunderland started to threaten.

Midfield was ok, thought Petrov played well and liked the corner routine that lead to the goal. Should of tried that a bit later but there you go.

Just wish the forwards would take a chance now and again. What do they have to lose?

Oh aye, well played Lonergran.
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Re: FA Cup 2012/2013 - Third Round.

Post by 89bwfc89 » Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:00 am

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leyther95 wrote:Sordell took his goal well, yeah. He constantly put pressure on there defenders chasing the ball etc which won us a few throw ins in the top third, other than that he was terrible. I know Bardsley isnt slow but Sordell looked like he was running in tricle when chasing a ball against him. As for Ngog I think he played well but as someone posted earlier he does the hard work then just cant seem to get a shot away. Midfield was OK considering against premier league opposition. Defence - Was impressed for the majority of the game. I think Alonso is coming on a hell of a lot. Lonergan well I think everybody has mentioned looked class. Would definitley start him against Millwall and see if he can back it up. I dont think we will get a win at their place but that game has given me confidence that we could possibly move up the table. COYWM!!!
We already didn't. They're coming to us on Sat. Sorry to be picky :)
Sorry I meant the Sunderland away game.
Aaah, makes more sense!

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Post by ohjimmyjimmy » Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:38 am

89bwfc89 wrote:
leyther95 wrote:
89bwfc89 wrote:
leyther95 wrote:Sordell took his goal well, yeah. He constantly put pressure on there defenders chasing the ball etc which won us a few throw ins in the top third, other than that he was terrible. I know Bardsley isnt slow but Sordell looked like he was running in tricle when chasing a ball against him. As for Ngog I think he played well but as someone posted earlier he does the hard work then just cant seem to get a shot away. Midfield was OK considering against premier league opposition. Defence - Was impressed for the majority of the game. I think Alonso is coming on a hell of a lot. Lonergan well I think everybody has mentioned looked class. Would definitley start him against Millwall and see if he can back it up. I dont think we will get a win at their place but that game has given me confidence that we could possibly move up the table. COYWM!!!
We already didn't. They're coming to us on Sat. Sorry to be picky :)
Sorry I meant the Sunderland away game.


Aaah, makes more sense!
Bet you feel pretty silly now dont you... :wink:

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Post by 89bwfc89 » Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:50 am

ohjimmyjimmy wrote:
89bwfc89 wrote:
leyther95 wrote:
89bwfc89 wrote:
leyther95 wrote:Sordell took his goal well, yeah. He constantly put pressure on there defenders chasing the ball etc which won us a few throw ins in the top third, other than that he was terrible. I know Bardsley isnt slow but Sordell looked like he was running in tricle when chasing a ball against him. As for Ngog I think he played well but as someone posted earlier he does the hard work then just cant seem to get a shot away. Midfield was OK considering against premier league opposition. Defence - Was impressed for the majority of the game. I think Alonso is coming on a hell of a lot. Lonergan well I think everybody has mentioned looked class. Would definitley start him against Millwall and see if he can back it up. I dont think we will get a win at their place but that game has given me confidence that we could possibly move up the table. COYWM!!!
We already didn't. They're coming to us on Sat. Sorry to be picky :)
Sorry I meant the Sunderland away game.


Aaah, makes more sense!
Bet you feel pretty silly now dont you... :wink:
Sod off.

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Post by BWFC_Insane » Mon Jan 07, 2013 1:44 pm

So apparently Sordell now has a "social media addiction".

http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/wa ... s/10143714._/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Oh Lordy.......

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Post by plymouth wanderer » Mon Jan 07, 2013 2:18 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:So apparently Sordell now has a "social media addiction".

http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/wa ... s/10143714._/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Oh Lordy.......

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Post by coffeymagic » Mon Jan 07, 2013 2:33 pm

i've just tweeted him that I hope he gets over it. If he replies I'll favorite it and retweet it.

Just to cheer him up.

At least David James had the decency to be addicted to Super Mario or whatever it was.

Footballers these days. Need to get out and get some proper vices, like birds, booze and drugs.

Well, a lot of them do but it's all so seedy these days isn't it?
I'm not asking you to 'think outside the box' I just wish you'd have a rummage around in it once in a while.

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Post by 89bwfc89 » Mon Jan 07, 2013 2:36 pm

coffeymagic wrote:i've just tweeted him that I hope he gets over it. If he replies I'll favorite it and retweet it.

Just to cheer him up.

At least David James had the decency to be addicted to Super Mario or whatever it was.

Footballers these days. Need to get out and get some proper vices, like birds, booze and drugs.

Well, a lot of them do but it's all so seedy these days isn't it?
I'm not sure he'll receive your tweet in rehab.

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Post by BWFC_Insane » Mon Jan 07, 2013 2:41 pm

You can just tell that Freedman isn't impressed.

Phrases like "glimmers of hope" don't fill you with confidence.

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Post by Sponge » Mon Jan 07, 2013 2:44 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:You can just tell that Freedman isn't impressed.

Phrases like "glimmers of hope" don't fill you with confidence.

Or "reasonably well".

But I appreciate the fact that he at least speaks these things out.

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Post by 89bwfc89 » Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:32 pm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... e-use.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I know it's the Daily Mail and all that but can't believe the story has made a national newspaper, thought it was just a bit-part story in the local paper. Embarrasing.

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Post by SmokinFrazier » Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:00 pm

"Embarrassing" is the right word. We spend £4m on a player who is told not to use f*cking Twitter and still does. Ugh.

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Post by boltonboris » Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:16 pm

Everytime something bad is reported, his fee goes up..
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Post by 89bwfc89 » Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:20 pm

May be being a bit thick here, what do u mean his fee goes up?

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Post by Gravedigger » Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:22 pm

Wonder how long it will be before he sues Bolton Wanderers for not taking his feelings into account. And I hope to Fk nobody starts singing the "Tweet-tweet" song on Saturday. 8)
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Post by jaffka » Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:24 pm

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Post by officer_dibble » Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:20 pm

Wow. Just wow.

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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:50 pm

coffeymagic wrote:Centre forwards do need to do more than 'just score'. Kris Boyd did that up here and watching Rangers was like watching a team start with a 1-0 lead but only ten men on the pitch.

It's ok being like that if you're a great finisher like Lineker, RVN or Berbatov (who does a hell of a lot more work than he gets credit for by the way) and you score the majority of chances you get but when you're not converting then you need to bring a little more to the team than 1 goal every six games.
Or even nearly three every four games: Van Nistelrooy got 150 in 219 games for the rags, but Ferguson happily sold him. In the five years he was there, they won the league once; in the following five years they won it four times.

Not that I think Sordell is necessarily that type of player, but just some more grist for the Coffey mill.

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Post by Prufrock » Mon Jan 07, 2013 7:03 pm

It's too simplistic an argument IMO. No striker 'just scores goals'. Klasnic didn't win many headers, didn't run in behind very often, didn't chase down much. He did drop deep to get involved in midfield though, and spread it well. Obviously some strikers do do a lot more (goal-scoring aside) than others. We'd all like the 30 goal a season man who is strong in the air, quick, runs in behind, but they are pretty rare. Whilst, particularly as the one up top on your own, you need to be an outlet. That can be pace in the channels, aerial ability, hold it up to feet, whatever, but you do need to be a pressure valve. How good at it you are needs balancing against how likely you are to score, because, obviously if you play 11 non-scorers, you aren't going to win.

I'd personally rather defend a 1-0 for 90 mins with 10 men, than a 0-0 with 11. Even better would be some balance between goal-scoring and all round play.
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