A case for Defence (is it really all Zats Fault?)

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Re: A case for Defence (is it really all Zats Fault?)

Post by boltonboris » Fri Aug 30, 2013 6:13 am

I like the fact that some people have excused him for being utterly shit, because some other players are pretty shit too..

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Re: A case for Defence (is it really all Zats Fault?)

Post by Lost Leopard Spot » Fri Aug 30, 2013 8:28 am

My vote is he's a liability. And I'm flabbergasted by the captaincy.
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Re: A case for Defence (is it really all Zats Fault?)

Post by malcd1 » Fri Aug 30, 2013 9:14 am

It is no good playing OK for 89 minutes if you make a mistake and cost us a goal. That is Zat Knight.

Not a really shit defender but liable to make one bad mistake every game and will costs us a lot of points over the season.
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Re: A case for Defence (is it really all Zats Fault?)

Post by a1 » Fri Aug 30, 2013 2:04 pm

dont think he's let a last minute goal in..

wheater's gone terrible in a wierdly fast way. and mills is toss. i'd play three at the back, so its all down to him. he getting stick anyway. when he were playing with dawson they barely put a foot wrong.

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Re: A case for Defence (is it really all Zats Fault?)

Post by Lost Leopard Spot » Fri Aug 30, 2013 2:13 pm

a1 wrote:dont think he's let a last minute goal in..

wheater's gone terrible in a wierdly fast way. and mills is toss. i'd play three at the back, so its all down to him. he getting stick anyway. when he were playing with dawson they barely put a foot wrong.

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If he were to blame for last minute goals then I guarantee that there'd be a stewards enquiry as to whether or not he was backpocketting wads of cash from dodgy Far Eastern gambling syndicates. The mistakes he makes look that bleeding blatant at times. His only saving grace is that so far the team has had the opportunity to make up for the glaring cock-ups (not that the team has managed much in the way of compensation recently).
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Re: A case for Defence (is it really all Zats Fault?)

Post by malcd1 » Fri Aug 30, 2013 10:23 pm

a1 wrote:dont think he's let a last minute goal in..

wheater's gone terrible in a wierdly fast way. and mills is toss. i'd play three at the back, so its all down to him. he getting stick anyway. when he were playing with dawson they barely put a foot wrong.

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I wasn't meaning the actual last minute of every game. It doesn't matter where the lapse in concentration is in the match, if it costs us a goal then we will struggle. It could be the 5th minute or the 75th minute. It just isn't good enough from Knight.
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Re: A case for Defence (is it really all Zats Fault?)

Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Fri Aug 30, 2013 11:43 pm

malcd1 wrote:I wasn't meaning the actual last minute of every game. It doesn't matter where the lapse in concentration is in the match, if it costs us a goal then we will struggle. It could be the 5th minute or the 75th minute. It just isn't good enough from Knight.
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Baseball was an art, but to excel at it you had to become a machine. It didn’t matter how beautifully you performed sometimes, what you did on your best day, how many spectacular plays you made. You weren’t a painter or a writer - you didn’t work in private and discard your mistakes, and it wasn’t just your masterpieces that counted. What mattered, as for any machine, was repeatability. Moments of inspiration were nothing compared to elimination of error.

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Re: A case for Defence (is it really all Zats Fault?)

Post by TANGODANCER » Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:21 pm

After watching Gary Cahill's brilliant defensive display last night, I sighed and wished for times past but not forgotten.
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Re: A case for Defence (is it really all Zats Fault?)

Post by malcd1 » Sat Aug 31, 2013 4:02 pm

Can we all agree that Zat Knight really is crap. I know the first goal was not all his fault but he has to take a large chunk of the blame. The second is a typical Knightmare mistake.
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Re: A case for Defence (is it really all Zats Fault?)

Post by plymouth wanderer » Sat Aug 31, 2013 8:57 pm

How the fvck he's captain I'll never know

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Re: A case for Defence (is it really all Zats Fault?)

Post by officer_dibble » Sat Aug 31, 2013 10:08 pm

Lackadaisical c*nt

Hope he gets run over in the euxton car park!

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Re: A case for Defence (is it really all Zats Fault?)

Post by bobo the clown » Sat Aug 31, 2013 10:15 pm

A case for Defence (is it really all Zats Fault?)
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Re: A case for Defence (is it really all Zats Fault?)

Post by Lord Kangana » Sat Aug 31, 2013 10:22 pm

I think OD's comment in the other thread is pertinent here. Dougie dropped a massive bollock making him captain, and now needs an easy 'out' as they say. I don't wish serious injury on any player, and I won't now, but I can't see how dougie can backtrack on this decision without it having detrimental repercussions on his reputation with the squad, and it'll end up looking like a massive climbdown. A little niggly one might keep him out for long enough for someone to take that awkward decision out of his hands.
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Re: A case for Defence (is it really all Zats Fault?)

Post by officer_dibble » Sat Aug 31, 2013 10:33 pm

Lord Kangana wrote:I think OD's comment in the other thread is pertinent here. Dougie dropped a massive bollock making him captain, and now needs an easy 'out' as they say. I don't wish serious injury on any player, and I won't now, but I can't see how dougie can backtrack on this decision without it having detrimental repercussions on his reputation with the squad, and it'll end up looking like a massive climbdown. A little niggly one might keep him out for long enough for someone to take that awkward decision out of his hands.
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Re: A case for Defence (is it really all Zats Fault?)

Post by jaffka » Sat Aug 31, 2013 10:46 pm

He is crap but wishing injury on him...no, that is not on.

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Re: A case for Defence (is it really all Zats Fault?)

Post by CrazyHorse » Sat Aug 31, 2013 11:01 pm

Maybe. Just maybe Dougie hopes that by making a big deal of publically putting his faith in Zat and making him captain might just pull the wool over the eyes of an unsuspecting lower Premier League club who'll swoop in and offer us six million quid for the useless sack of shite.

Maybe. Just maybe.
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Post by thebish » Sat Aug 31, 2013 11:10 pm

CrazyHorse wrote:Maybe. Just maybe Dougie hopes that by making a big deal of publically putting his faith in Zat and making him captain might just pull the wool over the eyes of an unsuspecting lower Premier League club who'll swoop in and offer us six million quid for the useless sack of shite.

Maybe. Just maybe.
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Re: A case for Defence (is it really all Zats Fault?)

Post by Abdoulaye's Twin » Sun Sep 01, 2013 6:18 am

He may have made Knight captain but there are a few ways he can drop him for a game or 2 and save face.

1. Get the science geeks to doctor the numbers and make it look like he needs a break or he'll get an injury.
2. Have an adult chat with him and explain that we need to try something different. You're still captain, but I'm going to sit you out a couple of games to try something.

In both cases he doesn't have to put him back in if there is a big improvement as he has his justification.

Anyway. Even if it upsets a few in the squad, they need some upsetting right now.

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Re: A case for Defence (is it really all Zats Fault?)

Post by Hoboh » Sun Sep 01, 2013 7:35 am

I suspect Knights attitude is causing the malaise in the dressing room!

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Re: A case for Defence (is it really all Zats Fault?)

Post by officer_dibble » Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:53 pm

On the bench for the reserves or whatever they are called.

Hope its the beginning of the end for the prick. Stole a living from this club for far too long.

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