Freedman out!

[Lord Kangana]

Well the answer to Coyle was Freedman. Which has brought us to our lowest point in near twenty years, so surely the answer is anyone?

And if you'll do the courtesy of answering the reverse question, if we lose at Brighton, are you advocating sticking with him?

[Lost Leopard Spot]

We're going to be relegated again this season.

that's ok - because it's the normal thing for relegated clubs who have been in the top flight for a while - not much the manager can do to stop it... especially if we've got ace players rubbish players ok players and we just need one more to launch us to promotion rubbish players players

So, for example, QPR are heading for the pit of doom because they are a relegated club who have been in the top flight for a while, even though they've got Harry two bulldogs *twitch* in charge, and their players are ace players rubbish players ok players and we just need one more to launch us to promotion rubbish players

It's all making sense to me.

It's not about the money, money, money
We don't need your money, money, money
We just wanna make the world dance,
Forget about the Price Tag.

Ain't about the (ha) Cha-Ching Cha-Ching.
Aint about the (yeah) Ba-Bling Ba-Bling
Wanna make the world dance,
Forget about the Price Tag.

[Wandering Willy]

How much is crack these days?

[Lost Leopard Spot]

How much is crack these days?

I dunno, I'm on something else.

[thebish]

We're going to be relegated again this season.

that's ok - because it's the normal thing for relegated clubs who have been in the top flight for a while - not much the manager can do to stop it... especially if we've got ace players rubbish players ok players and we just need one more to launch us to promotion rubbish players players

It isn't ok, but what do you think the answer is? I mean if you want someone else in, who would that be?

I don't want anyone else in - I have consistently said that we should stick with dougie for the roller-coaster ride. i've never been a sack-the-manager merchant...

however - I DO think dougie should be doing a whole lot better than being bottom with the squad he has.

I don't think he should be so easily excused from blame by any of the following:

1) our squad is shoite
2) we have spent no money
3) we just need one more piece in the puzzle and the board/eddie/gartside are holding him back
4) poor us we have injuries
5) it's inevitable for a relegated side after a lengthy time in the top flight

what would I do? same as I said on the "what would you do" thread - I'd bring in a defensive coach to help dougie.

[CrazyHorse]

We're going to lose at Brighton. But it'll be the home defeat to Yeovil that'll be the turning point of the season.
One way or another.

[BWFC_Insane]

Well the answer to Coyle was Freedman. Which has brought us to our lowest point in near twenty years, so surely the answer is anyone?

And if you'll do the courtesy of answering the reverse question, if we lose at Brighton, are you advocating sticking with him?

I still think he's a good manager.

But things are going wrong. Very wrong here.

I don't know what the answer is. I'll hold my hands up and say that.

I couldn't go last night but there seems to have been a mixed bag of some good and some bad. The general line seems to be some progress, but nowhere near enough.

I'm waiting for a compelling case being made by someone for a realistic replacement. I don't think we can afford to keep going through managers like smelling salts. If a change is made it would have to be for someone that really unites the club (including the fans) and really can turn around a longstanding slippage. DF seemed to have done that last season but now we have regressed.

If the answer is Lee and Phillips then I'm worried what the question is. Same goes for Pulis really.

[Worthy4England]

Frankly I'm scratching my head as much as anyone and wondering what the hell is going on.

But I still can't shake the feeling that this is what has happened to many relegated sides, (especially ones who had enjoyed a fairly long stay in the top flight)

so... with hindsight - maybe we should have not sacked Coyle - is that what you're saying - cos it's the normal situation a relegated club finds itself in regardless of management?

Errr no, not even with the benefit of hindsight.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

We're going to be relegated again this season.

that's ok - because it's the normal thing for relegated clubs who have been in the top flight for a while - not much the manager can do to stop it... especially if we've got ace players rubbish players ok players and we just need one more to launch us to promotion rubbish players players

It isn't ok, but what do you think the answer is? I mean if you want someone else in, who would that be?

I don't want anyone else in - I have consistently said that we should stick with dougie for the roller-coaster ride. i've never been a sack-the-manager merchant...

however - I DO think dougie should be doing a whole lot better than being bottom with the squad he has.

I don't think he should be so easily excused from blame by any of the following:

1) our squad is shoite
2) we have spent no money
3) we just need one more piece in the puzzle and the board/eddie/gartside are holding him back
4) poor us we have injuries
5) it's inevitable for a relegated side after a lengthy time in the top flight

what would I do? same as I said on the "what would you do" thread - I'd bring in a defensive coach to help dougie.

A proper defensive coach costs money. Extra dosh we don't have. What we need is a rights issue, and flotation on the Dow Jones.

[thebish]

anyway - we can't really expect to beat anyone above us - so - pressure off the players for the rest of the season!

[thebish]

A proper defensive coach costs money. Extra dosh we don't have. What we need is a rights issue, and flotation on the Dow Jones.

not as much as a player, though...

[Worthy4England]

Great. Except... We're going to be relegated again this season.

That's just short sighted and short termism. We could end up with more points after 10 games than we has after 10 last season*.





* I'm not holding my breath like...

[Lost Leopard Spot]

A proper defensive coach costs money. Extra dosh we don't have. What we need is a rights issue, and flotation on the Dow Jones.

not as much as a player, though...

True enough.

[BWFC_Insane]

what would I do? same as I said on the "what would you do" thread - I'd bring in a defensive coach to help dougie.

Interesting idea.

Personally I don't think it would help. But feck it I'm out of good ideas!

[Lord Kangana]

Great. Except... We're going to be relegated again this season.

That's just short sighted and short termism. We could end up with more points after 10 games than we has after 10 last season*.





* I'm not holding my breath like...

What are the parameters for this, win the next three games?

[Worthy4England]

Great. Except... We're going to be relegated again this season.

That's just short sighted and short termism. We could end up with more points after 10 games than we has after 10 last season*.





* I'm not holding my breath like...

What are the parameters for this, win the next three games?

Broadly speaking, adjusting all the parameters necessary to undertake such an evaluation - yes.

[Lord Kangana]

Spearman's Rank Correlation at all?

[jimbo]

Can anyone who ever said anything along the lines of 'I don't mind us being relegated. It'll be fun in the championship' please just feck off? This is bloody miserable. We're watching shit players playing shit football and getting worried about a trip to bloody Brighton

[Wandering Willy]

Great. Except... We're going to be relegated again this season.

That's just short sighted and short termism. We could end up with more points after 10 games than we has after 10 last season*.

* I'm not holding my breath like...

I've counted my stock of internet pies and I have some spare to wager.

[Ianmooreslovechild]

what would I do? same as I said on the "what would you do" thread - I'd bring in a defensive coach to help dougie.

Interesting idea.

Personally I don't think it would help. But feck it I'm out of good ideas!

I think most people are ,beyond picking a striker who appears to have some belief still. I dont see how defensive coaching would make the sort of individual errors or switching off disappear just as I cant see a striking coach transforming players who dont believe they are going to hit the target. A lot of it seems to be in the head with these players, do we have the sports psychologists on hand like sam used to have?. Hard to gain confidence without results so we need a break and a win and quick.

Beyond that if anything the team still needs a leader,someone able to galvanie organise and give a feck. Spearing works hard but is too young to command the required respect,Knight well that was a bizarre idea making him captain,the feckless tool has always been a sleepwalker. The same inherant issue as we had under coyle remains, no leaders,a lack of belief and worst of all the sense that to a number of players it doesnt really matter.

That said a quality centre half would make a world of difference as would a striker who believes and needs to score goals.

Like a lot of people I just dont see changing manager helping.Pulis might do a job,afterall he essentially took Allardyces blueprint and made it work at stoke.Do people really want that and realistically what could he change. Very little room for manouvre with personnel and would he really be able to instill discipline and mental strength in players who just dont seem to possess those qualities. May aswell stick with Dougie and stay behind the team. He's made slow starts beforeand I still believe things will come good.Blind faith I know!