Today I'm neither Angry nor Happy about....

[Prufrock]

It wasn't to PREVENT it, but to make it unnecessary. To actively encourage people who didn't want to integrate.

I'm highly delighted if the reality is that most are not operating that way, but it may just be that in professional offices you aren't meeting the ones that are failing to integrate. Just a thought.

Yeah that's definitely possible. Though I'm not sure you're particularly likely to come across them in the Welsh hills either though tbf .

I've no doubt there are some muslims out there with hardline views who have failed to integrate. I haven't spent much time with many of them, but maybe that's because there aren't very many of them! I think they're a ludicrously small proportion, who get a massively disproportionate amount of press. They're this issue's benefit cheats. I'm met a lot of muslims, some through work, some through uni, some through playing football, some through coaching football, and I've never met a single one I thought had 'failed to integrate'. Some were more integrated than others, but I've never met anyone who fits the aggressive resentful hateful of the infidel stereotype. They may exist, but there aren't many of them. They're just normal people, some are outgoing, some are annoying, some are arses, who just have some different customs. It's all fine. The ones who don't drink at our gaffe ask us what it's like and why we do it when we are always whinging about being hungover .

Will do a straw poll tomorrow to see what their views on the stun vs non-stun are.

[bobo the clown]

I live on the flat bits, sonny-boy. The bits which are really English& I have NO intention of integrating.

Take a trip round Bolton centre these days and it's vastly different than I recall it.

Anyway, as Worthy rightly points out I DO try to avoid the politics bits. Basically coz everyone else is such an arse and fails to agree with me.

[Worthy4England]

I live on the flat bits, sonny-boy. The bits which are really English& I have NO intention of integrating.

Take a trip round Bolton centre these days and it's vastly different than I recall it.

Anyway, as Worthy rightly points out I DO try to avoid the politics bits. Basically coz everyone else is such an arse and fails to agree with me.

You've clearly failed to integrate in the last 50 years. I blame Alex Douglas Home's 1964 government.

[bobo the clown]

↑↑↑ Wilson it was. He was useless.

[Bruce Rioja]

God wouldn't insist that primitive rules and customs from times B.C would be observed three thousand years later in the same barbaric way they were in the time of the Old Testament (if he ever intended that in the first place anyway) . That isn't religion, it's outdated tradition.

I think you'll find that it IS religion, it just doesn't suit your version of it.

[TANGODANCER]

God wouldn't insist that primitive rules and customs from times B.C would be observed three thousand years later in the same barbaric way they were in the time of the Old Testament (if he ever intended that in the first place anyway) . That isn't religion, it's outdated tradition.

I think you'll find that it IS religion, it just doesn't suit your version of it.

Isn't that what I said, the opinion I expressed, or didn't you read the rest of the post?

[Bruce Rioja]

God wouldn't insist that primitive rules and customs from times B.C would be observed three thousand years later in the same barbaric way they were in the time of the Old Testament (if he ever intended that in the first place anyway) . That isn't religion, it's outdated tradition.

I think you'll find that it IS religion, it just doesn't suit your version of it.

Isn't that what I said, the opinion I expressed, or didn't you read the rest of the post?

Yes. That's why I made that very remark. Or didn't you understand it?

[Worthy4England]

↑↑↑ Wilson it was. He was useless.

Only if you were born after October.

[bobo the clown]

In October.

But Wilson was useless, nonetheless. Living proof that you shouldn't let 'socialists' have the keys to the safe.

[Worthy4England]

In October.

But Wilson was useless, nonetheless. Living proof that you shouldn't let 'socialists' have the keys to the safe.

But we're not doing politics on this thread, now are we?

And it's agreed that Socialists shouldn't have the keys to the safe, unlike the Capitalist bankers, who put lots of toxic assets into the safe making it appear really full.

[bobo the clown]

I withdraw. He was a fine man and the model of fiscal control.

[Worthy4England]

I didn't suggest that he was a model of fiscal control, just pointing out that actually stupidity manages to span more than political inclinations.

[Prufrock]

http://m.theweek.com/article.php?id=257915" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.

Interesting article on 'outrage porn'.

[William the White]

I live on the flat bits, sonny-boy. The bits which are really English& I have NO intention of integrating.

Take a trip round Bolton centre these days and it's vastly different than I recall it.

Anyway, as Worthy rightly points out I DO try to avoid the politics bits. Basically coz everyone else is such an arse and fails to agree with me.

In some ways, yes. but some customs endure admirably.

Between 12.00 and 2.00 everybody still carries a pastie.

[Bruce Rioja]

FCPA Compliance Training this afternoon. So that's basically don't go around bribing people then? Three men have flown 3,000 miles apiece to deliver that fecking nugget have they?

[Worthy4England]

FCPA Compliance Training this afternoon. So that's basically don't go around bribing people then? Three men have flown 3,000 miles apiece to deliver that fecking nugget have they?

Do they not have a website in your gaff? We get to do this annually, but they just launch it on the intranet. The threshold's for what you can and can't do, are getting very small. At this rate. we're going to have to invest in brown paper envelopes.

[Bruce Rioja]

FCPA Compliance Training this afternoon. So that's basically don't go around bribing people then? Three men have flown 3,000 miles apiece to deliver that fecking nugget have they?

Do they not have a website in your gaff? We get to do this annually, but they just launch it on the intranet. The threshold's for what you can and can't do, are getting very small. At this rate. we're going to have to invest in brown paper envelopes.

Yes, of course, but we're not hooked-up to the Yanks intranet yet. To be fair it's all as much a meet and greet in these early stages, but ultimately no-one having an opportunity to say 'I didn't know that' as an excuse for owt.

[bobo the clown]

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Exactly that Bruce. So, when someone is accused of breaking one of the ethical codes the employeewon't be able to say they didn't know about it. Simple as that.

Welcome to America.

[Worthy4England]

I knew that bit, I'm often involved in our Merger and Acquisitions n stuff. Not sure I'd send 3 people, 3,000 miles just to do that bit though. They'd be doing a few other things too.

[Bruce Rioja]

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Exactly that Bruce. So, when someone is accused of breaking one of the ethical codes the employeewon't be able to say they didn't know about it. Simple as that.

Welcome to America.

Cheers, but I know this. It was my point.