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Re: Next Up - Freeman's Replacement

Post by LeverEnd » Mon Oct 06, 2014 6:39 pm

SmokinFrazier wrote:If Phil Brown got the job, I wouldn't attend a game until he got sacked. Not only is he a terrible manager but he's an arrogant, egotistical bully too and I'd hate him to be anywhere near our club again unless Andy Todd is locked in the same room as him. I'd genuinely rather have Coyle back or have stuck with Freedman than go with Brown.
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Re: Next Up - Freeman's Replacement

Post by EverSoYouri » Mon Oct 06, 2014 6:42 pm

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LeverEnd wrote:Question is will the Bolton Coroners Office require compensation when we go for Mixu Paatelainen?
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Re: Next Up - Freeman's Replacement

Post by Worthy4England » Mon Oct 06, 2014 6:43 pm

Oracle update...

Seems to think Mixu and Mowbray not in the frame. Seems to be narrowing it down to:

Mackay
Lennon
Clarke
Hughton

Whilst understanding the reservations people have about MacKay and Lennon (I too have some reservations about both). And Clarke hasn't actually been "at it" that long as a Manager...I could probably just about live with any of the four (if indeed it's from that four that we're going to pick)

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Re: Next Up - Freeman's Replacement

Post by freeindeed » Mon Oct 06, 2014 6:44 pm

I would also go for Lennon, otherwise I think Garry Flitcroft has a lot of potential.

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Re: Next Up - Freeman's Replacement

Post by EverSoYouri » Mon Oct 06, 2014 6:45 pm

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bobo the clown wrote:I have to say, & with full knowledge that I have no knowledge of the guy, but Andy Hughes taking the reigns on Saturday and the subsequent press and interviews he looks like a man for the future. Very mature & level headed even if he is inevitably very short term.
We were saying that. Had an air of Rioch about him.

Yep. Not sure whether that speaks to 'keep him here' or encourage him to find a job in management asap? (So we can tag him as our next manager after whoever lands in the next fortnight).

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Re: Next Up - Freeman's Replacement

Post by SmokinFrazier » Mon Oct 06, 2014 6:46 pm

Bruce Rioja wrote:
SmokinFrazier wrote:If Phil Brown got the job, I wouldn't attend a game until he got sacked. Not only is he a terrible manager but he's an arrogant, egotistical bully too and I'd hate him to be anywhere near our club again unless Andy Todd is locked in the same room as him. I'd genuinely rather have Coyle back or have stuck with Freedman than go with Brown.
Well, I wouldn't stop going, but that's exactly where I am with Phil Brown
Yeah, I can understand that most people will be a bit puzzled by the extremity of my dislike for Brown, but it's because I personally know he's a bully. I've got no time for him at all, he's scum and I don't want him involved in Bolton again.

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Re: Next Up - Freeman's Replacement

Post by Prufrock » Mon Oct 06, 2014 6:48 pm

Worthy4England wrote:Oracle update...

Seems to think Mixu and Mowbray not in the frame. Seems to be narrowing it down to:

Mackay
Lennon
Clarke
Hughton

Whilst understanding the reservations people have about MacKay and Lennon (I too have some reservations about both). And Clarke hasn't actually been "at it" that long as a Manager...I could probably just about live with any of the four (if indeed it's from that four that we're going to pick)
Lennon
Clarke
Hughton


Mackay

in order for me.

Happy with any of the first three. My worry about both Clarke and Hughton is they had reputations at West Brom and Norwich for being too safety first, though I suppose both could argue that was the nature of their club in the Prem. Don't remember seeing much of Hughton's brum (though know he gave youth a chance, mainly through necessity) or his Newcastle. Clarke well into the Sports Science jazz too which is a plus for me.
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Re: Next Up - Freeman's Replacement

Post by jaffka » Mon Oct 06, 2014 6:50 pm

SmokinFrazier wrote:
Bruce Rioja wrote:
SmokinFrazier wrote:If Phil Brown got the job, I wouldn't attend a game until he got sacked. Not only is he a terrible manager but he's an arrogant, egotistical bully too and I'd hate him to be anywhere near our club again unless Andy Todd is locked in the same room as him. I'd genuinely rather have Coyle back or have stuck with Freedman than go with Brown.
Well, I wouldn't stop going, but that's exactly where I am with Phil Brown
Yeah, I can understand that most people will be a bit puzzled by the extremity of my dislike for Brown, but it's because I personally know he's a bully. I've got no time for him at all, he's scum and I don't want him involved in Bolton again.
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Re: Next Up - Freeman's Replacement

Post by Peter Thompson » Mon Oct 06, 2014 6:51 pm

Worthy4England wrote:Oracle update...

Seems to think Mixu and Mowbray not in the frame. Seems to be narrowing it down to:

Mackay
Lennon
Clarke
Hughton

Whilst understanding the reservations people have about MacKay and Lennon (I too have some reservations about both). And Clarke hasn't actually been "at it" that long as a Manager...I could probably just about live with any of the four (if indeed it's from that four that we're going to pick)
I'd settle for any of those or Mowbray, in fact any of those would probably tempt me back to the Macron.

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Re: Next Up - Freeman's Replacement

Post by SmokinFrazier » Mon Oct 06, 2014 6:54 pm

Worthy4England wrote:Oracle update...

Seems to think Mixu and Mowbray not in the frame. Seems to be narrowing it down to:

Mackay
Lennon
Clarke
Hughton

Whilst understanding the reservations people have about MacKay and Lennon (I too have some reservations about both). And Clarke hasn't actually been "at it" that long as a Manager...I could probably just about live with any of the four (if indeed it's from that four that we're going to pick)
That's an impressive shortlist.

Lennon is an interesting candidate. I think it'd work in the short term because he's developed a really good reputation after his work with Celtic, particularly in Europe, so bringing in someone highly thought of would surely lift the mood of the players and fans. I'm not sure about him as a manager though. Winning the title in Scotland doesn't say a lot but the players seemed to like him a lot and he did exceed expectations in Europe, so maybe he is a good manager? He's unproven in a tough job like ours but he's done enough to warrant a chance.

I'd be optimistic for our future if we got any of those four though.

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Re: Next Up - Freeman's Replacement

Post by Worthy4England » Mon Oct 06, 2014 6:55 pm

Peter Thompson wrote:
Worthy4England wrote:Oracle update...

Seems to think Mixu and Mowbray not in the frame. Seems to be narrowing it down to:

Mackay
Lennon
Clarke
Hughton

Whilst understanding the reservations people have about MacKay and Lennon (I too have some reservations about both). And Clarke hasn't actually been "at it" that long as a Manager...I could probably just about live with any of the four (if indeed it's from that four that we're going to pick)
I'd settle for any of those or Mowbray, in fact any of those would probably tempt me back to the Macron.
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Re: Next Up - Freeman's Replacement

Post by bobo the clown » Mon Oct 06, 2014 7:26 pm

I'd pay good money to see Lenton watch Trotter in training !!

I doubt we'd get the chance to see him playing for him.
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Re: Next Up - Freeman's Replacement

Post by thebish » Mon Oct 06, 2014 7:27 pm

bobo the clown wrote:I'd pay good money to see Lenton watch Trotter in training !!
:conf: I just don't understand Bobo - swahili?? - can someone translate??? :wink:

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Post by Prufrock » Mon Oct 06, 2014 7:29 pm

Rob Lainton has left :conf:
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Re: Next Up - Freeman's Replacement

Post by jaffka » Mon Oct 06, 2014 7:33 pm

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bobo the clown wrote:I'd pay good money to see Lenton watch Trotter in training !!
:conf: I just don't understand Bobo - swahili?? - can someone translate??? :wink:
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Re: Next Up - Freeman's Replacement

Post by Harry Genshaw » Mon Oct 06, 2014 7:54 pm

That would be a great short list if it's accurate.

Don't bet against another one from left field by our Phil though. Some useless git who shares the same agent. Appleton probably :(
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Re: Next Up - Freeman's Replacement

Post by Worthy4England » Mon Oct 06, 2014 7:59 pm

Harry Genshaw wrote:That would be a great short list if it's accurate.

Don't bet against another one from left field by our Phil though. Some useless git who shares the same agent. Appleton probably :(
How very dare you (or Phil for that matter)? This is a list from the Oracle...

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Post by Harry Genshaw » Mon Oct 06, 2014 8:03 pm

Worthy4England wrote:
Harry Genshaw wrote:That would be a great short list if it's accurate.

Don't bet against another one from left field by our Phil though. Some useless git who shares the same agent. Appleton probably :(
How very dare you (or Phil for that matter)? This is a list from the Oracle...
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Re: Next Up - Freeman's Replacement

Post by Tombwfc » Mon Oct 06, 2014 8:08 pm

Of the Nixon four...

Malky Mackay - Did a good job in difficult circumstances at Cardiff and took them up playing really good football. I don't believe him to be a racist and I do believe that it's accepted he only actually sent two of them (with the others sent to him by Moody).

Regardless of that, the whole affair made him look (at best) an unfunny, laddish oaf. At a time when the club is already divided, do we need his baggage? I think before we even approached him Gartside would need to gauge the opinion of the players to get their opinions and if they could work with him. Even then, would it put players off signing for us?

Beyond that, he did sign some right shite when Cardiff went up and had the luxury of a decent amount of money to get them there in the first place. That's not a huge issue as no-one is expecting him to take us up, but it's worth noting that his record at Watford (without money) is almost identical to Dougie's here.

Chris Hughton - Probably the smart choice. Decent (but not extensive) experience of the Championship where he did what was necessary with Newcastle and a very good job at Birmingham. Also seems a thoroughly decent man who knows the game.

I wasn't bowled over by him at Norwich though. I know it's tough gig trying to keep them up, but the signings looked haphazard and I'm not sure how inspirational I'd find him.

Neil Lennon - Despite explicitly not having what I wanted from the new manager (Championship experience), I'm coming round to this. The SPL might be a pub league, but he won it well and performed minor miracles in the Champions League by getting them through the group stage and beating Barcelona, all of it on a fraction of what other Champions League clubs were spending.

I think he's the type of character players would respond to. Regardless of what he has or hasn't achieved, he's a big name and would be seen as a coup for us. If from the outset the players (both those at the club and anyone were trying to sign) believe we have a manager who is going places and can get the best out of them, that's half the job done.

Steve Clarke - Is undoubtedly a good coach and did pretty well at West Brom for my money. Would be another who is inexperienced and I would worry about his ability to turn it around if things did start to spiral downwards. On the other hand, he's got a point to prove and has been coaching at the top level for 16 years.

I'd go Lennon, Hughton, Clarke, Mackay. But all >>>>>>> Dougie.

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Re: Next Up - Freeman's Replacement

Post by bobo the clown » Mon Oct 06, 2014 8:33 pm

Mackay was the guy whose chasing of Sordell got Coyle in a lather and dash to buy him.

Just saying.
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