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Re: The Debt.

Post by Lost Leopard Spot » Wed Dec 16, 2015 12:30 pm

^ Aye, me now understand what you were saying. (Thanks).

on another front, almost literally: Euxton being annexed to Preston?
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Re: The Debt.

Post by Harry Genshaw » Wed Dec 16, 2015 12:30 pm

Bruce Rioja wrote:
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Gudnib wrote:Anyway a bit of good news. Money has been sourced to pay the staff this month. :)
Where from? how? who's the story source?
Source? - Mark Iles Bolton News.
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Re: The Debt.

Post by boltonboris » Wed Dec 16, 2015 12:34 pm

Aye, they fell out with the council, when they supposedly threatened to spread some shit after getting planning permission initially turned down for the office developments

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Re: The Debt.

Post by Harry Genshaw » Wed Dec 16, 2015 12:41 pm

I'm desperately sorry for the club staff if they don't get paid but I cant see me shedding any tears if the whole first team weren't paid and exercised their right and left next month. I'm not sure who'd play for us but it's better than paying a good half a dozen useless lumps for 6 more months who'll be out of contract in Summer anyway.
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Re: The Debt.

Post by plymouth wanderer » Wed Dec 16, 2015 12:50 pm

Preston looking at buying the training ground? probably bullshit! mind its not like we need it
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Post by Lost Leopard Spot » Wed Dec 16, 2015 12:54 pm

plymouth wanderer wrote:Preston looking at buying the training ground? probably bullshit! mind its not like we need it
Heard the same. Must be worth well in excess of what we need presently (wages, running costs). Although Lostock could accomodate training sessions surely?
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Re: The Debt.

Post by plymouth wanderer » Wed Dec 16, 2015 1:05 pm

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plymouth wanderer wrote:Preston looking at buying the training ground? probably bullshit! mind its not like we need it
Heard the same. Must be worth well in excess of what we need presently (wages, running costs). Although Lostock could accomodate training sessions surely?
This is it! I'd sell both as I don't think the players get anything from the training ground! a shared copy of Fifa 16 would suffice, certainly alot cheaper.
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Re: The Debt.

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plymouth wanderer wrote:Preston looking at buying the training ground? probably bullshit! mind its not like we need it
Heard the same. Must be worth well in excess of what we need presently (wages, running costs). Although Lostock could accomodate training sessions surely?
Euxton, I'd have thought, will be prime housing/building land. I imagine it'd bring in a lot more per hectare if sold to Wainhomes rather than to another football club.
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Re: The Debt.

Post by Lost Leopard Spot » Wed Dec 16, 2015 1:26 pm

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plymouth wanderer wrote:Preston looking at buying the training ground? probably bullshit! mind its not like we need it
Heard the same. Must be worth well in excess of what we need presently (wages, running costs). Although Lostock could accomodate training sessions surely?
Euxton, I'd have thought, will be prime housing/building land. I imagine it'd bring in a lot more per hectare if sold to Wainhomes rather than to another football club.
I don't think there's planning permission on it for housing. It's been a sports ground for ages, well before the war and was farming land before that. I've been doing a bit of tinternet searching on it and discovered an ancient article on LOVS from a few years back that valued its sale to Preston at £75million!!!! - that'd keep us in the sort of debt we're accustomed to for years.
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Post by thebish » Wed Dec 16, 2015 1:35 pm

as I've aid before - despite BWFC_I's reluctance to trust him - glad to have Birch on board - he knows what he's doing - certainly glad to have in on our side pissing out!!

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Post by Gudnib » Wed Dec 16, 2015 1:37 pm

Preston's owner is mega rich property investor, Trevor Hemmings. Lives on the Isle of Man like Eddie who may now be the poorest Championship club owner as a result of the money he's pumped into BWFC

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Re: The Debt.

Post by plymouth wanderer » Wed Dec 16, 2015 1:41 pm

thebish wrote:as I've aid before - despite BWFC_I's reluctance to trust him - glad to have Birch on board - he knows what he's doing - certainly glad to have in on our side pissing out!!

True, 10 years to fvcking late though :wink:
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Re: The Debt.

Post by Bruce Rioja » Wed Dec 16, 2015 1:45 pm

Lost Leopard Spot wrote:
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plymouth wanderer wrote:Preston looking at buying the training ground? probably bullshit! mind its not like we need it
Heard the same. Must be worth well in excess of what we need presently (wages, running costs). Although Lostock could accomodate training sessions surely?
Euxton, I'd have thought, will be prime housing/building land. I imagine it'd bring in a lot more per hectare if sold to Wainhomes rather than to another football club.
I don't think there's planning permission on it for housing. It's been a sports ground for ages, well before the war and was farming land before that. I've been doing a bit of tinternet searching on it and discovered an ancient article on LOVS from a few years back that valued its sale to Preston at £75million!!!! - that'd keep us in the sort of debt we're accustomed to for years.
Indeed, I've played there a few times when it was owned by Royal Ordanance. I'm just thinking that there's been that much house building going on up there with that Buckshaw Village and whatnot we might get planning permission for a few dwellings.
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Post by thebish » Wed Dec 16, 2015 1:46 pm

plymouth wanderer wrote:
thebish wrote:as I've aid before - despite BWFC_I's reluctance to trust him - glad to have Birch on board - he knows what he's doing - certainly glad to have in on our side pissing out!!

True, 10 years to fvcking late though :wink:
a bit like your transfer thread!! :wink:

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Post by Gudnib » Wed Dec 16, 2015 1:55 pm

Bruce Rioja wrote:
Lost Leopard Spot wrote:
Bruce Rioja wrote:
Lost Leopard Spot wrote:
plymouth wanderer wrote:Preston looking at buying the training ground? probably bullshit! mind its not like we need it
Heard the same. Must be worth well in excess of what we need presently (wages, running costs). Although Lostock could accomodate training sessions surely?
Euxton, I'd have thought, will be prime housing/building land. I imagine it'd bring in a lot more per hectare if sold to Wainhomes rather than to another football club.
I don't think there's planning permission on it for housing. It's been a sports ground for ages, well before the war and was farming land before that. I've been doing a bit of tinternet searching on it and discovered an ancient article on LOVS from a few years back that valued its sale to Preston at £75million!!!! - that'd keep us in the sort of debt we're accustomed to for years.
Indeed, I've played there a few times when it was owned by Royal Ordanance. I'm just thinking that there's been that much house building going on up there with that Buckshaw Village and whatnot we might get planning permission for a few dwellings.
I've played there too but guess who Trevor Hemmings Dad worked for - Royal Ordnance in Leyland.

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Re: The Debt.

Post by Lost Leopard Spot » Wed Dec 16, 2015 1:57 pm

Bruce Rioja wrote:
Lost Leopard Spot wrote:
Bruce Rioja wrote:
Lost Leopard Spot wrote:
plymouth wanderer wrote:Preston looking at buying the training ground? probably bullshit! mind its not like we need it
Heard the same. Must be worth well in excess of what we need presently (wages, running costs). Although Lostock could accomodate training sessions surely?
Euxton, I'd have thought, will be prime housing/building land. I imagine it'd bring in a lot more per hectare if sold to Wainhomes rather than to another football club.
I don't think there's planning permission on it for housing. It's been a sports ground for ages, well before the war and was farming land before that. I've been doing a bit of tinternet searching on it and discovered an ancient article on LOVS from a few years back that valued its sale to Preston at £75million!!!! - that'd keep us in the sort of debt we're accustomed to for years.
Indeed, I've played there a few times when it was owned by Royal Ordanance. I'm just thinking that there's been that much house building going on up there with that Buckshaw Village and whatnot we might get planning permission for a few dwellings.
Fxckin'ell, we don't need Trevor Birch, what we need is an accident, a two-for-one deal. I can see the headlines in the BN next week:
Tragedy Strikes At Trotters Training Ground - a forgotten cache of unexploded ordnance blew up this Wednesday just as the first team squad were warming up. the tragic loss of 'Goal Machine' Madine, Dobbin, and Heskey are being mourned by the fans. BWFC announced a week of mourning and black arm bands will be in evidence at the Fulham match. a spokesman for Trevor Birch said "coincidentally and fortunately we took out massive life insurance on all our players just last week".
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Re: The Debt.

Post by BWFC_Insane » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:15 pm

Harry Genshaw wrote:I'm desperately sorry for the club staff if they don't get paid but I cant see me shedding any tears if the whole first team weren't paid and exercised their right and left next month. I'm not sure who'd play for us but it's better than paying a good half a dozen useless lumps for 6 more months who'll be out of contract in Summer anyway.
Iles and Nixon in agreement that if players aren't paid it is disastrous. Presumably because the value of your assets drops very low if you playing assets are no longer contracted to you.

You can't pay some and not others, so ALL players, young, first team etc would be within their rights to leave with 2 weeks notice. Would you really want that situation to inherit if you were a new owner?

What if it got to the point we couldn't fulfill fixtures? Expulsion from the football league probably.

As much as I share the sentiment, practically we HAVE to pay the players if we want any chance of the club resurrecting itself.

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Post by plymouth wanderer » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:22 pm

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Harry Genshaw wrote:I'm desperately sorry for the club staff if they don't get paid but I cant see me shedding any tears if the whole first team weren't paid and exercised their right and left next month. I'm not sure who'd play for us but it's better than paying a good half a dozen useless lumps for 6 more months who'll be out of contract in Summer anyway.
Iles and Nixon in agreement that if players aren't paid it is disastrous. Presumably because the value of your assets drops very low if you playing assets are no longer contracted to you.

You can't pay some and not others, so ALL players, young, first team etc would be within their rights to leave with 2 weeks notice. Would you really want that situation to inherit if you were a new owner?

What if it got to the point we couldn't fulfill fixtures? Expulsion from the football league probably.

As much as I share the sentiment, practically we HAVE to pay the players if we want any chance of the club resurrecting itself.

If most of the first team up and fvcked off( sounds good) we'd be fine surely? as paying the u21s would be a doddle as there on peanuts compared to the so called professionals?
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Post by BWFC_Insane » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:29 pm

plymouth wanderer wrote:
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Harry Genshaw wrote:I'm desperately sorry for the club staff if they don't get paid but I cant see me shedding any tears if the whole first team weren't paid and exercised their right and left next month. I'm not sure who'd play for us but it's better than paying a good half a dozen useless lumps for 6 more months who'll be out of contract in Summer anyway.
Iles and Nixon in agreement that if players aren't paid it is disastrous. Presumably because the value of your assets drops very low if you playing assets are no longer contracted to you.

You can't pay some and not others, so ALL players, young, first team etc would be within their rights to leave with 2 weeks notice. Would you really want that situation to inherit if you were a new owner?

What if it got to the point we couldn't fulfill fixtures? Expulsion from the football league probably.

As much as I share the sentiment, practically we HAVE to pay the players if we want any chance of the club resurrecting itself.

If most of the first team up and fvcked off( sounds good) we'd be fine surely? as paying the u21s would be a doddle as there on peanuts compared to the so called professionals?
I'm not sure you can selectively pay staff. So it is an all or nothing situation. If they aren't paid end of this month they can give two weeks and walk out for free.

Also as much as we know the issues we have with this group of players would you want to be trying to sell a business and have a major set of assets leave for nothing before said sale? Even if player values are low, they are still significant.

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Re: The Debt.

Post by bobo the clown » Wed Dec 16, 2015 3:11 pm

^^ Well, contractually, you should pay your staff, as per contract. So there won't be any "rules" about who you pay and who you don't.

However, you certainly COULD get away with paying some & not others. At least that way you'd not be in breach of contract to some of them.

Just ensure the ones you don't pay don't make up a group who could claim discrimination. We have no age (despite Emile), sex or disability people on the playing staff (avoiding any cheap jokes) .... but selecting a group of black or white; Muslim or Christians etc. not to pay wouldn't be wise.
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